Sony hate thread

[The Feline Solution]

Did later models have worse build quality? The sticks on both of mine have held up and I've had 'em for close to a decade as well. The R2 button on one of them gave out but the sticks are fine.

I don't know, i've heard the stick drift complaints first in regards to Switch "pads" and then the PS5 pads, not in regards to PS4 pads. My other PS4 pad got fucked up at the USB cable port, though, that's a common complaint i heard from other people. The metal became loose to the point that i can't charge it anymore, bricking it. I did have had one first party PS2 controller in the past that eventually got stick drift from God knows where, i'm not a retard that throws his hardware around or anything.

 

[Markorian]

Certainly but it will give Nintendo near absolute power in the industry.

Not while steam exists.

 

[Incecticyder]

Not while steam exists.

I am talking consoles here. Nintendo will have a lot of pull over the industry. Do not underestimate that.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Certainly but it will give Nintendo near absolute power in the industry. Do I need to explain why that can be bad?

Sony is not worthy competition and shouldn't exist in its current state. If anything it's artificially preventing a better option from filling the void it'd leave.

I am talking consoles here. Nintendo will have a lot of pull over the industry. Do not underestimate that.

Valve, Apple, Google, hell, Sega could make a console. Valve has made two attempts to make "consoles" already, Apple technically did, Google flirted with it, and Sega goes without saying.

 

[Two Dollars]

The way things are going there won't be a PS6.

There will be. They will close a ton of studios, fire thousands and cancel projects but they will make it happen. There might not be a PS7 though.

PS6 will be Sony’s Dreamcast: one last stand for relevance before they become known for what they used to be as opposed to what they are now.

Actually, I take that back; the Dreamcast did a lot of cool things and Sega if anything relies too much on their legacy titles. The PS6 will probably be as forgettable as the PS5 and will actively shun its own legacy aside from the occasional memberberry-fueled circlejerk (Astro Bot).

I am talking consoles here. Nintendo will have a lot of pull over the industry. Do not underestimate that.

PCs will only continue to get cheaper and more user-friendly, and that includes boxes that plug into your TV. The last few years alone have seen PC become a viable market in Japan and a surge in hybrid systems, and I say it’s only a matter of time before even the casuals see it as a competitor.

 

[Markorian]

I am talking consoles here. Nintendo will have a lot of pull over the industry. Do not underestimate that.

Let's talk "worst" case scenario. 2025, switch 2 comes out, and it's just as successful as the first one, maybe even more thanks to a smaller power gap and more 3rd party ports. 2027, microsoft announces they're discontinuing xbox, and moving solely to gamepass subscriptions. Sony launches the ps6 later that year, and it fucking BOMBS. We're talking wiiu sales with ps3 monetary loss. Also in this time, sony has gotten a new ceo that's less sympathetic to playstation division and unwilling to keep giving it these chances, so they dreamcast the fucker. Completely uncontested console market for nintendo... for a couple years, 5 at the absolute most. Even if we ignore the fact they'd now be competing much more directly with valve now, you've got at least 3 companies immediately eyeing that power vacuum. Google/alphabet, amazon, and apple. Not to mention, valve would definitely be interested in the possibility of some special steam machines specifically optimized for using a TV as a monitor. Unfilled niches will always be eventually filled.

 

[Celso Bin Portiolli]

Even if we ignore the fact they'd now be competing much more directly with valve now, you've got at least 3 companies immediately eyeing that power vacuum. Google/alphabet, amazon, and apple.

Shame it's always going to be the huge conglomerates competing in the field, I think the days where many different companies, even smaller ones, had consoles or personal computers (80's and early 90's) were much healthier.

 

[Markorian]

Shame it's always going to be the huge conglomerates competing in the field, I think the days where many different companies, even smaller ones, had consoles or personal computers (80's and early 90's) were much healthier.

You can blame the endless push for "MUH GWAFFIX" for pricing out anyone else from taking a legitimate crack at it.

 

[Fcret]

Ponies are so annoying with their comparisons. specially because they keep mentioning Nvidia as a reference point meanwhile the PlayStation has been using AMD GPU tech for years. If they are going to make direct comparisons to PC hardware they should look at Team Red's offerings.

The Pro was announced to have a 67% bigger die than the regular model, it struck me as a very specific number to use, so I think that this is because Sony is going to use a preexisting chip in the AMD stack that fits that description. The current PS5 has 36 CUs, if it is increased by 67% that gives us 60 CUs. Not surprisingly there is already a Radeon GPU that fits that criteria: The RX 7800 XT which compared to the RTX 4070 is close but the Nvidia card still outperforms it in some regards:

RX 7800 XT vs RTX 4070

Let not even start with the "it is as powerful as a 4090" nonsense:

RX 7800 XT vs RTX 4090

The 7800 retails for about $500 so it doesn't even break the bank. Sure, building a whole powerful PC is going to be more expensive up front but it doesn't have all the hidden costs and restrictions of a console.

It always comes back to Snoys being dumb cattle, they just want an idiot-proof box, using a PC requires thinking and that's too much of an ask.

Actually it's been more or less confirmed that the PS5 Pro is running on AMD's new RDNA 4 architecture. So it'll be comparable to a 7700 XT/7800 XT in terms of raster but it'll have better RT performance than current AMD stuff.

This is where the tentative comparisons to a 4070 come from because DF doesn't really know where the RDNA4 stuff will stand on ray-tracing so they've been liberal with their estimations.

All that being said, I expect it'll massively underperform most PCs with comparable GPUs simply due to memory bottlenecks and the anemic Zen 2 CPU in it. Most people with current gen cards are running Zen 3 or 4 (or comparable Intel) and those CPUs are quite a bit faster than their previous gen counterparts. Although considering Sonysisters are content with 60 fps as the bleeding edge of performance, I don't think it'll matter much (cue the "you don't *need* more than 60 fps, man" posts from the Sonysisters once actual perf benchmarks hit)

 

[Incecticyder]

Sony is not worthy competition and shouldn't exist in its current state. If anything it's artificially preventing a better option from filling the void it'd leave.

True but they still exist. Having no point to its existense did not stop the last two versions of Xbox.

Valve, Apple, Google, hell, Sega could make a console. Valve has made two attempts to make "consoles" already, Apple technically did, Google flirted with it, and Sega goes without saying.

Valve has the Steam Deck and they will need little more than the occasional successor. Apple makes phones that cost as much as a premium gaming PC. Their console will cost as much as a family car, will break down easily, will become infinitely worse in performance around the time a successor comes out and, overall, will be the most anti-consumer product ever. That is all part of their identity. Google has soured many with Stadia. There was not much interest then and now that their servers' limits are known, it will be an even harder sell. Sega has it good right now. No need to rock the boat when so many of their games are in other consoles. This is not the 90s.

PS6 will be Sony’s Dreamcast: one last stand for relevance before they become known for what they used to be as opposed to what they are now.

Exactly, their investor would kill them if they gave up like that.

Actually, I take that back; the Dreamcast did a lot of cool things and Sega if anything relies too much on their legacy titles. The PS6 will probably be as forgettable as the PS5 and will actively shun its own legacy aside from the occasional memberberry-fueled circlejerk (Astro Bot).

I liked Astro Bot at first but now I feel different. It is an IP Graveyard. SSBs is a celebration. Yeah some francises are dead or in indefinite hiatus but most are alive and kicking. With Astro Bot, not so much.

PCs will only continue to get cheaper and more user-friendly, and that includes boxes that plug into your TV. The last few years alone have seen PC become a viable market in Japan and a surge in hybrid systems, and I say it’s only a matter of time before even the casuals see it as a competitor.

True, but the big console manufacturers will still have a lot of pull. Nintendo has mostly treated devs well this generation. It will be appreciated and returned. They have a lot of dev goodwill for better or worse.

Let's talk "worst" case scenario. 2025, switch 2 comes out, and it's just as successful as the first one, maybe even more thanks to a smaller power gap and more 3rd party ports. 2027, microsoft announces they're discontinuing xbox, and moving solely to gamepass subscriptions. Sony launches the ps6 later that year, and it fucking BOMBS. We're talking wiiu sales with ps3 monetary loss. Also in this time, sony has gotten a new ceo that's less sympathetic to playstation division and unwilling to keep giving it these chances, so they dreamcast the fucker. Completely uncontested console market for nintendo... for a couple years, 5 at the absolute most. Even if we ignore the fact they'd now be competing much more directly with valve now, you've got at least 3 companies immediately eyeing that power vacuum. Google/alphabet, amazon, and apple. Not to mention, valve would definitely be interested in the possibility of some special steam machines specifically optimized for using a TV as a monitor. Unfilled niches will always be eventually filled.

They will give PS6 a few years as it will look bad to just throw it under the bus. And they will pay 3rd parties to make them exclusive games too (like Nintendo paid for Bayo2 and 3 as opposed to temporary exclusivity). And I do not believe anyone else will really try to make a console other than Valve with a hybrid. Apple and Google have phones and Amazon cannot even make games consistently. If anyone other than Valve tries it, they are screwed.

You can blame the endless push for "MUH GWAFFIX" for pricing out anyone else from taking a legitimate crack at it.

And now they cannot sell the graphics to save their lives. Serves them right.

 

[Markorian]

They will give PS6 a few years as it will look bad to just throw it under the bus.

Like I said, this is "worst" case scenario, not most likely.

And they will pay 3rd parties to make them exclusive games too (like Nintendo paid for Bayo2 and 3 as opposed to temporary exclusivity).

Platinum was actually pretty much panhandling for someone to fund the game, and offering exclusivity in return. They approached both microsoft and sony before nintendo, and were rejected by them. And even square enix, some of the most enthusiastic sony ballwashers in the industry, are beginning to reject deals for even temporary exclusivity.

 

[Incecticyder]

Platinum was actually pretty much panhandling for someone to fund the game, and offering exclusivity in return. They approached both microsoft and sony before nintendo, and were rejected by them. And even square enix, some of the most enthusiastic sony ballwashers in the industry, are beginning to reject deals for even temporary exclusivity.

Sony will have to pay a pretty penny for the entire development of each game as opposed to flat cash for some exclisivity like they used to. Nintendo did something similar with the 3DS too.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Oh boy, can't wait to see remasters of years-old games and......

no that'll be it really.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Like I said, this is "worst" case scenario, not most likely.


Platinum was actually pretty much panhandling for someone to fund the game, and offering exclusivity in return. They approached both microsoft and sony before nintendo, and were rejected by them. And even square enix, some of the most enthusiastic sony ballwashers in the industry, are beginning to reject deals for even temporary exclusivity.

Afaik Nintendo published Bayonetta 2 & 3 and own the rights to the games. It's not an exclusivity deal so much as a "2nd party" game.

 

[Waifu Denier]

you've got at least 3 companies immediately eyeing that power vacuum. Google/alphabet, amazon, and apple

I doubt any of them will have any interest. Google already had their debacle with Stadia, which was far easier to roll out than any console given you can run it on anything that can run a web browser, and they still failed. They aren't really one for risky long term hardware investments. Amazon is also scaling down their gaming commitments, given that while they invest a great deal into their Lumberyard Engine and trying to get games out of their studio, they had to cancel many projects and the ones that did get produced were flops like New World. Apple is Apple, they go at their own pace without much regard for the rest of the market. Getting into the physical mainstream console business is a massive undertaking, and one that requires a great deal of commitment to receive any returns from.

All that being said, I expect it'll massively underperform most PCs with comparable GPUs simply due to memory bottlenecks and the anemic Zen 2 CPU in it. Most people with current gen cards are running Zen 3 or 4 (or comparable Intel) and those CPUs are quite a bit faster than their previous gen counterparts. Although considering Sonysisters are content with 60 fps as the bleeding edge of performance, I don't think it'll matter much (cue the "you don't *need* more than 60 fps, man" posts from the Sonysisters once actual perf benchmarks hit)

I wouldn't call Zen 2 anemic at all, it is aging but it is hardly insufficient for most gaming. Unless you are running at extremely high framerates, a select few extremely CPU bound games, or actual production workloads, an 8 core Zen 2 CPU is not going to be your bottleneck. People with a 3700X right now are doing fine. For example, if you were running FF16, you would only start being CPU bound with a 3700X if your GPU is outputting at greater than 170fps.

 

[Two Dollars]

Shame it's always going to be the huge conglomerates competing in the field, I think the days where many different companies, even smaller ones, had consoles or personal computers (80's and early 90's) were much healthier.

Hardware was much more specialized back then. Now, there’s no need for anyone to make anything proprietary because you could just make your game for PC instead and have it run on everything.

And I do not believe anyone else will really try to make a console other than Valve with a hybrid.

We already have a few companies making hybrid PCs. Valve has the Steam Deck, Asus has the ROG Ally, AYANEO if you want to count chinkshit. Steam OS is meant to be a platform that anyone can make hardware for, so anyone can (theoretically) throw their hat in the ring like with other PC hardware. If Nintendo ever become the only one of the big three to continue making hardware, expect existing PC companies to step in and (attempt to) fill that void.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

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Oh boy, can't wait to see remasters of years-old games and......
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no that'll be it really.

The replies are even saying a lot, and we all know the answer to them:



Leave it to Asmongold for the ratio to be more talked about than Pepe inhaling copium.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Even if we ignore the fact they'd now be competing much more directly with valve now, you've got at least 3 companies immediately eyeing that power vacuum. Google/alphabet, amazon, and apple.

Would it really be a "power vacuum" though? I think it's more like a cave-in of the non-Nintendo console market, leaving no room for anyone if Sony bows out - the same untenable economic realities that Sony and Microsoft are struggling with would still be there if another big corp tried to move in.

 

[Incecticyder]

We already have a few companies making hybrid PCs. Valve has the Steam Deck, Asus has the ROG Ally, AYANEO if you want to count chinkshit. Steam OS is meant to be a platform that anyone can make hardware for, so anyone can (theoretically) throw their hat in the ring like with other PC hardware. If Nintendo ever become the only one of the big three to continue making hardware, expect existing PC companies to step in and (attempt to) fill that void.

And what are those consoles like? Do they have exclusives or are they just accessing the Steam store? Because the strategy of just dropping a console into the market does not work. And what about brand identity? Getting into consoles is easy, thriving is the hard part.

 

[Two Dollars]

And what are those consoles like? Do they have exclusives or are they just accessing the Steam store? Because the strategy of just dropping a console into the market does not work. And what about brand identity? Getting into consoles is easy, thriving is the hard part.

That’s the thing, PCs are in the unique position where they don’t need a brand identity. Companies tried to make “console” PCs in the past (like Valve teaming up with Alienware to make the first Steam Machines), and it never worked since PC gaming just wasn’t streamlined at all. But now, Steam OS has already been established to provide a strong user experience, and is itself the brand. Think about non-console devices; the software/OS is the number one point of contingency for customers, not the maker of the hardware.

Desktop PCs are Windows (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. Mac OS (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. Linux (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about).

Phones are Android (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. iOS (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. ”other” (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about).

In this hypothetical scenario, the new era of consoles would be Steam OS (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. Nintendo (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. ”other” (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about). Microsoft would either go under the third category or be a competitor in the first category depending on whether they tried to make some gaming-centric version of Windows after the Xbox console’s retirement.

But I want to use that word very deliberately: era. The idea of a consolized PC isn’t new, but we’re finally at the point where, given the right conditions, it can make a serious impact in the gaming landscape.