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Transitioning will not make this go away or feel any better. Personal experience from the other side of the aisle. The only thing that helps is acceptance and cutting people out of your life who get in the way of that.
Off-Topic Detransitioner/Desister Stories - People you know or heard about deciding to return to their original gender/sex
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while trying to PL as little as i can, multiple traumatic events/long-standing child abuse do leave different effects yet flashbacks (at least emotional ones) are still very possible. not from being called a faggot on twitter or some shit though
for those wondering what it feels like, it's fucking weird. like re-feeling the exact mood you were in from a memory you thought your brain had completely forgotten
Kent Allard
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Don’t want to PL, but mom was in a Japanese Imperial Army concentration camp with her family in Shanghai during WWII. I once triggered her accidentally by leaving a shortwave radio on that was unwittingly tuned to a frequency not only used by the BBC but by Japanese ham operators. When she heard the Japanese coming out of the speaker she almost lost her shit. That was my intro to PTSD in real life.
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So, so many shit deals in life are just dealt with. Except being a troon; that shit has to be acted upon, even if you know you won't pass. So many things are "welp, maybe in the next life" except that one. It's such naivety to think life is meant to be exactly how you want it to.
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For whatever reason jewtube suggested this pooner that might anhero one of these days. A grim sight that is the eventual wave of castrated/mutilated young women thatll come out with their experiences in about 1-2 years
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Of note, not in order:
- She repeatedly says "you can't go back, can you?"
- She said she wanted a chest reconstruction, but her original top surgeon botched her double breast removal so badly that three different surgeons refuse to even consider her for surgery.
- Says her deep voice causes her distress and laser hair removal didn't work.
- Wants "voice surgery or to shut up and never speak again."
- Talks about a different tranny who MAID'd - an MtF troon who, prior to 41%ing, "Taught [the pooner] how to be a masculine man" (she might be mixing two different people up here, she's drunk)
- Talks about wanting to die and how euthenisia works in the Netherlands.
- Sounds like she did have some steps they made her take before getting hormones. Does not blame the gender clinic, says the clinic told her to stop rushing transition.
- Does not believe in God.
- The first therapist at the gender clinic was a woman who kept having a lot of children, according to the pooner, and the pooner is against people having children because the pooner is anti natalist and fired that therapist and went with a different gender therapist who was an enabler at the same clinic.
- Just prior to that point, she said that this was all her responsibility and she doesn't blame anyone else.
- She has been drinking alcohol.
- Calls trasitioning stupid and reiterates its her fault.
- Socially transd at 19, medical at 21.
- Has multipul comorbid mental disorders including OCD.
- Ponders how to get euthenasia.
- Is it better to be unhappy as a woman or man?
- As a woman could never be beautiful; as a trans man - would be fake.
- There is no hope. If she wears a dress and wig she'd be seen as an MtF.
- Asks if its faith in God that gives others the hope to move forward.
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Someone on the farms once said that practitioners use the cPTSD dx to signal BPD to others. I kind of buy it.
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Is there anti-frog voice surgery?
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Apparently there is an attempt, yes. I've seen some ex-FTMs on the r/detrans forum talk about it. It doesn't sound like it works very well, and like most of this stuff, is riddled with exciting possibilities for horrific complications.
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Gonna post a few more detrans youtube channels I found:
First is Max Wayfarer with a video titled "How I ruined my life", he talks a lot about the health side effects he had because of estrogen, apparently it fucked his eyes up:
Next is LaRell, this one includes some cringy videos he made when he was still trans identified:
Representing the ladies is "detransjoy" who seems to have become a sort of anti woke youtuber, she uploads a lot of videos:
And last is ZombieSMT, who is a minecraft youtuber or something, I guess:
I'm having trouble grabbing entire channels with PreserveTube, so I'm just grabbing the most relevant videos.
First is Max Wayfarer with a video titled "How I ruined my life", he talks a lot about the health side effects he had because of estrogen, apparently it fucked his eyes up:
Next is LaRell, this one includes some cringy videos he made when he was still trans identified:
Representing the ladies is "detransjoy" who seems to have become a sort of anti woke youtuber, she uploads a lot of videos:
And last is ZombieSMT, who is a minecraft youtuber or something, I guess:
I'm having trouble grabbing entire channels with PreserveTube, so I'm just grabbing the most relevant videos.
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Pooners tend to detrans more often, from my observation, so it's interesting to see increasing numbers of these videos from males who are detransitioning.
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idk if they detrans more often or that their detransition is more visible, troons can generally go back to presenting as a guy any time they want with little to no effort, pooners are often permanently masculinized to at least some extent
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So what this line, appearing after the details of her rushing the clinic employees, tells me is that she just had/has ZERO sense of identity. Like those guys who are always switching between extremely strict diets like it's going to unlock the universe and make the clouds in the sky spell out the meaning of life, when really, the meaning of a man's life is whatever he chooses to do.
Trannies are a bit like Canada, aren't they? Desperately trying to declare an identity or "character sheet", without ever understand that who you are is whatever you're doing already. You are your body, your choices in life, and your likes and dislikes. You're already you, and the fact that the entire world isn't constantly noticing you doesn't mean that you "don't exist".
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I didn't watch the whole thing, just turned it on long enough to hear the voice and read your summary. A few things jump out:
-She absolutely could go back. She has a very feminine round face. If she stopped getting haircuts that make her look like a retarded 8 year old boy, she'd pass just fine. For whatever reason, suggesting this is seen as some kind of high crime of misogyny. But here is the brutal reality: normal people, who are within the bounds of normalcy and who have not fucked their bodies up, can have a lot more leeway with fashion and style without being ambiguous and getting "misgendered." This goes for both men and women. But if you are outside the norm- either because of your own dumb choices, or because of being a victim of fate, medical malpractice, whatever- then if not being "misgendered" matters to you, you are going to have to work at it more. And in the age of rampant troonery this is more the case than it was before.
-Her voice is a little low and gravely but taking simple voice lessons- not troon shit, but doreme, join the choir- could normalize it.
-Why is she sperging about wigs? I guess the ballcap might be covering extreme baldness but from the sides it doesn't look like it. Eat your fucking vegetables and your hair will grow, idiot.
She will only be "seen as an MTF" if she stays in her retarded "queer" bubble. Go be normal and hang out with normies and things will normalize. Oh no- we can't have that! Oh well.
Wallace
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Mother of a trans kid goes to Reddit for reassurance after kid expresses regret about her double mastectomy.
Here's a blogpost that does a deeper dive into this person and the replies.
Here's a blogpost that does a deeper dive into this person and the replies.
Jamie Reed drew this post—in a Reddit community frequented by parents of “trans” kids—to my attention. The author describes herself as a “very confused mama” and briefly lays out her family’s story: her daughter came out as trans at age 14 (“very out of the blue”), something her parents “fully supported from day one.”
Under the sway of the trans narrative, her role as a mother—“to love and support my child no matter what”—got twisted around to mean things like following her child’s lead, finding a “really supportive endo[crinologist],” and making sure her daughter’s school treated her like a boy. With the support of her parents—and, of course, the involvement of her doctors—this girl started testosterone and underwent a double mastectomy.
But a few months after going under the knife, her daughter started to express regret, ultimately quitting testosterone, re-identifying as female, and distancing herself from her affirming parents (who still refer to her as their “son”):
She didn’t come to this conclusion by herself. She sought medical assistance for her distressed child. It’s possible that she shopped around for an affirming doctor (e.g., the “really supportive endo” she tracked down), but what patients and parents seek and what medical providers offer are two separate questions. No matter what patients and parents want, medical providers have a responsibility to ‘do no harm.’ The doctors involved in this young woman’s care harmed her.
She describes herself as a long-time active member of r/cisparenttranskid, saying she has “held hands with many of you through our journeys.” But now that her child’s “gender journey” has taken an unexpected detour—now that she “do[es]n’t really know where else to go” with her sense of guilt and horror—the community turns on her.
A few apologize in advance for their skepticism, leaving open the possibility that the mother’s post may be genuine, before belittling her family’s story as playing into a “common trope” about regret.
Others suggest that her child has fallen under the dangerous influence of “detransitioners. Or rather, ‘detransitioners.’” One trans-identified man suggests that the daughter’s expressions of regret and desire to return to her female identity may stem from the “success” of her transition!
Others suggest that the “son” must have “[fallen] down a rabbit hole of some sort.”
Others predict the daughter will “retransition,” like “many” detransitioners do:
Another commenter compares adolescent gender distress to a life-threatening cancer diagnosis:
Several insist on that “1%” regret/failure rate—whether to marginalize the mother’s experience (“This is a 1 percent scenario and very odd”) or to comfort her (“You could not have known that your kid would be in the 1%.”):
It can’t be that a child can express a desire to transition, undergo years of therapy, clear “lots of check points,” and still end up with regret and distress and blame.
None of these parents will be able to sleep soundly at night if this mother’s story could one day be theirs.
Under the sway of the trans narrative, her role as a mother—“to love and support my child no matter what”—got twisted around to mean things like following her child’s lead, finding a “really supportive endo[crinologist],” and making sure her daughter’s school treated her like a boy. With the support of her parents—and, of course, the involvement of her doctors—this girl started testosterone and underwent a double mastectomy.
But a few months after going under the knife, her daughter started to express regret, ultimately quitting testosterone, re-identifying as female, and distancing herself from her affirming parents (who still refer to her as their “son”):
This family is in a terrible position and the mother is wracked by guilt, unsure whether she did right or wrong by her child. It’s clear she tried to do right. I believe her when she says all she ever wanted was for her child to feel “loved, supported, and secure.” She came to believe that loving, supporting, and protecting her child required affirming her child’s trans identity.
She didn’t come to this conclusion by herself. She sought medical assistance for her distressed child. It’s possible that she shopped around for an affirming doctor (e.g., the “really supportive endo” she tracked down), but what patients and parents seek and what medical providers offer are two separate questions. No matter what patients and parents want, medical providers have a responsibility to ‘do no harm.’ The doctors involved in this young woman’s care harmed her.
She describes herself as a long-time active member of r/cisparenttranskid, saying she has “held hands with many of you through our journeys.” But now that her child’s “gender journey” has taken an unexpected detour—now that she “do[es]n’t really know where else to go” with her sense of guilt and horror—the community turns on her.
A few apologize in advance for their skepticism, leaving open the possibility that the mother’s post may be genuine, before belittling her family’s story as playing into a “common trope” about regret.
Others suggest that her child has fallen under the dangerous influence of “detransitioners. Or rather, ‘detransitioners.’” One trans-identified man suggests that the daughter’s expressions of regret and desire to return to her female identity may stem from the “success” of her transition!
Yes, perhaps the daughter’s transition was so successful that she pulled away from the trans community and then fell in with a “hate group” after being “love-bomb[ed].” This is the most parsimonious explanation.
Others suggest that the “son” must have “[fallen] down a rabbit hole of some sort.”
Others predict the daughter will “retransition,” like “many” detransitioners do:
Therefore, the mother, the doctors, the world were not too supportive of a child’s mistaken trans identification but rather not supportive enough! (Somehow the answer to failures of gender-affirming care is always more affirmation, not less!)
Another commenter compares adolescent gender distress to a life-threatening cancer diagnosis:
What parent could have done otherwise?
Several insist on that “1%” regret/failure rate—whether to marginalize the mother’s experience (“This is a 1 percent scenario and very odd”) or to comfort her (“You could not have known that your kid would be in the 1%.”):
In other words, this mother’s account must be fake, designed to provoke parental anxieties. Or if not fake than rare (1%!). Or if not fake or rare than reversible (she’ll surely retransition!). Or if not fake or rare or reversible, then the child must have “fall[en] down a rabbithole” or gotten herself “involved in some religion/cult.”
It can’t be that a child can express a desire to transition, undergo years of therapy, clear “lots of check points,” and still end up with regret and distress and blame.
None of these parents will be able to sleep soundly at night if this mother’s story could one day be theirs.
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This kind of story is going to become increasingly common over the next decade.
Gender ideology destroys families.
I think it was Helen Joyce, that said that when all of this is falling apart, the people who will continue to defend it till the very end, till their dying breath, are the parents who transition their kids. If they were to accept that all of this stuff is wrong and not substantiated they'd have to face the fact that they've done something monstrous, even if they were coerced, they've fucked up their kid, and it didn't need to happen. That kind of guilt kills a person.
Cripple Crayon
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My daughter got sucked into the cult when she was 11. Our story is painfully typical. It was a mix of social contagion, social media, and mental health struggles during the onset of puberty. I still hate myself for allowing her as much freedom as I did on the internet. She never told me or her father, I found out on my own one day while tidying up her room. Drawings and journal entries talking about how she was now a gay, trans boy. I lost my shit. I told her she is absolutely not a boy, never will be, and she better never try to socially transition behind my back at school. In retrospect this was a pretty shit way to confront her. All it did was drive her deeper into the cult.
She went to a guidance counselor at her school and told this woman she is trans and wants to socially transition. The counselor was more than happy to oblige. Again, I only found out when I decided to look at her school laptop. Before that the counselor called me to let me know my daughter was depressed and experiencing suicidal thoughts. She left out the part where she instructed all of my daughters teachers to begin calling her Vincent and to use he/him pronouns for her. After finding this out I once again lost my shit. I called the principal and vice principal. The principal basically told me, "Well this is school policy. If your child says they're trans we have to respect that, sorry." I requested a meeting with the superintendent. She basically told me the same thing. "Lol sorry, your child has rights, we're gonna call her a boy now." When I tell you it took everything in me to not leap across that table and beat her bloody..
Her father and I desperately wanted to pull her from the school and put her in private school. We didn't have the money. We were terrified to pull her and have her do online schooling. She was self harming and I was afraid she'd do something even more drastic. We got her into therapy through a Christian counseling service. Since they are the only ones in the field you can trust at this point to not affirm. It didn't seem to help much but it was better than nothing. At this point I knew I had to swallow my rage and focus on planting seeds. Small comments, small questions that I hoped would chip away at her delusion. The next year and half went by in a blur. We were all miserable. I have been through a lot of shit in my life. Absolutely nothing compares to the hell of having a gender confused child being affirmed by absolute fucking retards without your consent. The anger and despair ate away at me daily. My relationship with my daughter felt so broken. She had been conditioned to view me as an enemy. I found out just this year that cunt counselor secretly urged my daughter to call CPS on me and her Dad. Because we refused to affirm. I still occasionally fantasize about walking into her office and beating the fuck out of her.
After nearly two years of despair I began to notice changes. She began gravitating back towards makeup and feminine clothes. She began making small derogatory comments about troons. Until finally one day she came to me and said she wasn't trans anymore. She told me she began to feel uncomfortable when her friends called her by her fake name or used male pronouns for her. She began to notice that all the girls in her school who ID as trans (there are MANY) all look, speak, and act the same way. It started to just not make sense to her anymore. So, she dropped it. She's 14 now, and completely against trans ideology. She has realized she's a girl who just doesn't feel the need to conform to every feminine gender stereotype. Our relationship has improved greatly. She no longer views me or her father as enemies. I broke down and cried when she told me we saved her by not giving into her demands.
So, basically, fuck trannies, fuck their supporters, fuck the guidance counselors, fuck the entire public school system. They helped make life hell for my family for two years. All over a "true and inherent" identity that my daughter inevitably grew out of.
She went to a guidance counselor at her school and told this woman she is trans and wants to socially transition. The counselor was more than happy to oblige. Again, I only found out when I decided to look at her school laptop. Before that the counselor called me to let me know my daughter was depressed and experiencing suicidal thoughts. She left out the part where she instructed all of my daughters teachers to begin calling her Vincent and to use he/him pronouns for her. After finding this out I once again lost my shit. I called the principal and vice principal. The principal basically told me, "Well this is school policy. If your child says they're trans we have to respect that, sorry." I requested a meeting with the superintendent. She basically told me the same thing. "Lol sorry, your child has rights, we're gonna call her a boy now." When I tell you it took everything in me to not leap across that table and beat her bloody..
Her father and I desperately wanted to pull her from the school and put her in private school. We didn't have the money. We were terrified to pull her and have her do online schooling. She was self harming and I was afraid she'd do something even more drastic. We got her into therapy through a Christian counseling service. Since they are the only ones in the field you can trust at this point to not affirm. It didn't seem to help much but it was better than nothing. At this point I knew I had to swallow my rage and focus on planting seeds. Small comments, small questions that I hoped would chip away at her delusion. The next year and half went by in a blur. We were all miserable. I have been through a lot of shit in my life. Absolutely nothing compares to the hell of having a gender confused child being affirmed by absolute fucking retards without your consent. The anger and despair ate away at me daily. My relationship with my daughter felt so broken. She had been conditioned to view me as an enemy. I found out just this year that cunt counselor secretly urged my daughter to call CPS on me and her Dad. Because we refused to affirm. I still occasionally fantasize about walking into her office and beating the fuck out of her.
After nearly two years of despair I began to notice changes. She began gravitating back towards makeup and feminine clothes. She began making small derogatory comments about troons. Until finally one day she came to me and said she wasn't trans anymore. She told me she began to feel uncomfortable when her friends called her by her fake name or used male pronouns for her. She began to notice that all the girls in her school who ID as trans (there are MANY) all look, speak, and act the same way. It started to just not make sense to her anymore. So, she dropped it. She's 14 now, and completely against trans ideology. She has realized she's a girl who just doesn't feel the need to conform to every feminine gender stereotype. Our relationship has improved greatly. She no longer views me or her father as enemies. I broke down and cried when she told me we saved her by not giving into her demands.
So, basically, fuck trannies, fuck their supporters, fuck the guidance counselors, fuck the entire public school system. They helped make life hell for my family for two years. All over a "true and inherent" identity that my daughter inevitably grew out of.
Squishie PP
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You know how everyone who went through college post-2010 was indoctrinated? They have graduated and infiltrated all other institutions. Consider the entire field of medicine, the education system, and anything that typically requires college-level expertise to be compromised by people who believe that they are in the right to turn your children against you.
Consider yourself lucky. The outcome could have been much, much worse had she not starting noticing patterns.
Cripple Crayon
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It was very interesting to me that the cunt counselor didn't call CPS herself. If she truly thought my daughter was being abused, she would have been well within her rights as a mandatory reporter to do so. Maybe somewhere in her brainwashed mind she realized that simply not affirming wouldn't be enough to have our child taken from us in our red state. My daughter also told me last year that this woman suddenly changed her pronouns to she/they. Most likely to seem more appealing and "safe" to her grooming victims within the middle school.
I consider our family to be extremely lucky. I had two long years to envision all the horror that could befall my daughter if she didn't wake up.
Squishie PP
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The counselor wanted plausible deniability.