War More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah members, wounded in Lebanon when pagers explode - Israel blows the balls off Hezbollah members

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BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters.
A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.
Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza war erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years.

The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations.
Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.
A Reuters journalist saw ambulances rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, amid widespread panic. A security source said that devices were also exploding in the south of Lebanon.

At Mt. Lebanon hospital, a Reuters reporter saw motorcycles rushing to the emergency room, where people with their hands bloodied were screaming in pain.
The head of the Nabatieh public hospital in the south of the country, Hassan Wazni, told Reuters that around 40 wounded people were being treated at his facility. The wounds included injuries to the face, eyes and limbs.
The wave of explosions lasted around an hour after the initial detonations, which took place about 3:45 p.m. local time (1345 GMT). It was not immediately clear how the devices were detonated.

Lebanese internal security forces said a number of wireless communication devices were detonated across Lebanon, especially in Beirut's southern suburbs, leading to injuries.
Groups of people huddled at the entrance of buildings to check on people they knew who may have been wounded, the Reuters journalist said.
Regional broadcasters carrying CCTV footage which showed what appeared to be a small handheld device placed next to a grocery store cashier where an individual was paying spontaneously exploding. In other footage, an explosion appeared to knock out someone standing at a fruit stand at a market area.

Lebanon’s crisis operations center, which is run by the health ministry, asked all medical workers to head to their respective hospitals to help cope with the massive numbers of wounded coming into for urgent care. It said health care workers should not use pagers.
The Lebanese Red Cross said more than 50 ambulances and 300 emergency medical staff were dispatched to assist in the evacuation of victims.

Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel immediately after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas gunmen on Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire constantly ever since, while avoiding a major escalation as war rages in Gaza to the south.
Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from towns and villages on both sides of the border by the hostilities.


From OSINT

What we know so far:
- Explosion happened simultanously
- Explosions didn't only happen in Lebanon, but in Syria too so it's a long range to be wireless detonation signal.
- The pager is 'Rugged Pager AR924' produced by a Taiwanese company
- Small Li-Ion battery, can't explode that big
- None of the pagers caught fire, which is common incase of a battery 'explosion' rather they just exploded.
- However the pagers did heat up before
- All exploded pagers were the same model of pager.
- The pagers came from one shipment

Also pretty shitty headline considering this was an attack that could only hit Hezbollah members

Video of the attacks
 
Why are american tax dollars going to fund an ancient semitic blood feud dont we have better things to do

Back in the day it was basically a bribe to insure they kept their shit regional to the middle east.

If we could pay both sides to keep them killing each other in a forever war on their own turf it was well worth the money spent.

But then the Saudis started exporting their home grown extremists to Pakistan and Indonesia, and those assholes started expanding to other areas and it turned into a giant cluster fuck.
 
I see the more deranged progs and leftist at places like resetera are having a normal one over this.. As are a few so-called international legal "experts" (ideological shills). Everything from screaming about it being a terrorist attack, to insisting that it was random violence targeting civilians. Some are insisting that they had to have just shipped these out to random people or something, because they themselves can't picture how they could ensure they get in the right hands otherwise. Even when confronted by the facts, one popular narrative is that some members of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, aren't connected enough to the terrorism and violence for their liking, and thus must be regarded as "civilian". Actually arguing that people who received these devices, used to secretly plan/organize/support/further terrorist and violent shit, official members of a terrorist organization, are "too innocent" to rightfully target. Fucking insanity!

ReeeEra is particularly losing it. So much screeching and seething hate. Open calls to destroy Israel, overthrow the government etc etc. They are in full banning mode for anyone who posts anything less than "this was a terrorist attack against random civilians.. fuck israel" Quite a few banned people in the thread already.


Hezbollah's stated reason for engaging in conflict with Israel these past eleven months has been "the unity of the fronts"; Nasrallah has consistently said that Hezbollah will not back down until the war in Gaza ends. So yes, at least according to Hezbollah, it's part of the larger conflict for Palestine. (From the Israeli perspective, this was inevitable after 10/7 whether or not Hezbollah chose to intervene; we can't allow terrorist groups to build up forces on our borders the way we have for the past two decades.)

Yeah, that's what I don't get about all this handwringing over escalation and supposed Israeli aggression. Hezbollah formally and officially entered hostilities from the start of this all just after the terrorist attack. Well before Israel even lifted a finger yet. They have de facto done so as well. Attacking Israel and launching rockets and missiles over the border unprovoked. This shit is so stupid.. that even the biggest shill or mindless true believer wouldn't dare try to pretend.. or ignore the open hostilities and acts of war from Hezbollah for almost an entire year leading up to these events.


I've been legit thinking about this, either Hamas never opened or accidentally broken a single one of these devices in the last few months with the numbers they have you'd expect at least one accident, or something very fucky is going on, I saw a few photos of recovered parts of these things and I am seeing very little of certain components notably the screen and front case for the pages and the batter case area from the bits I am seeing have very less than you'd think.

Either some portion of the battery was swapped or changed out, or some other major component was or they have found some way of disguising explosives in a really unique way, maybe some form of accelerator on the batteries like coating a lipo battery that makes an induced failure even more energetic etc.

You have to remember that modern PE is extremely stable. (some forms can be shot while on fire and still not go off) Plus this isn't a rush job, i'm sure they had more than enough time to hide that shit real good. Inside of an empty power cell or other component. Terrorists would have to start taking apart actual components of the devices to even have a chance of finding it. I don't know about you, but ripping open a lithium battery is not something many people would care to do. That shit is toxic and flammable in air, potentially explosively so.
 
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Yeah, that's what I don't get about all this handwringing over escalation and supposed Israeli aggression.
To people with this mindset, Israel is the bad actor. Full stop. If you accept that Israel has the slightest logical reason or morally acceptable right to do anything to defend itself or proactively wipe out terrorist-controlled weapons caches, you may as well be dancing in a circle at the Kotel and cheering the genocide of Gaza.

This is, bizarrely, the same mindset behind the insane hatred of JK Rowling in trans rights circles. Wait, she calmly argues that women and girls deserve single-sex spaces for their safety and dignity? We'll denounce her and burn her entire literary legacy to the ground! (Spoiler: they won't.) Wearing a Slytherin scarf = rounding up trans people for the death camps.
 
I don't know about you, but ripping open a lithium battery is not something many people would care to do. That shit is toxic and flammable in air, potentially explosively so.
It stinks but if you are careful nothing will catch fire. Casing is razor sharp tho.
My bet is they put explosive into li-ion cell. Completely undetectable.
 
Intel agencies have whole departments dedicated to just creating identities with a plausible-looking web footprint. Identities can sit around for years until they get used, if they even get used. Chances are the identity is fake and the photo is of some random person, if not digitally generated.

One time a shell company like this got set up in a building I worked in, a nondescript skyscraper with lots of boring businesses. All well and good, but the soundproofing was garbage, which is how I found out that the feds were running an op from there (war on drugs stuff re: cartels moving along I-5). We could hear them discussing everything from suspect names to wholesale narcotics pricing to how drugs had been disguised in confiscations.

Their website was the most nondescript thing, with web design that looked ~10 years out of date. The people who were on the website were not the people who rode the elevator to that office. I assume they were all fake.

The government works on a principle of making things look deliberately uninteresting. There was a place where the feds do dead drops in a very popular mall and the location of the dead drop is just this out of the way maintenance corridor that isn't actually used for maintenance and that the actual maintenance guys don't go to. There are many, many of these kinds of places and companies and they all look like the most boring shit on Earth.

But you'd look schizo as fuck to say "it's a front! it's a front! that's not a barely-functional property & casualty insurance agency, it's a front!"
 
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One time a shell company like this got set up in a building I worked in, a nondescript skyscraper with lots of boring businesses. All well and good, but the soundproofing was garbage, which is how I found out that the feds were running an op from there (war on drugs stuff re: cartels moving along I-5). We could hear them discussing everything from suspect names to wholesale narcotics pricing to how drugs had been disguised in confiscations.

Their website was the most nondescript thing, with web design that looked ~10 years out of date. The people who were on the website were not the people who rode the elevator to that office. I assume they were all fake.

The government works on a principle of making things look deliberately uninteresting. There was a place where the feds do dead drops in a very popular mall and the location of the dead drop is just this out of the way maintenance corridor that isn't actually used for maintenance and that the actual maintenance guys don't go to. There are many, many of these kinds of places and companies and they all look like the most boring shit on Earth.

But you'd look schizo as fuck to say "it's a front! it's a front! that's not a barely-functional property & casualty insurance agency, it's a front!"
At one point the KGB agents got so good at being bland that one could pick them out simply due to the lack of any recognizing features. Intel services are very good at this.
 
You have to remember that modern PE is extremely stable. (some forms can be shot while on fire and still not go off) Plus this isn't a rush job, i'm sure they had more than enough time to hide that shit real good. Inside of an empty power cell or other component. Terrorists would have to start taking apart actual components of the devices to even have a chance of finding it. I don't know about you, but ripping open a lithium battery is not something many people would care to do. That shit is toxic and flammable in air, potentially explosively so.

You see thats the thing, I have been thinking about this and my mind keeps going back to "This is something new" and a memory got dragged up from a made for TV move or shitty book plot (the kind of book you get in a charity shop for 50p an still feel ripped off) about a guy who was making bombs from plastic explosives and I don't mean like C4 but a kind of chemical explosive that could be moulded as a plastic an functioned as a plastic until it was time for it to explode and then "boom" I'm not saying that's how they did it but they have certainly managed to do something very novel be it Chemically with some new explosive to get a reasonably powerful charge into a small electronic component or they have found a way of taking a known explosive and finding a way of increasing it's lethality in a very new way.

The videos I've seen that have caught the explosions (budget brand CCTV so not great recorded froma screen onto a phone making it worse) it didn't look like a shaped charge and there would be next to no way of making sure it was pointing in a certain direction when it exploded as they all seemed to go off in pockets etc, the only larger boom from one of them that I have seen was from a Radio on day 2 at the funeral of someone who got killed by a pager, at least with the radio you can imagine a fairly large charge inside something like a hollowed out 18650 cell inside a battery etc but those pagers have tiny batteries really tiny batteries for the form factor so the explosive charge would be commensurately smaller.

It's just managed to get my brain working over time and working out a legitimately possible explanation for the technical how it was done has proven to be an interesting time killer the last few days.
 
It's just managed to get my brain working over time and working out a legitimately possible explanation for the technical how it was done has proven to be an interesting time killer the last few days.
My wild guess, and I don't know if the forensics has come back yet, is the explosive was either in the battery (which probably had to be miniaturized so as not to be suspiciously low on power), or something in contact with the battery, with the battery being used as a thermal detonator.
 
It's crazy they could get the whole MATI audience in one room

My wild guess, and I don't know if the forensics has come back yet, is the explosive was either in the battery (which probably had to be miniaturized so as not to be suspiciously low on power), or something in contact with the battery, with the battery being used as a thermal detonator.
Agree that the devices battery was used as a detonator but I don't think the size of the batteries would matter so much since they were using outdated tech (for the specific purpose of being less-hackable) - a pager and radio traditionally run off extremely low power (it's the screens on our phones that use most power).

You wouldn't have to worry too much about the users of the devices being worried about battery life as they're going to be used to battery life when it comes to phones specifically.
 
a guy who was making bombs from plastic explosives and I don't mean like C4 but a kind of chemical explosive that could be moulded as a plastic an functioned as a plastic until it was time for it to explode and then "boom"
Nipolit has been around since WW2, and i'm sure there's much better stuff around by now. The problem with making the pager case out of something like that, is, well...explosive detectors, and bomb dogs, and such. Something the hamas types would have had a high probability of coming into contact with.

My money is on the boring solution (party putty and a smaller battery inside a larger "battery"). Hermetically sealed by default, and not something people normally poke at.
 
I will not be threatened by a Commander Salami or a General Liverwurst or even a Field Marshal Chorizo, bros. Have they considered a nice Jewish deli roast beef instead?

For reference: Hossein Salami
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I was just tired as hell and stressed out with work bullshit today. Nothing put a smile on my face like coming back here and hearing that Musloid in the OP whimper like a eunuch after he got his balls blown off.
 
“You received an encrypted message"

Mossad’s pager operation: Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Souad Mekhennet and Joby Warrick
2024-10-05 22:13:02GMT
Hezbollah members carry one of the coffins of four fighters who were killed on Sept. 17 after their handheld pagers exploded, in the southern suburbs of Beirut. (Bilal Hussein/AP)

TEL AVIV — In the initial sales pitch to Hezbollah two years ago, the new line of Apollo pagers seemed precisely suited to the needs of a militia group with a sprawling network of fighters and a hard-earned reputation for paranoia.

The AR924 pager was slightly bulky but rugged, built to survive battlefield conditions. It boasted a waterproof Taiwanese design and an oversized battery that could operate for months without charging. Best of all, there was no risk that the pagers could ever be tracked by Israel’s intelligence services. Hezbollah’s leaders were so impressed they bought 5,000 of them and began handing them out to mid-level fighters and support personnel in February.

None of the users suspected they were wearing an ingeniously crafted Israeli bomb. And even after thousands of the devices exploded in Lebanon and Syria, few appreciated the pagers’ most sinister feature: a two-step de-encryption procedure that ensured most users would be holding the pager with both hands when it detonated.

As many as 3,000 Hezbollah officers and members — most of them rear-echelon figures — were killed or maimed, along with an unknown number of civilians, according to Israeli, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials, when Israel’s Mossad intelligence service triggered the devices remotely on Sept. 17.

As an act of spy craft, it is without parallel, one of the most successful and inventive penetrations of an enemy by an intelligence service in recent history. But key details of the operation — including how it was planned and carried out, and the controversy it engendered within Israel’s security establishment and among allies — are only now coming to light.

This account, including numerous new details about the operation, was pieced together from interviews with Israeli, Arab and U.S. security officials, politicians and diplomats briefed on the events, as well as Lebanese officials and people close to Hezbollah. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. They describe a years-long plan that originated at Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv and ultimately involved a cast of operatives and unwitting accomplices in multiple countries. The Washington Post account reveals how the attack not only devastated Hezbollah’s leadership ranks but also emboldened Israel to target and kill Hezbollah’s top leader, Hasan Nasrallah, raising the risk of a wider Middle East war.

Iran launched around 180 missiles against Israel on Tuesday in retaliation for Israeli attacks on Hezbollah’s leadership and warned of harsher consequences if the conflict escalates.

“The resistance in the region will not back down even with the killing of its leaders,” Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said during a Friday sermon in Tehran.

But in Israel, the strike convinced the country’s political leaders that Hezbollah could be put on the ropes, susceptible to a systematic dismantling using airstrikes and, eventually a ground invasion. Yet while marveling at the plot’s success, some officials continue to worry about the broader ripples of the strike, in a conflict that continues to spiral.

One Israeli political official, referring to the pager plot, summed up the anxieties in a quip at a meeting with Mossad officials.

“We cannot make a strategic decision such as an escalation in Lebanon while counting on a toy,” the official said.

Designed by Mossad, assembled in Israel
The idea for the pager operation originated in 2022, according to the Israeli, Middle Eastern and U.S. officials familiar with the events. Parts of the plan began falling into place more than a year before Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack that put the region on a path to war. It was a time of relative quiet on Israel’s war-scarred northern border with Lebanon.

Among the half dozen Iranian-backed militia groups with weapons aimed at Israel, Hezbollah is by far the strongest. Israeli officials had watched with increasing anxiety as the Lebanese group added new weapons to an arsenal already capable of striking Israeli cities with tens of thousands of precision-guided missiles.

Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service responsible for combating foreign threats to the Jewish state, had worked for years to penetrate the group with electronic monitoring and human informants. Over time, Hezbollah leaders learned to worry about the group’s vulnerability to Israeli surveillance and hacking, fearing that even ordinary cellphones could be turned into Israeli-controlled eavesdropping and tracking devices.

Thus was born the idea of creating a kind of communications Trojan horse, the officials said. Hezbollah was looking for hack-proof electronic networks for relaying messages, and Mossad came up with a pair of ruses that would lead the militia group to purchase devices that seemed perfect for the job — equipment that Mossad designed and had assembled in Israel.

The first part of the plan, booby-trapped walkie-talkies, began being inserted into Lebanon by Mossad nearly a decade ago, in 2015. The mobile two-way radios contained oversized battery packs, a hidden explosive and a transmission system that gave Israel complete access to Hezbollah communications.

For nine years, the Israelis contented themselves with eavesdropping on Hezbollah, the officials said, while reserving the option to turn the walkie-talkies into bombs in a future crisis. But then came a new opportunity and a glitzy new product: a small pager equipped with a powerful explosive. In an irony that would not become clear for many months, Hezbollah would end up indirectly paying the Israelis for the tiny bombs that would kill or wound many of its operatives.

Because Hezbollah leaders were alert to possible sabotage, the pagers could not originate in Israel, the United States or any other Israeli ally. So, in 2023, the group began receiving solicitations for the bulk purchase of Taiwanese-branded Apollo pagers, a well-recognized trademark and product line with a worldwide distribution and no discernible links to Israeli or Jewish interests. The Taiwanese company had no knowledge of the plan, officials said.

The sales pitch came from a marketing official trusted by Hezbollah with links to Apollo. The marketing official, a woman whose identity and nationality officials declined to reveal, was a former Middle East sales representative for the Taiwanese firm who had established her own company and acquired a license to sell a line of pagers that bore the Apollo brand. Some time in 2023, she offered Hezbollah a deal on one the products her firm sold: the rugged and reliable AR924.

“She was the one in touch with Hezbollah, and explained to them why the bigger pager with the larger battery was better than the original model,” said an Israeli official briefed on details of the operation. One of the main selling points about the AR924 was that it was “possible to charge with a cable. And the batteries were longer lasting,” the official said.

As it turned out, the actual production of the devices was outsourced and the marketing official had no knowledge of the operation and was unaware that the pagers were physically assembled in Israel under Mossad oversight, officials said. Mossad’s pagers, each weighing less than three ounces, included a unique feature: a battery pack that concealed a tiny amount of a powerful explosive, according to the officials familiar with the plot.

In a feat of engineering, the bomb component was so carefully hidden as to be virtually undetectable, even if the device was taken apart, the officials said. Israeli officials believe that Hezbollah did disassemble some of the pagers and may have even X-rayed them.

Also invisible was Mossad’s remote access to the devices. An electronic signal from the intelligence service could trigger the explosion of thousands of the devices at once. But, to ensure maximum damage, the blast could also be triggered by a special two-step procedure required for viewing secure messages that had been encrypted.

“You had to push two buttons to read the message,” an official said. In practice, that meant using both hands.

In the ensuing explosion, the users would almost certainly “wound both their hands,” the official said, and thus “would be incapable to fight.”

An encrypted message
Most top elected officials in Israel were unaware of the capability until Sept. 12. That’s the day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summoned his intelligence advisers for a meeting to discuss potential action against Hezbollah, Israeli officials said.

According to a summary of the meeting weeks later by officials briefed on the event, Mossad officials offered a first glimpse into what had been one of the agency’s most secretive operations. By then, the Israelis had placed booby-trapped pagers in the hands and pockets of thousands of Hezbollah operatives.

Intelligence officials also talked about a long-held anxiety: With the escalating crisis in southern Lebanon, there was a growing risk the explosives would be discovered. Years of careful planning and deception could quickly come to naught.

Across Israel’s security establishment, an intense debate erupted, officials said. Everyone, including Netanyahu, recognized that the thousands of exploding pagers could do untold damage to Hezbollah, but could also trigger a fierce response, including a massive retaliatory missile strike by surviving Hezbollah leaders, with Iran possibly joining in the fray.

“It was clear that there were some risks,” an Israeli official said. Some, including senior Israel Defense Forces officials, warned of the potential for a full-fledged escalation with Hezbollah, even as Israeli soldiers were continuing operations against Hamas in Gaza. But others, chiefly Mossad, saw an opportunity to disrupt the status quo with “something more intense.”

The United States, Israel’s closest ally, was not informed of the booby-trapped pagers or the internal debate over whether to trigger them, U.S. officials said.

Ultimately, Netanyahu approved triggering the devices while they could inflict maximum damage. Over the following week, Mossad began preparations for detonating both the pagers and walkie-talkies already in circulation.

In Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, meanwhile, the debate over the Hezbollah campaign expanded to include another profoundly consequential target: Nasrallah himself.

Mossad had known of the leader’s whereabouts in Lebanon for years and tracked his movements closely, officials said. Yet the Israelis held their fire, certain that an assassination would lead to all-out war with the militia group, and perhaps with Iran as well. American diplomats had been pressing Nasrallah to agree to a separate cease-fire with Israel, without links to the fighting in Gaza, hoping for a deal that could lead to the withdrawal of Hezbollah fighters from the southern Lebanese bases that threatened Israeli citizens in communities near the border.

Senior Israeli officials said they voiced support for the cease-fire proposal, but Nasrallah withheld his consent, insisting on a cease-fire for Gaza first, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials said. Some senior political and military officials in Israel remained deeply uncertain about targeting Nasrallah, fearing the fallout in the region.

On Sept. 17, even as the debate in Israel’s highest national security circles about whether to strike the Hezbollah leader raged on, thousands of Apollo-branded pagers rang or vibrated at once, all across Lebanon and Syria. A short sentence in Arabic appeared on the screen: “You received an encrypted message,” it said.

Hezbollah operatives dutifully followed the instructions for checking coded messages, pressing two buttons. In houses and shops, in cars and on sidewalks, explosions ripped apart hands and blew away fingers. Less than a minute later, thousands of other pagers exploded by remote command, regardless of whether the user ever touched his device.

The following day, on Sept. 18, hundreds of walkie-talkies blew up in the same way, killing and maiming users and bystanders.

It was the first of a series of blows aimed at the heart of one of Israel’s most ardent foes. As Hezbollah reeled, Israel struck again, pounding the group’s headquarters, arsenals and logistic centers with 2,000-pound bombs.

The largest series of airstrikes occurred on Sept. 27, 10 days after the pagers exploded. The attack, targeting a deeply buried command center in Beirut, was ordered by Netanyahu as he traveled to New York for a United Nations speech in which he declared, speaking to Hezbollah, “enough is enough.”

“We will not accept a terror army perched on our northern border, able to perpetrate another Oct. 7-style massacre,” Netanyahu said in the speech.

The next day, Sept. 28, Hezbollah confirmed what most of the world already knew: Nasrallah, the group’s fiery leader and sworn enemy of Israel, was dead.
 
The usual from a propaganda outlet like WP.. Only a truly vile person would throw in terms like "sinister" when speaking of an attack on murderers and terrorists. Even going so far as lamenting and fearmongering the death of their leader.
How could you expect anything less from the newspaper that eulogized the head of ISIS as an austere religious scholar?
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