The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[GratsTheat783]

Is Mint better than Ubuntu? I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop I had since it ran slowly and it seemed to make it run a bit faster, but someone told me that the company behind Ubuntu is untrustworthy (didn't specify) and was told by another that Mint is just better Ubuntu.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Shush you, I'm not the one making the argument that folks wanna be slaves. Your next line is: "zey gonna eat ze bugs and zey vill be happy"

Nigger, you gotta be trolling. You know what an analogy is right?

@GratsTheat783 as usual i didn't read all the other replies before posting. So i can only do an @

Anyway linux mint i think is what I would recommend overall. Especially if you are trying to avoid shitty soulless companies. It works just as well as ubuntu, and imo cinnamon is actually a much more solid desktop than gnome or kde, both can be a bit buggy. It also has a choice for my favorite desktop (i believe it does at least) xfce, which is slimmed down, and by far the most solidly made de I have tried. The only thing with it, is depending on what distro you use it can start out looking a bit ugly, though its easy to fix with just the gui settings manager.

 

[Rust Troony]

Is Mint better than Ubuntu? I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop I had since it ran slowly and it seemed to make it run a bit faster, but someone told me that the company behind Ubuntu is untrustworthy (didn't specify) and was told by another that Mint is just better Ubuntu.

Mint is Ubuntu based (Or Debian based if you use LMDE, which in my opinion is actually better) distribution that removes all of the shit that makes Ubuntu bad (Snaps, gnome, Canonical in general)

Ubuntu is made by Canonical, which is essentially diet coke microsoft. Says they love linux and open source, but then backs it up with retarded shit like snap.

Mint would run better on older laptops mostly due to the desktop environment change from gnome to cinnamon/mate/xfce. They are all a lot better than gnome in how light they are, with cinnamon being the most feature rich while being a little more heavy than the other alternative, it's also made by the linux mint team.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

Nigger, you gotta be trolling.

The pink triangle is the mark of the beast. Ignore all pink triangle users' posts.

 

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The pink triangle is the mark of the beast. Put all pink triangle users into an extermination camp.

Fixed that for you.

 

[TheDataHorder]

Does it work with nouveau drivers on ancient GPUs or will it use CPU rendering?

honesty it's a toss up. some very early n64 emulators had voodoo support (this was before directx or opengl) but so few people had 3d acceleration at that time, that most probably used cpu rendering and as such, most of the development probably went into it and not proper 3d acceleration.
it took a while before most had access to some sort of 3d acceleration on a home computer.

 

[cinematic psycopath]

i just got banned from unixporn discord for calling disgusting some low iq tranny sharing a "rice"

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

honesty it's a toss up. some very early n64 emulators had voodoo support (this was before directx or opengl) but so few people had 3d acceleration at that time, that most probably used cpu rendering and as such, most of the development probably went into it and not proper 3d acceleration.
it took a while before most had access to some sort of 3d acceleration on a home computer.

Looks like it should support it but the thing just fucking dies the second it tries to render anything

 

[Dante Alighieri]

i just got banned from unixporn discord for calling disgusting some low iq tranny sharing a "rice"

cool story bro

 

[TheDataHorder]

Looks like it should support it but the thing just fucking dies the second it tries to render anything

"supports it" doesn't always mean it works.
it looks like it's trying to do something relating to memory, like reading to writing, that it doesn't have access to but thinks it does.
I'm not a programer but even i know debugging memory issues is a nightmare. often requiring to run the program though some sort of complex debugger to try and figure out what it's trying to do in regards to memory access. there are videos online that show the process of how to do it but it's complex as shit.
you might be better off trying to get a different emulator running, because it's more or less game over at that point unless you're willing to go through debugging hell.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

I wish that RedHat forked Linux so that they can focus on their own faggot infested fork to be quite honest instead of pozzing Linux.

yiffos beat them to the punch

"supports it" doesn't always mean it works.
it looks like it's trying to do something relating to memory, like reading to writing, that it doesn't have access to but thinks it does.
I'm not a programer but even i know debugging memory issues is a nightmare. often requiring to run the program though some sort of complex debugger to try and figure out what it's trying to do in regards to memory access. there are videos online that show the process of how to do it but it's complex as shit.
you might be better off trying to get a different emulator running, because it's more or less game over at that point unless you're willing to go through debugging hell.

I fucking hate SIGSEGV errors on unix so much it's unreal. It only ever seems to happen with linux and I always wanted to understand why.
Normally, on windows it'd be a sign the program itself was programmed badly, but depending on the distro it just does or doesn't happen. On a system brave has no problem, on another it SIGSEGV's sometimes after a restart. The only fix I could find was to restart tthe computer if it happens because after it'd work correctly again.

Try it @Leaded Gasoline

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

you might be better off trying to get a different emulator running

They all use dependencies that need Rust so it's game over

Try it @Leaded Gasoline

Makes no difference

 

[unhealing wound]

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Looks like it should support it but the thing just fucking dies the second it tries to render anything

Did you try software rendering in the config (video.driver softfb)? It seems like its crashing trying to find the max texture size so OpenGL related.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

Did you try software rendering in the config (video.driver softfb)? It seems like its crashing trying to find the max texture size so OpenGL related.

Maybe I should try this on a clean install with safe configs

 

[Marvin]

Normally, on windows it'd be a sign the program itself was programmed badly, but depending on the distro it just does or doesn't happen. On a system brave has no problem, on another it SIGSEGV's sometimes after a restart. The only fix I could find was to restart tthe computer if it happens because after it'd work correctly again.

That's usually what it means on Linux too.

The situation you're describing with Brave is indeed an example of the program itself being programmed badly. Well, and/or modern web browsers are incredibly complex pieces of software. Somewhere it's trying to access a mangled or null pointer and getting blocked by the OS. That's the same thing as a segfault in windows and it does indeed indicate a programmer somewhere screwed up.

The reason you can't reproduce it consistently is because, again, browsers are massively complicated and they try to do all kinds of clever shit like save and reload the browser state to/from the hard drive every time you start it. Sometimes it tosses out these states and starts from scratch. Sometimes not everything gets serialized exactly the same way. There's also questions about how reliable these mechanisms are if they get interrupted in the middle by a segfault or something else.

So sometimes it'll segfault, sometimes it won't. It's technically supposed to be (mostly) deterministic because computers are (mostly) deterministic, but in practice, no one human being can trace every last logic path in the code and the fact that it ever works at all is a miracle.

It's all a crapshoot.

 

[std::string]

I fucking hate SIGSEGV errors on unix so much it's unreal. It only ever seems to happen with linux and I always wanted to understand why.
Normally, on windows it'd be a sign the program itself was programmed badly, but depending on the distro it just does or doesn't happen. On a system brave has no problem, on another it SIGSEGV's sometimes after a restart. The only fix I could find was to restart tthe computer if it happens because after it'd work correctly again.

Sounds like a hardware issue. You shouldn't be getting that many random segfaults.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

Sounds like a hardware issue. You shouldn't be getting that many random segfaults.

If this the case you can try checking via dmesg if a kernel module keeps crashing and why. Probably you can figure it out. @Wolfmanfur

 

[Dread First]

Is Mint better than Ubuntu? I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop I had since it ran slowly and it seemed to make it run a bit faster, but someone told me that the company behind Ubuntu is untrustworthy (didn't specify) and was told by another that Mint is just better Ubuntu.

@Rust Troony already touched upon the core points, and I do agree that LMDE is the better version.

Having said that, I would like to add more. Specifically with respect to how Linux Mint handles changes from upstream Ubuntu. The Linux Mint team generally does a good job of patching up whatever Ubuntu release they're building from, including coming up with alternatives to whatever unpopular decision Canonical Ltd makes. They created the Cinnamon desktop environment as an alternative to GNOME Shell, they actively assist with maintaining MATE once some guy from Argentina forked it in 2011, and they're now responsible for maintaining the Ubuntu DEB port of Mozilla Thunderbird ever since Canonical Ltd made the decision to pivot over to Snaps.

Insofar as Canonical Ltd being untrustworthy is concerned: they most certainly are, though I'd like to point one thing out - literally every big ass corporation that actively dabbles in Linux, from Canonical on the Debian side of things to Red Hat, IBM, Novell, Microsoft, Oracle, among countless others, are equally untrustworthy. There's just a sliding scale of how much you're willing to tolerate their bullshit. I can sperg for hours about various corporate decisions that pissed off countless users, but still got imposed upon us anyway (i.e. Oracle buying out Sun Microsystems and shitcanning literally all the cool shit from OpenSolaris to OpenOffice.org in 2010, IBM buying out Red Hat in 2019 and then shitcanning CentOS while deliberately obfuscating means of accessing RHEL source code despite GPLv2 licensing requirements).

Canonical is generally predatory toward consumers, everyone else predatory toward enterprise customers. Caveat emptor and all that.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Anyone want some cringe?

 

[Meriasek]

And thus ends my nearly a year of giving Linux a chance. Many chances, actually. After I upgraded my computer sometime last year I decided to finally move over to Linux after several tries, and so I did. Decided on Ubuntu Studio for various reasons. Ran like shit, caused a lot of issues, but I stuck with it. Today I ran the upgrade to the newest LTS, and it completely broke the install, doesn't even go to try anymore.
And with this I abandon Linux once again because I'm too old for this shit, and because I want an operating system that works, and not one that I have to make work.
Back to Windows it is, and I also solemnly vow that I will unapologetically call every Ubuntu developer and contributor a double nigger until the end of time.
Thank you.