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[Stab You in the Back]

Picked up the New Mutants: Asgardian Wars Epic Collection on a lark. Forgot how good superhero comics can be. This volume is hilarious. The New Mutants get wrecked by Shadow King, then they get wrecked by Loki, then they get wrecked by Magneto, then they get straight up murked by the Beyonder, then they get brought back to life only to wrecked by a fucking third string Hellion. Best moment is just a one off segment where Sunspot tries to save a woman, but as he's preparing to do it, She Hulk jumps in and steals the spotlight.

Only awkward part is Claremont's obsession with Storm. Storm is a great character, but he writes her in the most Mary Sue-ish manner. Loki's plan straight up involves making her the new Thor because she's the most spectacular woman who has ever lived. Gimme a fucking break!

Most overrated?

Cucka, terrible comics that ruined the titles. Scott Snyder. A decade later and everyone of the best artists at DC and nothing worthwhile to show for it. Maybe Morrison? Though I think he's actually pretty divisive.

At the time I stopped reading Batman comics: Jeph Loeb. Long Halloween was overrated trash and Hush was just more of the same. I hate when bad writers are gifted with great artists, because it allows them to coast for way too long.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I hate when bad writers are gifted with great artists, because it allows them to coast for way too long.

Tom King's career in a nutshell

 

[TATE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!]

Hey nerds, I wanna buy some DC and Marvel comics and need help.

The main titles I'm looking for is Superman, The Punisher, The Hulk, She-Hulk and The Flash.

I'd like to buy omnibus' but I don't know where to begin. I'm also interested in pre-2000s (maybe pre 90s) mostly because I prefer the art and writing before then.

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

 

[Burt Ryan]

Hey nerds, I wanna buy some DC and Marvel comics and need help.

The main titles I'm looking for is Superman, The Punisher, The Hulk, She-Hulk and The Flash.

I'd like to buy omnibus' but I don't know where to begin. I'm also interested in pre-2000s (maybe pre 90s) mostly because I prefer the art and writing before then.

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

For Punisher I recommend anything written by Garth Ennis.

 

[Humble Architect]

Hey nerds, I wanna buy some DC and Marvel comics and need help.

The main titles I'm looking for is Superman, The Punisher, The Hulk, She-Hulk and The Flash.

I'd like to buy omnibus' but I don't know where to begin. I'm also interested in pre-2000s (maybe pre 90s) mostly because I prefer the art and writing before then.

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

For Hulk, Peter David’s run is mandatory reading. It has its ups and downs (the Pantheon stuff will make you wanna put a bullet in your head) but it’s peak is Future Imperfect, the story that really solidified that Banner’s greatest enemy is always going to be himself.

For Superman, start with John Byrne’s Man of Steel, that’s the introduction to the Post-Crisis Superman.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

for superman omnibuses i'd suggest Exiled

 

[Marzipan Apple]

Hey nerds, I wanna buy some DC and Marvel comics and need help.

The main titles I'm looking for is Superman, The Punisher, The Hulk, She-Hulk and The Flash.

I'd like to buy omnibus' but I don't know where to begin. I'm also interested in pre-2000s (maybe pre 90s) mostly because I prefer the art and writing before then.

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

For DC, generally any series that immediately follows the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot is a good jumping on point, Superman included.
Start with John Byrne's Man of Steel miniseries and go from there. The storylines eventually start to interconnect between several different series and creative teams, so omnibuses are definitely the least confusing way to read it.

Flash was similarly rebooted after the Crisis. The rebooted series had a long-lived run by William Messner-Loebs, but the stories were kind of mediocre and inconsequential, and AFAIK they're still not fully collected in TPB. It didn't start getting attention until Mark Waid took over writing for the series from issue #62. I'd recommend starting from there.

The only Punisher comics most people care about are the Garth Ennis ones. Start with the Marvel Knights series, which includes some extremely iconic Punisher stories, then move on to the Max series.

Similar to Punisher, most people only care about one specific She-Hulk run: John Byrne's. Unfortunately, reading it is not easy. Omnibuses are usually pretty expensive and not well organized. Steve Gerber and many other writers took over for large chunks of the series, and omnibuses collect their runs separately from Byrne's. Here are volumes 1 and 2 for Byrne's She-Hulk comics, and if you're a completionist, here are two more which collect the rest of the series.

I don't know much about Hulk, so I unfortunately can't help you with that. The only thing I can tell you is that Peter David's run is very well regarded by most Hulk fans.

I would also recommend Mark Waid's Legion of Superheroes and Dan Jurgens' Thor, which are personal favorites of mine. Unfortunately, I can't find decently priced omnibus collections for them.

 

[jspit2.0]

Hey nerds, I wanna buy some DC and Marvel comics and need help.

The main titles I'm looking for is Superman, The Punisher, The Hulk, She-Hulk and The Flash.

Superman is poorly collected. Loeb For All Seasons, Byrne MoS. IF you're doing floppy.....

Post Byrne is on older paper but solid. Nothing beats that period from around Exile to the Perez year. Amazing artwork. Then there's the Triangle years, which are nice up until I want to say 97. (It gets really bad for two years....

Loeb/Kelly run from the 00's to I wanna say 02 is solid gold, Superman #151 until I want to say 180? (don't quote me). EdMC on art, fun stories. Kelly is a nice, more serious chaser. Love his Supergirls three parter at the end of his run, really underrated classic.

Honorable mention: Supergirl by Leob, Kelley Puckett and Gates are golden. The Puckett's run is a solid trade's worth and really top notch. Superboy by Karl Kessel and tom Grummett 1-30.

Punisher, Mike Baron's run, Chuck Dixon's run. Both collected. If you like it, pick up Carl Potts with Jim Lee. If you can stomach him and Dillon's art, there's also Ennis.

Flash is easy. It's Wally West's entire series. But if you're looking for collections they've collected Mike Baron's run, Mark Waid (starts slow, gets really good, Peters out) Johns run (not as good) and Morrison with Millar (solid).

She-hulk goes Sensational with John Byrne (collected in an omnibus and trades) and Dan Slott's run. Everything else is terrible at worst to slop like PAD's run that isn't very good.

Hulk is tough. PAD's run dominates the book. I recommend the McFarlane era, Dale Kewon, then when things hit Gary Frank it's time to drop it.

I'd like to buy omnibus' but I don't know where to begin.

Marvel does great artists collections. Do you have someone you like? You can't go wrong with Marvel Universe by, say, Frank Miller/John Byrne etc. A great cross section of talent and titles. DC kindof sucks at it, but they have some too.

I'm also interested in pre-2000s (maybe pre 90s) mostly because I prefer the art and writing before then.

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

Those are the ones everyone gets starting out...

Well. Omnibus wise Frank Miller Daredevil, obviously. There's Neal Adams Batman and Deadman. there's others.

for superman omnibuses i'd suggest Exiled

I hate they didn't follow it up, but oh yes. Great art and wonderful story.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Any other suggestions for other heroes, even for stuff like Spider-Man and Batman (already got the dark knight books and killing joke), is welcomed.

For Spider-Man, Marvel's been pretty good at collecting the early pre-'90s stuff in omnibuses. If you can handle '60s corniness, I'd suggest just starting from the beginning with Amazing Spider-Man Omnibus volume one. Spider-Man is very soap opera-y, so everything kinda connects and leads into the next story, with Peter's personal life changing pretty radically over the years. Spider-Man's comics were mostly solid from his debut up until about the 30th anniversary, although the Peter & MJ marriage a few years before that works well as a stopping point.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

although the Peter & MJ marriage a few years before that works well as a stopping point.

Honestly, if you end Spider-Man with Kraven's Last Hunt. That's a pretty soild end to the character

 

[TheClorax]

Man, they really botched Super-Sons, didn't they?

Jon could have been the definitive Superboy for a generation and editorial fucked it up for everyone because heroes growing up and having lives makes the primary readerbase feel old (see: Spider-Man).

I have a question for any Punisher fans on the board; Would the Punisher kill a non-offending pedo? Let’s say Frank gets the help of Xavier or Dr. Strange or someone like that to see the guy’s being honest, the guy never touched a kid, never even looked at CSAM… does Frank still put a bullet in him?

Depends on who's writing him. But in general, and if the guy just has urges he hasn't necessarily acted on? I'd probably say no. He'd scare the shit out of him because kids are a soft-spot for Frank, but if he hasn't done anything I can't really see why Frank would even bother with him, much less how he'd figure that out in the first place.

>Be me
>Think to myself; "Hey, I really liked the first few volumes of Immortal Hulk, I should finish up that run!"
>Look up the issue online
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Goddammit I can't escape tranny nonsense even in my big green muscle man comics...

This character kind of quit showing up after this moment, and the tranny aspect kinda fell by the wayside (though to be fair, there were moments prior to this panel hinting she was a tranny (flags and a mug on her desk).
Immortal Hulk is still a damn solid run and the best Hulk's had in a looong time. People just like to take 2 single pages and act like that was the entire comic.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Jon could have been the definitive Superboy for a generation and editorial fucked it up for everyone because heroes growing up and having lives makes the primary readerbase feel old (see: Spider-Man).

oh it was funny because the whole Jon Kent thing was linking child abuse and trauma to homosexuality without skipping a beat.

Depends on who's writing him. But in general, and if the guy just has urges he hasn't necessarily acted on? I'd probably say no. He'd scare the shit out of him because kids are a soft-spot for Frank, but if he hasn't done anything I can't really see why Frank would even bother with him, much less how he'd figure that out in the first place.

I think Frank just scares anyone who hasn't committed anything yet.

This character kind of quit showing up after this moment, and the tranny aspect kinda fell by the wayside (though to be fair, there were moments prior to this panel hinting she was a tranny (flags and a mug on her desk).
Immortal Hulk is still a damn solid run and the best Hulk's had in a looong time. People just like to take 2 single pages and act like that was the entire comic.

the tranny aspect is annoying, but it just makes them look bad lmfao.

Immortal Hulk was fun. Not the greatest, but we got a really good look at why the Hulk and even Bruce himself shouldn't be treated as an out and out hero. Bruce is a damaged man. He can do some good, sometimes. The Hulks can also do good sometimes. But, they're basically loose cannons at best.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

If you can handle '60s corniness, I'd suggest just starting from the beginning with Amazing Spider-Man Omnibus volume one.

Been struggling with reading Epic collection because of that honestly. It just didn't age well for me. Any good jumping points for modern era?

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Been struggling with reading Epic collection because of that honestly. It just didn't age well for me. Any good jumping points for modern era?

Not really. As far as I'm concerned, Spider-Man ended with the Final Chapter in the late '90s, continued into Spider-Girl, and finally definitively ended with Spider-Girl: The End.

Maybe try jumping ahead to the start of Gerry Conway's run with ASM #113 (technically he started a bit earlier but that's a better place to jump on at, iirc). It's less corny and Stan Lee, over the course of his 100+ issue run, had by then carved out a more definitive tone and style for Spider-Man (urban crime and street-level villains, rather than aliens and robots and stuff like that he tried doing in the first 30ish issues).

 

[TheClorax]

@jspit2.0

I will never see Kingdom Come as anything but boomers seething at how super heroes really are. It is basically a not muh supa hero and every antagonist in the series is written as toy devoid of thought just to make them agree with the writers perspectives.

The art is cool and all but the writing is so lame. Marvels is way better with ross art

Kingdom Come Superman is just as mopey and depressed as Injustice Superman, people just hate Injustice more because it's not drawn by Ross.
Kingdom Come revolves around Superman getting upset that the public aren't 'true fans' of superheroes and abandons them to be protected by vigilantes he thinks are dangerous, and then has his ego stroked for how right he was the whole time.
Neither are very good, but at least Injustice committed to the bit where Superman's loss cripples his morality, him, and it's consequences on the greater DC Universe.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Injustice was just a poor man's Squadron Supreme

 

[Registration]

Injustice was just a poor man's Squadron Supreme

Ir there is only one super hero comic that I wanted to be rebooted with the original team, is this.

But even then, they would probably blew it up.

Imagine having a black character being racist to white people, its not possible anymore

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Maybe try jumping ahead to the start of Gerry Conway's run with ASM #113 (technically he started a bit earlier but that's a better place to jump on at, iirc). It's less corny and Stan Lee, over the course of his 100+ issue run, had by then carved out a more definitive tone and style for Spider-Man (urban crime and street-level villains, rather than aliens and robots and stuff like that he tried doing in the first 30ish issues).

Reading this makes me wish that there was more demand for more reprints of Conway's run on Firestorm beyond Volume 1 and some of the Flash backups. While the character is vastly OP compared to Spider-Man, there are some strong similarities in tone and the book (until around the third year of volume 2) is something I'd recommend if you liked Spider in the seventies and eighties.

 

[TheClorax]

Injustice was just a poor man's Squadron Supreme

True. Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme is an absolute top-tier comic, and IMO has aged better as a 'Superhero Deconstruction' than Watchmen and it's contemporaries have.

Imagine having a black character being racist to white people, its not possible anymore

No, they'd keep that, but Nighthawk's racism would be unequivocally treated as a 'good thing' that keeps the other members of the Squadron 'aware of their privilage' or something, and not a character flaw at all.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

loved Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme