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Kiwibros, it's time to consider horsemaxxing with horse electrolytes:
Emergency / Prepper foods - Preparing for the inevitable Nuclear Apocalypse / Chinese invasion / Ragnarok / Second American Civil War / Super Smallpox / FEMA camps / Yellowstone Supervolcano / Second Coming of Christ / etc etc...
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I was poking through my archive of the ancient (2009?) Everything A /k/ommando Needs and this was in the Survival section. I couldn't help but laugh at the name.
"Hamburger Rocks" are small chunks of cooked, dehydrated, fresh beef. They will store effectively for two or more years. Once rehydrated by soaking one cup of rocks in two cups of boiled water, the pre-cooked meat can be used in any recipe. It is delicious for tacos, spaghetti sauce, hamburger helper, tamale pie, lasagna, or your favorite recipe. It is very difficult to distinguish from fresh hamburger in a meal!
Regular ground hamburger turns into small "rocks," some "gravel," and a little "sand" when dried. Miles grinds rump roast and pot roast in a #2 Universal meat chopper using the 3-bladed cutter, and now we get almost all "rocks," very little gravel, and virtually no "sand." And the yield is higher too, as there is not as much fat to melt away. Still, be prepared to cry when you make the first batch, as 6 pounds of perfectly good roast will dehydrate into only one (1) quart of hamburger rocks!
RECIPE FOR HAMBURGER ROCKS
1.Using a large skillet (cast iron is great), brown and fry 5 pounds of ground beef. When thoroughly cooked, transfer the meat to a colander. Rinse under hot running water to remove the fat. Then clean the skillet with paper towels to remove excess fat from the first cooking.
2.Place the washed meat back into the wiped skillet and fry it again over medium/low heat, stirring often until you see no more steam. Keep the heat/flame low once the rocks are browning up nicely.
3.Place the "twice cooked" rocks into an oven roasting pan. Turn the oven to 200 degrees F, stirring and turning occasionally as the meat continues to dry. One to two hours should finish the job. Remove from the oven and check for dryness. When cool, pack into zip lock bags or mason jars. Pack tightly, expelling as much air as possible. Store in pantry drawers or shelves.
Tip: Don't forget to buy and use mouse traps in your larder. Mice will make mince meat out of packaged foods before the uninvited house pests are even noticed by the family cat! Glass jars are the safest method of mouse-proof storage. Storing zip lock bags in heavy food grade 5 gallon buckets is the next safest alternative.[/spoiler[
Regular ground hamburger turns into small "rocks," some "gravel," and a little "sand" when dried. Miles grinds rump roast and pot roast in a #2 Universal meat chopper using the 3-bladed cutter, and now we get almost all "rocks," very little gravel, and virtually no "sand." And the yield is higher too, as there is not as much fat to melt away. Still, be prepared to cry when you make the first batch, as 6 pounds of perfectly good roast will dehydrate into only one (1) quart of hamburger rocks!
RECIPE FOR HAMBURGER ROCKS
1.Using a large skillet (cast iron is great), brown and fry 5 pounds of ground beef. When thoroughly cooked, transfer the meat to a colander. Rinse under hot running water to remove the fat. Then clean the skillet with paper towels to remove excess fat from the first cooking.
2.Place the washed meat back into the wiped skillet and fry it again over medium/low heat, stirring often until you see no more steam. Keep the heat/flame low once the rocks are browning up nicely.
3.Place the "twice cooked" rocks into an oven roasting pan. Turn the oven to 200 degrees F, stirring and turning occasionally as the meat continues to dry. One to two hours should finish the job. Remove from the oven and check for dryness. When cool, pack into zip lock bags or mason jars. Pack tightly, expelling as much air as possible. Store in pantry drawers or shelves.
Tip: Don't forget to buy and use mouse traps in your larder. Mice will make mince meat out of packaged foods before the uninvited house pests are even noticed by the family cat! Glass jars are the safest method of mouse-proof storage. Storing zip lock bags in heavy food grade 5 gallon buckets is the next safest alternative.[/spoiler[
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Near as I can tell, the canonically correct move is to ensure that you die valiantly fighting against impossible odds, preferably taking as many of your enemies with you as possible. So, maybe get red-flagged and make sure that when the three-letter guys come for your guns, they get the bullets first?
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Iodized salt. If there ever was a period of extended supply chain disruption this would be something that would be nearly impossible to obtain. It's something that's cheap and basically never expires. Salt is used in just about everything but the main importance is in food preservation. Iodine is also an essential nutrient, and iodine deficiency can lead to hypothyroidism and goiter. Iodized salt provides more than an adequate supply of nutritional iodide.
Second one the list is anhydrous caffeine. Anhydrous caffeine is an ingredient you often find in pre-workout formulations and is a dehydrated form of caffeine. It takes up much less weight and space than something like instant coffee, doesn't require any preparation and has a far longer shelf life. You can buy this in bulk, for around 500 grams (equivalent to nearly 5555 cups of coffee) in powder form for around $40 to $60 USD. It is a shelf stable product and as long as it's stored in a cool and dry place with little moisture it would probably last a long time, upwards of 10 years. This is something you could also probably vacuum seal. Add in some silica packet oxygen absorbers and I imagine you could store it indefinitely.
Also you can buy a 25 kilogram bucket, or 263,158 cups of coffee equivalent.
Third is honey. I have no idea how it hasn't been mentioned in this thread already but honey also has a near indefinite shelf life and a high caloric value. It's nutritionally dense, contains antioxidants and can be used as a substitute for sugar. It can be somewhat expensive to buy but if you are anticipating a SHFT-EOTWAWKI event this is something you want to have on hand.
Fourth is ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), Methylcobalamin (Vitamin B-12), Thiamine hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), and niacinmide (Vitamin B3) in dry powder form. These are four essential vitamins that you cannot live without. Even if you had your caloric needs covered, it's still likely you would end up with nutritional deficinies in these four areas. Without access to fresh vegetables or fruits your diet would be severely lacking in Vitamin C, which leads to Vitamin C deficiency, or scurvy. Scurvy ultimately kills you and it's one of the worst ways to go. Humans cannot synthesize Vitamin C, Vitamin B1, B3, or B12 by themselves. B12 deficiency is often overlooked, and even without the supply chain collapsing or some apocalyptic event, upwards of 20% of Americans have a minor B12 deficiency. Insufficient intake of B12 over a long enough period of time will lead to B12 anemia and a progressive weakening of the nervous system. B12 is found in animal products like meat and eggs, and assuming all you have access to is shelf stable food than this might not be possible.
Thiamine deficiency leads to a condition called Beriberi and leads to serious impact on the cardiovascular and nervous system. Niacin deficiency leads to pellagra,
The reason I recommend these on their own instead of something like a multivitamin is that multivitamins will not have the same stability.
Proper storage for dry vitamin powders should be mylar bags + oxygen absorbers or vaccum seal + oxygen absorbers, stored in something like a Leaktite bucket with a gasket.
In most of the world, food is required to be fortified with certain essential vitamins and minerals to help prevent widespread nutrient deficiencies in the population. This is why people aren't walking around with beriberi or goiter. In America certain foods are actually required to be enriched with certain nutrients for example refined grains like bread and pasta are required to have iron and B-vitamins. If this wasn't the case, the average American diet would not have adequate intake. People had a lot of horrible fucked up diseases before modern nutritional and dietary standards came into being. Even if you were able to completely get your own food supply up and running, it would still be difficult to match the current modern industrial standards of nutrition. This is why if you are serious about long term food storage to get these things on their own. Autistic, yes, but completely overlooked.
Also as a quick sidenote. "mypatriotsupply" or whatever freeze-dried meal packages grift BS that's sold now fucking sucks. It is indeed food and sustenance that would definitely get you through an emergency but the quality is so low and the price is so high it's much better to just buy stuff yourself. The macronutrient profile is also very poor, with little protein and fats, and most of the calorie content coming from pure carbohydrates. This is not what you want for long term food supply. From the sites I've looked at they are almost always fraudulent in their labeling, often saying that the "kits" they sell are for "30" or "60" days with "a million calories", and then half of that milion calories being like kool-aid powder or something. The only real advantage to freeze dried food over something like regular canned goods you can get from any supermarket is weight and space reduction. But this really shouldn't matter if your plan is just to put it in your pantry or in a 5 gallon leaktite bucket in your closet. Mountain House meals are good for camping though, it's really the only brand of "freeze dried meals" that are edible and have a good macronutrient profile, with a high amount of protein. The problem is they are incredibly expensive.
Second one the list is anhydrous caffeine. Anhydrous caffeine is an ingredient you often find in pre-workout formulations and is a dehydrated form of caffeine. It takes up much less weight and space than something like instant coffee, doesn't require any preparation and has a far longer shelf life. You can buy this in bulk, for around 500 grams (equivalent to nearly 5555 cups of coffee) in powder form for around $40 to $60 USD. It is a shelf stable product and as long as it's stored in a cool and dry place with little moisture it would probably last a long time, upwards of 10 years. This is something you could also probably vacuum seal. Add in some silica packet oxygen absorbers and I imagine you could store it indefinitely.
Also you can buy a 25 kilogram bucket, or 263,158 cups of coffee equivalent.
Third is honey. I have no idea how it hasn't been mentioned in this thread already but honey also has a near indefinite shelf life and a high caloric value. It's nutritionally dense, contains antioxidants and can be used as a substitute for sugar. It can be somewhat expensive to buy but if you are anticipating a SHFT-EOTWAWKI event this is something you want to have on hand.
Fourth is ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), Methylcobalamin (Vitamin B-12), Thiamine hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), and niacinmide (Vitamin B3) in dry powder form. These are four essential vitamins that you cannot live without. Even if you had your caloric needs covered, it's still likely you would end up with nutritional deficinies in these four areas. Without access to fresh vegetables or fruits your diet would be severely lacking in Vitamin C, which leads to Vitamin C deficiency, or scurvy. Scurvy ultimately kills you and it's one of the worst ways to go. Humans cannot synthesize Vitamin C, Vitamin B1, B3, or B12 by themselves. B12 deficiency is often overlooked, and even without the supply chain collapsing or some apocalyptic event, upwards of 20% of Americans have a minor B12 deficiency. Insufficient intake of B12 over a long enough period of time will lead to B12 anemia and a progressive weakening of the nervous system. B12 is found in animal products like meat and eggs, and assuming all you have access to is shelf stable food than this might not be possible.
Thiamine deficiency leads to a condition called Beriberi and leads to serious impact on the cardiovascular and nervous system. Niacin deficiency leads to pellagra,
The reason I recommend these on their own instead of something like a multivitamin is that multivitamins will not have the same stability.
Proper storage for dry vitamin powders should be mylar bags + oxygen absorbers or vaccum seal + oxygen absorbers, stored in something like a Leaktite bucket with a gasket.
In most of the world, food is required to be fortified with certain essential vitamins and minerals to help prevent widespread nutrient deficiencies in the population. This is why people aren't walking around with beriberi or goiter. In America certain foods are actually required to be enriched with certain nutrients for example refined grains like bread and pasta are required to have iron and B-vitamins. If this wasn't the case, the average American diet would not have adequate intake. People had a lot of horrible fucked up diseases before modern nutritional and dietary standards came into being. Even if you were able to completely get your own food supply up and running, it would still be difficult to match the current modern industrial standards of nutrition. This is why if you are serious about long term food storage to get these things on their own. Autistic, yes, but completely overlooked.
Also as a quick sidenote. "mypatriotsupply" or whatever freeze-dried meal packages grift BS that's sold now fucking sucks. It is indeed food and sustenance that would definitely get you through an emergency but the quality is so low and the price is so high it's much better to just buy stuff yourself. The macronutrient profile is also very poor, with little protein and fats, and most of the calorie content coming from pure carbohydrates. This is not what you want for long term food supply. From the sites I've looked at they are almost always fraudulent in their labeling, often saying that the "kits" they sell are for "30" or "60" days with "a million calories", and then half of that milion calories being like kool-aid powder or something. The only real advantage to freeze dried food over something like regular canned goods you can get from any supermarket is weight and space reduction. But this really shouldn't matter if your plan is just to put it in your pantry or in a 5 gallon leaktite bucket in your closet. Mountain House meals are good for camping though, it's really the only brand of "freeze dried meals" that are edible and have a good macronutrient profile, with a high amount of protein. The problem is they are incredibly expensive.
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Do not die on the toilet. People who die on the toilet do not get to go to Valhalla, and do not get to fight against the jötnar alongside Odin.
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I heard canned food doesn’t expire but some cans have expiration date's is it bullshit to get you to buy more
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Canned tomato products and other acidic foods eat through the can. The ends bulge out before they explode. Other foods will lose some nutritional value and taste. Best to rotate all canned goods (eat what you store). You need good food if SHTF.
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Lets say youre going to be in a bunker for 10-20 years what canned food or mres would you bring that wouldnt expire
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#10 cans of freeze-dried/dehyrated veggies, fruit, meat, cheese(!), pasta, flour, milk powder, a selection of spices-in other words, store ingredients, not meals.
Mormons let anyone buy food in #10 cans from them. Look up your local Home Storage Center. Honeyville is another good source and has cheap shipping on cases (6 cans).
Mormons let anyone buy food in #10 cans from them. Look up your local Home Storage Center. Honeyville is another good source and has cheap shipping on cases (6 cans).
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Storing anhydrous caffeine scares the shit out of me, since I believe 100 cups of coffee is a fatal dose 50% of the time and a near fatal dose the other 50% of the time. Storing a powder that could kill me dozens, hundreds or thousands of times over is just terrifying. This sounds like a terrible idea if literal children have access to it. I like the rest of the suggestions, but the anhydrous caffeine terrifies me.
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Opened an 8 year old can of vegetable soup once. Can confirm canned food can expire, the smell was unreal
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I want to store food in mylar bags for the first time. I've got some Chinesium pack like this (not my purchase), plenty of oxygen absorbers, and several 5 gallon buckets. These bags have zippers up top, but I think those are for convenience and you still need to heat seal with a hair straightener.
Any tips? I think someone mentioned putting them in a bigger vacuum storage bag to help suck excess air out that way.
Any tips? I think someone mentioned putting them in a bigger vacuum storage bag to help suck excess air out that way.
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Mostly rice and oats to start, like 80 lbs total. I could do other things but those are the most likely to have a weevil issue.
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For the people mentioning scurvy - if you're concerned with the shelf life of canned fruits sauerkraut and kimchi will accomplish the same thing and as far as I know have indefinite shelf lives.