Halo MCC/Infinite/general Griefing thread - Six months, two maps, no refunds

What did you think of Infinite after the campaign showcase?

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The thing I remember most about Halo 4 other than the Prometheans being actual torture to fight is that one song on the Infinity level uses the same sample as Chronopolis from Chrono Cross
(24:40 since it wont play embedded)
Fun fact: This loop comes from a 90s sampling CD called Distorted Reality 2, this album alongside its first counterpart were used by every video game composer from both the east and west and their mothers back in the day. The Silent Hill 1&2 OSTs consists of almost unedited loops and sample from these two CDs for the most part. I only know this because some kid in a VGM sample finding discord server found it by sheer chance.
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The sample in question

The only good thing out of 343 era Halo was Halo wars 2 being an all around better game than Halo wars 1 in every way. 343 couldn't make a decent villain to save their lives and just took Creative Assembly's idea for Covenant 2.0/the Banished.

Genuinely a more fun adversary to fight than these autistic bionicle knockoffs that are based around abusing Invincibility Frames to the point where FGC retards would have an aneurysm if they cared about it, or Shangheli Al-Qaeda "the Storm Covenant".
Tbf, although HW2 was a step in the right direction on almost every way there were still some questionable art design choices like marine units looking more like the awful Starship Troopers reject uniform design from H4 than Ensemble's renditions in HW1 that actually look like the marines in H2 and H3 and that's not mentioning that the Mantis/Colossus units are essentially Metal Gears with a Halo coat of paint.

Plus having the Halo equivalent of "somehow Palpatine returned" with the Flood returning by having High Charity survive the destruction of Installation 04B (Even if that directly retcons half of the ending of H3's plot). Despite the fact that there were a lot of creative ways to bring back the Flood without having to give the middle finger to the original ending of the series.
 
Plus having the Halo equivalent of "somehow Palpatine returned" with the Flood returning by having High Charity survive the destruction of Installation 04B (Even if that directly retcons half of the ending of H3's plot). Despite the fact that there were a lot of creative ways to bring back the Flood without having to give the middle finger to the original ending of the series.
The Flood need to stay dead, you could bring them back in the most creative and original way possible and it would still suck because of how badly it negates Halo 3. The only direction I can even see new games going in is maybe something like a tactical shooter where you play as a Marine or ODST and you just fight in the Human Covenant War again. Fighting the insurrectionists would be interesting in theory but I would not have any faith in any studio to make it feel like Halo still without turning it into another COD clone.
 
Fun fact: This loop comes from a 90s sampling CD called Distorted Reality 2, this album alongside its first counterpart were used by every video game composer from both the east and west and their mothers back in the day. The Silent Hill 1&2 OSTs consists of almost unedited loops and sample from these two CDs for the most part. I only know this because some kid in a VGM sample finding discord server found it by sheer chance.
Oh I know all about it, I just didn't want to sperg in this thread about samples. I like to collect the old sample packs and piece things together, I know there is a wiki for it but I just do it for fun on my own.
 
The Flood need to stay dead, you could bring them back in the most creative and original way possible and it would still suck because of how badly it negates Halo 3. The only direction I can even see new games going in is maybe something like a tactical shooter where you play as a Marine or ODST and you just fight in the Human Covenant War again. Fighting the insurrectionists would be interesting in theory but I would not have any faith in any studio to make it feel like Halo still without turning it into another COD clone.
At this point, such things no longer matter. Halo has become bad capeshit, so it would follow trends from bad capeshit, like reviving dead bad guys for cheap tension.

I suppose you can explain it away by saying that Installation 04b was unfinished when it fired, and thus, it didn't fire properly and enough Flood remnants remained and grew.
 
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Since we're talking about the flood, rate me autistic but I cannot stand what 343 did with them in lore
correct me if i'm wrong and it's always been this way, but deciding to give them some backstory origins as the remnants of dead gods(precursors) that can rewrite reality and shit(neural physics) is just a slap in the face and ruins them, thought I was playing Halo which is meant to be grounded in some reality, not anime sci fi shit, it's not scary it's just retarded and feels out of place
Them as just a super intelligent parasite that no one knows who or what made them and what their capable of felt more ominous as did the entire lore of halo when everything was mysterious
I know this sounds random and autistic but it's always something that bothered me the most that I never hear ANYONE talk about negatively and I just cannot stand this modern writing trend of having to explain everything with no room for any sort of mystery
 
I know this sounds random and autistic but it's always something that bothered me the most that I never hear ANYONE talk about negatively and I just cannot stand this modern writing trend of having to explain everything with no room for any sort of mystery

It was better when Halo had that foreboding and ominous mystery to it and not every goddamn thing down to the last grain being contextualized. The Forerunners were human, 343 Guilty Spark and Gravemind were telling us the truth, and anything after the dissolution of the Covenant at the end of Halo 3 was followed up with miscellaneous conflict off-screen for all I care. The story was told, let the shitty fanfiction about whatever came after remain unheard of and unpaid for.
 
I'm still of the opinion 343 purposely undercut the Flood because they don't want them in the games anymore. Why? So they can be rated T.

In all honesty the Flood were never totally defeated. It's debatable if they CAN ever be totally defeated. Gravemind even pretty much says this at the end of 3.

Infinite would have been the perfect opportunity to bring them back since Installation 07 had pretty much become a Flood infested shithole with a bunch of proto-Graveminds on it. Instead that was swept under the rug so they could introduce yet another ancient alien donutsteel who they laughably tried claiming was more of a threat than the Flood, yet was defeated far more easily by the end of the same game.
 
In all honesty the Flood were never totally defeated. It's debatable if they CAN ever be totally defeated. Gravemind even pretty much says this at the end of 3.
Yea and that's what made them unnerving and ominous, their just a hard to kill, possibly even unkillable, super intelligent parasite that manages to survive through everything
343 coming in and saying their acskually the remnants of dead gods who at a certain point can warp reality itself and have space magic is just retarded and unnecessary
 
343I writing gets even more retarded the more you read into it.
>Humans are now a seperate race from the Forerunners
>Humans are now an ancient enemy of the Forerunners
>Humans are now the chosen successors of an ancient-er galactic empire
>Humans fed the petrified remains of the ancient galactic empire to their pets, creating the flood
>Humans while retreating from the flood get into conflict with the forerunners, despite already being aware of and hating humans because the ancient alien empire chose them as their successors over the forerunners which caused the forerunners to kill the ancient alien empire which caused them to turn themselves into petrified dust which the ancient humans then fed to their...
>Humans develop a cure/countermeasure to the flood but they don't use it because reasons
>Their are now 2 Didacts
>343GS survived getting lasered and is now running around in a promethean body with a quirky female sidekick
>The rookie from ODST gets killed by Mickey of all people
>Halo's 4, 5 and 6 have basically zero continuity with one another despite being sequels.

You would normally have to try to be this incompetent, but i have zero issue believing that 343 writers are fucking retarded
 
I had a nice long MATI rant about the current state of Halo. Just gonna keep it brief.

1. Get rid of 343 and all the grifters and mouthpieces. I don't mean stifling discussion. I mean the retards who just want to perpetually complain for years on end and flood youtube with video essays ending in "support me on patreon!". They are nothing but vultures and parasites on any community.

2.Make a spiritual successor to halo already. Why don't we have one? I don't fucking know but it sure must have something to do with discordfag gayops considering the only shit that gets collaboratively worked on these days seems to be either troon shit or some kind of "boomer shooter". When Halo CE came out at the tail end of that era in 2001. So therefore is also deserving of that level of autistic passion with brief cutscenes and a setting that takes itself seriously while leaving the inside jokes and memes to the audience like developers used to do. Discordfags are allergic to innovation and actively work to hold back the current state of gaming with constant organized cybercrime and grifting. Making retarded shitposts explode in popularity as a demoralization tactic.


3. Halo needs to go the way of half life for better or worse. Plenty of talented folks would be available to make interesting games for it. It was a cultural phenomenon that popularized online gaming and was truly a better time when people simply weren't feral niggers online to the extent where you get bots defending shitty business practices today and more concerned if a tree falls over and yells "NIGGER!" somewhere so they can ban them than actually doing anything productive.
 
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343I writing gets even more retarded the more you read into it.
>Humans are now a seperate race from the Forerunners
>Humans are now an ancient enemy of the Forerunners
>Humans are now the chosen successors of an ancient-er galactic empire
>Humans fed the petrified remains of the ancient galactic empire to their pets, creating the flood
>Humans while retreating from the flood get into conflict with the forerunners, despite already being aware of and hating humans because the ancient alien empire chose them as their successors over the forerunners which caused the forerunners to kill the ancient alien empire which caused them to turn themselves into petrified dust which the ancient humans then fed to their...
>Humans develop a cure/countermeasure to the flood but they don't use it because reasons
>Their are now 2 Didacts
>343GS survived getting lasered and is now running around in a promethean body with a quirky female sidekick
>The rookie from ODST gets killed by Mickey of all people
>Halo's 4, 5 and 6 have basically zero continuity with one another despite being sequels.

You would normally have to try to be this incompetent, but i have zero issue believing that 343 writers are fucking retarded
Most of this can be blamed on the bald faggot, Frank O'Conner, who was the franchise's development director at 343 until last year. Back when he worked at Bungie, he was one of the few people who wanted to make the Forerunners a separate race from humanity. Luckily, back then he had a low position in the company, but once Bungie and Microsoft separated, he was one of the few Bungie alumni left at 343 and, as such, got a high position in the company and was able to implement all of his retarded ideas into the story.
 
343I writing gets even more retarded the more you read into it.
>Humans are now a seperate race from the Forerunners
>Humans are now an ancient enemy of the Forerunners
>Humans are now the chosen successors of an ancient-er galactic empire
>Humans fed the petrified remains of the ancient galactic empire to their pets, creating the flood
>Humans while retreating from the flood get into conflict with the forerunners, despite already being aware of and hating humans because the ancient alien empire chose them as their successors over the forerunners which caused the forerunners to kill the ancient alien empire which caused them to turn themselves into petrified dust which the ancient humans then fed to their...
>Humans develop a cure/countermeasure to the flood but they don't use it because reasons
>Their are now 2 Didacts
>343GS survived getting lasered and is now running around in a promethean body with a quirky female sidekick
>The rookie from ODST gets killed by Mickey of all people
>Halo's 4, 5 and 6 have basically zero continuity with one another despite being sequels.

You would normally have to try to be this incompetent, but i have zero issue believing that 343 writers are fucking retarded
If anyone wants to see to how bad what was basically a paid janny with a grudge for his uppermen, C3 Sabertooth did a really good video regarding the mental gymnastics O'Connor did from as early as the Forerunner trilogy of books to justify the validity of his OCs. (Which were definitely not made at gunpoint so Frankie could "own" the people at Bungie that had actual talent at writing)
 
I had a nice long MATI rant about the current state of Halo. Just gonna keep it brief.

1. Get rid of 343 and all the grifters and mouthpieces. I don't mean stifling discussion. I mean the retards who just want to perpetually complain for years on end and flood youtube with video essays ending in "support me on patreon!". They are nothing but vultures and parasites on any community.

2.Make a spiritual successor to halo already. Why don't we have one? I don't fucking know but it sure must have something to do with discordfag gayops considering the only shit that gets collaboratively worked on these days seems to be either troon shit or some kind of "boomer shooter". When Halo CE came out at the tail end of that era in 2001. So therefore is also deserving of that level of autistic passion with brief cutscenes and a setting that takes itself seriously while leaving the inside jokes and memes to the audience like developers used to do. Discordfags are allergic to innovation and actively work to hold back the current state of gaming with constant organized cybercrime and grifting. Making retarded shitposts explode in popularity as a demoralization tactic.


3. Halo needs to go the way of half life for better or worse. Plenty of talented folks would be available to make interesting games for it. It was a cultural phenomenon that popularized online gaming and was truly a better time when people simply weren't feral niggers online to the extent where you get bots defending shitty business practices today and more concerned if a tree falls over and yells "NIGGER!" somewhere so they can ban them than actually doing anything productive.
the best case scenario for Halo would be a hard reboot, have the Master Chief,the Covenant,etc. re-tell the Human-Covenant War in a different light kind of like the FF7 Remake, also worth mentioning these grifters are just cancer and would complain regardless but it would be ultimately healthier for the series to just restart outside of making a spiritual successor to CE that doesn't involve the Halo IP at all.
 
I don't understand why people cheat in pvp games and tryhard like their family is on the line. Then play dumb and feign like they cant put any effort into playing PVE content. Its not going to make me stop playing a game I like, let alone grew up with, and I'm sure as hell not going to be giving you free advertisement or any money towards any agenda you're trying to force.
 
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the best case scenario for Halo would be a hard reboot, have the Master Chief,the Covenant,etc. re-tell the Human-Covenant War in a different light kind of like the FF7 Remake, also worth mentioning these grifters are just cancer and would complain regardless but it would be ultimately healthier for the series to just restart outside of making a spiritual successor to CE that doesn't involve the Halo IP at all.

Halo is an evergreen product until Microsoft decides they can't rely on Game Pass subscriptions to carry Xbox anymore, and they slowly exit the games industry. A hard reboot isn't going to have enough time to heal things over.
 
If anyone wants to see to how bad what was basically a paid janny with a grudge for his uppermen, C3 Sabertooth did a really good video regarding the mental gymnastics O'Connor did from as early as the Forerunner trilogy of books to justify the validity of his OCs. (Which were definitely not made at gunpoint so Frankie could "own" the people at Bungie that had actual talent at writing)
Another hour and a half long video essay made by some retard grifter on YouTube. Fascinating.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...-hugged-by-the-gravemind.815009/post-88990697

It's all cope and whatever talent existed in Bungie's writing it left after Halo 2. Because Halo 3 was a meandering piece of shit story wise. As was Reach their last game.
 
Another hour and a half long video essay made by some retard grifter on YouTube. Fascinating.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...-hugged-by-the-gravemind.815009/post-88990697

It's all cope and whatever talent existed in Bungie's writing it left after Halo 2. Because Halo 3 was a meandering piece of shit story wise. As was Reach their last game.
If you actually watched that video you would realize all the points in that post you linked are debunked in detail.
 
If you actually watched that video you would realize all the points in that post you linked are debunked in detail.
That guys arguments are not mine. But he links plenty of posts by other Bungie members who are not all Frankie who corroborate the general idea.

Also, humans being ancient Forerunners is gay as fuck. It's just a rip off of the cringiest aspect of the Stargate series. Every time the Ancients (Stargates ancient humans) appear on screen cringe ensues.
 
Also, humans being ancient Forerunners is gay as fuck.
How are they being another generic alien humanoid race not just as gay, if not gayer? Explicitly explaining it weakens the mystique of the forerunner irregardless. It's still far lamer that they repeatedly hint at humans being forerunner, and then shit all over it. The squidward faced aliens had no build up in Bungie Halo, and were simply dropped on the series in 4, if you kept to the games alone.
 
How are they being another generic alien humanoid race not just as gay, if not gayer? Explicitly explaining it weakens the mystique of the forerunner irregardless. It's still far lamer that they repeatedly hint at humans being forerunner, and then shit all over it. The squidward faced aliens had no build up in Bungie Halo, and were simply dropped on the series in 4, if you kept to the games alone.
If you want to use the "generic" and "iconic" arguments favored by low IQ grifting talking head YouTubers and redditors we'll end up spending the whole day pointing at everything shouting as such because in truth it's all been done before.

Now here's a personal opinion the HFY trope is ass which is eliminated with separate species. Humans being revealed as Forerunners and shattering the Covenant faith or humans being revealed only as inheritors of their legacy. It serves the same purpose narratively.

I could care less personally about Forerunner mystique. Even then pulling back the curtain for the sake of a damn good story is the only acceptable way to that kind of thing. And Greg Bear delivered. Three fantastic books. Some of my favorite fiction period.
 
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