Mexicans love pit bulls. They are arguably worse when it comes to pit bulls because they also have this habit of allowing their dogs to run wild around their neighborhoods. Mexico itself is FULL of packs of stray dogs. It’s dey culcha. They also procrastinate spaying and neutering, and are often the ones deciding it would be a good idea to get their family dog pregnant once or twice for fun and profit. Craigslist is full of Mexicans posting ads of their pit puppies in broken English.
Toad line Bullies in a nutshell:
“I wish there was a bully breed that couldn’t hurt anyone or overpower its owners so easily.”
*one finger curls up on the monkey’s paw*
Just spent a minute browsing this degenerate’s instagram. This isn’t even the original dog named Redrum, this is his “clone”. Idk if that is literal or just winning the small pooled genetic lottery with inbreeding.
Either way, dog can barely waddle. He’ll be dead in a year.
These toad line dogs glam photos always resemble a Fat Spider-Man climbing up a wall as viewed from the top of the wall. I’ll draw a picture later. Weird how actual breeders train their dogs to stand squared up so it’s easy to visualize their anatomy, and these “breeders” intentionally contort the animal so it looks like a bearded dragon mid-running for its publicity photos.
Another reason to not like the genetic abominations that are frenchies and bulldogs.
Screw tail (sometimes called corkscrew tail or ingrown tail) is a horrible condition we've bred into bulldogs, frenchies and other similar stub tail breeds.
Basically, the tail is so short and curled it is sort of ingrown into the back and doesn't really move much. It needs constant cleaning and if owners don't clean the tail enough then they can develop pus pockets with infection and fungus.
I think you could mod Crusader Kings to allow this, you just need to replace all of the character portrait features with those of shit bulls. The. You can inbreed CK3 chars to your hearts content and smash and slam them with giant trait or ugly trait or whatever until you get some barely human looking monstrosities.
Devon crowing about keeping Redrum from nirvana is absolutely 100% what it's expect from this crowd. Fuck the poor animal's spiritual growth or freedom from the misshapen flesh prison you caused him to be put in, just check it out guys, I cloned my dog and it's cool and it's going to make me rich as fuck. Also I cloned him twice.
Is this madman actually cloning his dog’s remains or is he just breeding its ancestors back together to get a dog that just looks like red rum and has a coefficient of inbreeding of near 100 (and therefore most likely genetically equivalent to red rum?)
AKC has been a disaster for dogkind. The desire for dogs you can show on conformation alone, rather than ability, degrades everything because trends and "unique-ness" factor into the decisions. How anyone can mental gymnastics themselves into thinking these animals have a good enough quality of life to select for these traits and therefore the breeding isn't unethical are insane. I'm sure there are a lot who aren't genuine about "caring" but some people out there really are stupid enough not to put two and two together.
It is complicated I think. AKC is one of the oldest and imo most ethical all-breed clubs, and these clubs serve a purpose. Dogs are all the same species and they're all alike enough to one another that you can crossbreed basically any dog against another, if you knew your stuff and really wanted to do some stupid crosses.
So since dogs are all so alike genetically, if you don’t have some authority of experienced people who decide what makes say, a Great Pyreenes different from a Saint Bernard, idiots will crossbreed the two and call them whatever they want until the breeds are basically lost and we’d be stuck with some Saint Pyrnard bullshit dog. (Which still happens all the time, but breeders can’t get AKC papers on such designer-dog crosses.) You can't add new individuals to the stud book unless they're descended from animals already in the book. That 'closed' stud book is helpful in ensuring that the breeds maintain what traits make them unique.
On the other hand, I do think the breed standard will tend to prioritize looks over animal health, and breeders get into a one-ups man ship race where they breed the snouts of Boston Terriers shorter and shorter until the dog has no snout, and so on. Then again, the purpose of showing and conformation is to identify the healthiest ones by awarding them prizes. That's why you can only show intact dogs in conformation events - the whole point is to identify good breed stock. The judges can be quite picky, and for the most part they're selecting for health, but sometimes they really are judging by looks. Judges are also looking for things like temperament, which matters A LOT. (Ask me about my mom's psychotic BYB yellow Labrador! She sucks!)
so is AKC helping or hurting? It depends. IMO breed standards need to be revised but the system has the possibility of being very helpful. I do think AKC is way better than it’s imitators, like AKBC (American bully kennel club) UKC (United kennel club) etc., which have more lenient requirements with regard to stud books, and induct new breeds as fast as idiots can hybridize them, before these stupid crosses even breed true to their ostensible phenotype… those breed clubs for sure make this all worse.
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I'm hoping that this is just some wierd AI or photoshop shit, but given the circumstances this is probably a real dog.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they started breeding them to have wierd looking eyes.
inb4, they breed them to have their eyes on the top of their forehead or some shit.
This is what happens when you breed a dog to have deep-inset eyes and then reduce the snout length to negligible. You get weird bug-eyed Bostons that look like lizards.
They're more like warm-blooded, mammalian lizards. According to the breeders their job is to bask on the couch with you and flop around with their bellies dragging the floor, which sounds more like beardies than dogs to me.
Quite frankly a BUNCH of the animals in this thread can't even do the deed. They need humans with artificial insemination technology to do that part for them. They're too messed up physically to mount/penetrate/complete copulation.
tbh I wonder how SMASHED AND SLAMMED affects the taste of the meat, not that I personally want to eat dogs, but iirc modern food chickens and turkeys and stuff are basically their own versions of monsters, and we eat those
OK first off: not all chickens. Or maybe yes, all chickens, but to a variable extent. Rhode Island Reds and Dominiques and other egg-laying breeds, plus the mixed-use meat-and-egg breeds tend to be healthier than birds bred solely for meat production like Cornish Crosses and Large White turkeys. That said, the meat birds don't live that long, once they've grown their hypertrophic muscles and whatever they get gone. 60 days from hatch to market weight is the turnaround for Cornish X broilers. So they're not suffering overmuch, they are bred to gain weight fast and efficiently, and then they get slaughtered. That's not quite as objectionable as a toadline dog that's bred to have a body that keeps it in pain constantly, and the object of ownership is to keep the dog alive.
So even once Bape (pbuh) does shuffle off to the great toadhole in the sky, they can still make smashed, slammed inbred monsters with his daughter out of his frozen sperm.
The stop is all fucked. Earlier in this post I was ranting about the stop on Saints vs. the stop on Pyrs. This is what happens when you cross your dog against one with a head that's totally against breed standard, you get these fucked up abomination doggies that just look WRONG.
This is a Chinese German shepherd. It is a mix between a German shepherd and a mastiff. You see China doing the opposite of toad line bullies and making huge dogs, for the same reason. It is a status symbol and shows how financially well off you are.
There is no discussion on it's back, it is solely size, and due to the mastiff it is blocky. The worse the breeding the uglier the dog.
GOD THAT FUCKING STOP. Do the chinks just NOT look at the breed standard, or even Google what a GSD looked like before they bred it? FML it looks like they crossed it to a Tibetan Mastiff just to avoid importing two GSDs
And yeah in China living space is at a premium so big dog -> status symbol, cause it implies you have a lot of space to keep it.
It's an infected uterus full of dead puppies and pus, a not too infrequent result of these cursed, unnatural surgical conceptions which require universal surgical births. Short bodied dogs with dwarfism mutations in general tend to have higher rates of reproductive issues but exotic bullies, being what they are, push all of the inherently bad/deviant aspects of basically every aspect of dog breeding and animal husbandry beyond the pale.
IIRC pyometra can happen to any kind of dog, though its a bit more common in the man-made horror dogs and the too-trendy-for-their-own-good set, like King Charles Spaniels and Berners. It's a known drawback (one of several) of keeping intact female dogs. Their uterus can just fuckoff one day and start developing a giant abscess and you won't know until the dog is dying of sepsis.
But in New England, at least when I was growing up there, the shelters were full of nice sheltie mixes and the odd Jack Russell. The shelter population in an area reflects the people living in that area and what dogs they have around.
I'm sorry to report that New England has fallen, and now the only dogs I can adopt from the Animal Rescue League are:
> various pibbles/Staffies/pit-on-pit mixes
> coonhounds bussed in from Tennessee and WV
> "lab mixes" that are probably 2/3rds pibble or more.
There's a few dogs that beat the odds, but there's usually some other issue with them, e.g., super old, behavioral problems, allergies n' health problems, blind/deaf etc.
Mexicans love pit bulls. They are arguably worse when it comes to pit bulls because they also have this habit of allowing their dogs to run wild around their neighborhoods. Mexico itself is FULL of packs of stray dogs. It’s dey culcha. They also procrastinate spaying and neutering, and are often the ones deciding it would be a good idea to get their family dog pregnant once or twice for fun and profit. Craigslist is full of Mexicans posting ads of their pit puppies in broken English.
Latinos are more tolerant of dogfighting, so its no accident these cholos choose pit bulls and not whatever Mexican Country Landrace Dog is to be found on the streets of Guerrero.
The lab’s name is Genevieve, which was already a mistake, because if you name your dog a name longer than one syllable you end up having to call it something else anyway, in this case, Gwen.
Gwen was the result of careless BYB. Her dam (mom) was so skittish and wary of people that the owners didn’t know she was pregnant. So the dam made a nest outside in the winter to deliver her pups, and as a result 6 of the 8 puppies froze to death shortly after birth. The two survivors were Gwen and a brother dog. I know nothing about her sire, and neither do the breeders, except that it was “probably” one of the intact male labs they own and not an interloper.
Gwen is skittish like her mom but she’s also aggressive. People who are afraid of the snarling yellow lab gin her up and Gwen is pretty game on attacking certain individuals. She’s not especially well socialized to other dogs, partly as a result of her own litter being wasted the way it was and only having the one sibling to learn from. She will fight and bite to avoid nail trims so the dog’s nails are wickedly sharp and she will claw you for attention to or beg for food. I hate it when she does that. Mom’s trained her to claw people for treats basically. Gwen aggros if you have an object she wants - I recall a day where we were putting down flattened cardboard to use as a weed cover on the footpath (we put mulch over top so it doesn’t look like the red neck solution it is.) Gwen wanted the cardboard and I was holding a big piece, and she was attacking me and tearing at the cardboard while I held it up like a shield, before running away backwards and letting Gwen keep her stupid prize.
The dog isn’t crate trained really. She will resist going into it. She also steals your shit (socks and shoes) and can tear them up if you don’t chase her down and bribe her with a “trade”. The dog has had a lot more training than mine but she doesn’t act like it - she’s a real high strung dog.
The dog wasn’t spayed for the first couple years of life and would go into false pregnancies after heat where she would resource guard stuffed toys like they were newborns and her tears would swell up, even though she hadn’t mated / was confined inside. My mom finally spayed her cause her behavior would be crazy for weeks after each heat cause of this.
Mostly I think it’s bad genetics. Super questionable to me that the breeders didn’t know Gwen’s mom was expecting. It should be really obvious! but it was a lot dog basically and idk I guess they just toss em food and fuck off without even a cursory inspection of the animals? Gwen is also not too well socialized with dogs or other people… mom blames the pandemic for this, but I’m not so sure.
My mother is also hesitant to let me bring my 16 month old to her home to visit because of Gwen. Mom tried to get a cat and Gwen nearly killed it. It’s not a chill yellow lab.
Gwen is skittish like her mom but she’s also aggressive. People who are afraid of the snarling yellow lab gin her up and Gwen is pretty game on attacking certain individuals. She’s not especially well socialized to other dogs, partly as a result of her own litter being wasted the way it was and only having the one sibling to learn from. She will fight and bite to avoid nail trims so the dog’s nails are wickedly sharp and she will claw you for attention to or beg for food. I hate it when she does that. Mom’s trained her to claw people for treats basically. Gwen aggros if you have an object she wants - I recall a day where we were putting down flattened cardboard to use as a weed cover on the footpath (we put mulch over top so it doesn’t look like the red neck solution it is.) Gwen wanted the cardboard and I was holding a big piece, and she was attacking me and tearing at the cardboard while I held it up like a shield, before running away backwards and letting Gwen keep her stupid prize.
Most of this comes down to you as the owner than the dog's genetic behavioral profile. The dog socialization can happen with a trainer though it's difficult/impossible for certain breeds after a certain age (eg. chow) and for dogs with fucked behavior genetics like yours. But the rest of it can be resolved by training.
Give treats for putting your hand near paw, eventually treat for putting hand on paw, treat for grabbing paw, treat for massaging whole paw, treat for massaging individual fingers (one by one), treat for prolonged holding of one finger (repeat for each), treat for cutting nails. You can get a dog to enjoy having their nails cut if you have the patience. Otherwise just muzzle her as you cut. A dog with long nails can end up with split nails = big vet bill.
Ignore pawing for attention. Turn your entire body away every time she does this if possible. Don't look at her. Ignore her. Don't make a noise. When she stops doing it, reward. She'll get the idea. Force everyone else to do this when she does it to them or she'll learn she can get away with doing it to certain people and not others. My mom's dog does this to her and my sister but he doesn't do it to me because he knows it doesn't get him anything.
Last one's on you lmao.
Dogs give clear body language indicators. You can train your dog to be less skittish around people. To see them as something that will give great rewards (eg. train her to view strangers as good by feeding her bacon when she's around them and having them scatter bacon as they walk by her).
Ignore pawing for attention. Turn your entire body away every time she does this if possible. Don't look at her. Ignore her. Don't make a noise. When she stops doing it, reward. She'll get the idea. Force everyone else to do this when she does it to them or she'll learn she can get away with doing it to certain people and not others. My mom's dog does this to her and my sister but he doesn't do it to me because he knows it doesn't get him anything.
Even if it was his dog, basically everything you said is wrong. Don't just google shit and write paragraphs out your ass when you don't know Wtf you're talking about.
Anyone with a reasonable amount of experience with dogs, let alone a breeder or real dog trainer would know this dog is a lost cause. Dogs are creatures of habit and most of their behavior is so strong and ingrained in them by young adulthood that it's nearly impossible to change. Dogs can learn at any age, but stuff like new routines or new tricks - such strong, patterned, and dangerous behavior like what they described can't be trained out of them. That's why early socialization and training is so, SO fucking important, you CANNOT get those early learning times back or reverse any major damage done. That's why dogs that bite people are put down instead of rehabilitated.
It's unusual for labs to be treated in such a way as to end up like that, but it's not like the dog had some super fucked genetics or anything and that most labs "can't" be like this. Every single labrador puppy will act exactly like his mom's dog if you treat it poorly enough while young. Breed has some influence on behavior, but you can make an indiviual of even the most neurotic breed of dog a family dog if raised correctly.
t. Raised a fuck ton of litters from a variety of breeds and I train a lot of dogs. Behavior patterns exist and are predictable based on breed but I would say most of their behavior toward people is built off of their first few weeks of life. (This is why "adopt don't shop" is only something I reccommend for people living alone or with advanced dog handling experience... your average person absolutely should not get a random dog with an unknown background. Reputable breeders only if you're looking for a family dog, ALWAYS and NO EXCEPTIONS!)
That's what voided anything else you had to say. You're retarded. I didn't google shit. I've been handling adult dogs for 13 years. Not breeding them like a backyard fag like you seem to. I've only handled four puppies, two mine. Puppies are leagues different from handling adult dogs of various ages with various issues. People specifically come to me because their dogs have behavioral issues. I don't do it as a business.
This is so fucking wrong I just IRL
The only time a dog should be put down for behavior is if it's actually bitten someone more than once (this one you can still train them out of it), if it's been groomed to have sexual relations with humans, or if it's been groomed to dog fight. Otherwise, its behavior can be rewired. Just cuz you're a shit trainer who can't give a problematic dog the time of day doesn't mean they can't actually be reformed.
your average person absolutely should not get a random dog with an unknown background. Reputable breeders only if you're looking for a family dog, ALWAYS and NO EXCEPTIONS!)
What do you get when you mix a breed known for extremely high prey drive and predatory drift with a breed that is notorious for biting everything and being defensive despite its small size
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That's what voided anything else you had to say. You're retarded. I didn't google shit. I've been handling adult dogs for 13 years. Not breeding them like a backyard fag like you seem to. I've only handled four puppies, two mine. Puppies are leagues different from handling adult dogs of various ages with various issues. People specifically come to me because their dogs have behavioral issues. I don't do it as a business.
This is so fucking wrong I just IRL
The only time a dog should be put down for behavior is if it's actually bitten someone more than once (this one you can still train them out of it), if it's been groomed to have sexual relations with humans, or if it's been groomed to dog fight. Otherwise, its behavior can be rewired. Just cuz you're a shit trainer who can't give a problematic dog the time of day doesn't mean they can't actually be reformed.
No, it's because the owners fucking suck at getting it the proper corrective rehabilitative training. FUCKING DUH.
This is the only good thing from your post that people should follow. SHOP, DON'T ADOPT.
I foster. You've only handled 4 pups, I've raised dozens from newborn to adoption and seen how handling at different ages affects them as adults. There are massive differences even in the same breed depending on when and how you start to train. I'm also a decent trainer, at the very least I've only ever met a single other person whose dogs were as well trained as mine or better.
The fact is, you can technically kind of train a dog out of certain serious behaviors, but that dog can never be trusted again. The problem is that 99% of the time serious behaviors are caused by the owner, and require a dedicated re-training regime that the owner can almost never handle. Someone handling their dog in such a way as to give it serious resource guarding issues, for example, is not going to be capable of understanding exactly what they did and be able to fully change their own behavior. The problem here isn't the dogs most of the time - it's the people, who almost always end up getting rid of it. So where do dogs with issues like these go when the owner can no longer take care of a "dangerous" dog? They go to a shelter, where an unsuspecting new owner (who almost certainly an expert in dog training and behavior qualified to deal with the problem) picks it up and gets bitten, eventually leading to the dog getting put down. I've seen it over and over.
Can you re-train a dog with problems? Yes. Can you re-train a dog to make it perfectly safe while keeping it out of a shelter or stuck on the street? No. I don't trust most people to be able to safely handle a dog that is extremely poorly socialized or trained into dangerous habbits, even if they've been "trained out". With so many dogs in the shelter system already, trying to save every dog by "re-training" them is basically the best way to ensure it just dies later, the only question is if it has to maul some kid first. Dogs aren't people, they're animals, and animals listen to instincts. Your dog doesn't stay out of the trash because it "knows" that it shouldn't, it stays out because it knows getting into the trash upsets you. If your dog is hungry enough, it will get into the trash again regardless. It has no moral barrier to the behavior. If a dog shows a willingness to bite a human, even one time, it means that it WILL bite again given a similar circumatance, and usually the second time it will happen even sooner because they've already done it. You can train it all you want to show less aggression, or even desensitize it to the specific event that triggered the bite, but you will never be able to predict what other siutation or factors might trigger another. Some dogs are just instinctually less prone to biting - I've dealt with dogs that refuse to bite even when seriously injured and being attacked, and others who would bite at the very first sign of their food being interfered with - in the same litter, even. If a dog's natural threshold for biting is low enough, it will ALWAYS be a threat - you can reduce the threat through training, but it will ALWAYS be there and you CANNOT completely get rid of it.
I also have a question for you. According to you, a dog which has been raised in such a way that it bit someone out of fear or to protect territory, etc., can be safely "re-wired", but a dog that has been raped or trained to fight other dogs can't? What exactly do you think is the difference? All three are instinctual behaviors that were stengthened from their experiences with humans. If one of those can be trained out of them, then the others can be, too. Care to explain the magical barrier in "re-wiring" here? I must have the magic touch, too, because I train peoples' dogs out of dog aggression.
Off topic, but what causes a dog to over eat? Some dogs eat until they are full, others eat until they become like a hairy ball that has to go outside to shit every half hour, given a moment's lack of supervision with a food source nearby.
I also have a question for you. According to you, a dog which has been raised in such a way that it bit someone out of fear or to protect territory, etc., can be safely "re-wired", but a dog that has been raped or trained to fight other dogs can't?
Biting out of fear (something they've not been trained to do) is not the same as being trained to do something. A dog who has been trained to mount humans ends up with aggression problems that people have not been able to train out of them, especially given how long some of these dogs go being raped before someone comes to free them.
Dog fighting cannot be trained out of a dog. Most dog fighting dogs seen are pitbulls, which obviously cannot have a trait bred out of them much like you can't train huskies not to be sassy and backtalk.
Your post is tl;dr but that part caught my eye. Anyways, you're retarded. You foster. You aren't given problem dogs. Kill yourself for thinking that's in any way comparable. Not debating with you and shitting up the thread further.
Off topic, but what causes a dog to over eat? Some dogs eat until they are full, others eat until they become like a hairy ball that has to go outside to shit every half hour, given a moment's lack of supervision with a food source nearby.
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