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Someone who realizes that SRS isn't the end all, be all?
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.
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Someone who realizes that SRS isn't the end all, be all?
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please donate.
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If TLL is staffed with the people we know it's staffed with they'd just dismiss anyone with SRS as truscum.
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Oh thats right, these guys while they talk about inclusiveness. They sure go to great lengths to segregate themselves.
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TLL is based in California, which is a two party consent state (i.e. if you make a recording you need the consent of both parties to do so.) So I would not recommend recording a call to TLL because it is illegal regardless of where you are based (pls lawyers correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Damn, I didn't even really consider that, thanks for pointing it out. I just figured it was presumably legal but couldn't be used as evidence in court or something like that. But I'm no legal expert, especially not in US law.
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There are workarounds, most often taken advantage of by law enforcement, but it's usually too involved for most to do.
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If someone outside of the States were to record TLL, it wouldn't be much Greta could do. Case in point, Vordrak.
Also, the same should apply for many Americans outside of California, since it's Californian and not federal law.
Also, the same should apply for many Americans outside of California, since it's Californian and not federal law.
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I'm not a US lawyer but I did find that there was a California Supreme Court decision in which it was found that if you are in a one-party consent state and recording a conversation with a California resident the two-party consent requirement applies.
Of course, I wasn't able to find anything on what happens if someone calls from outside the US entirely and records it.
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This is generally the case, although it is not illegal where you are actually doing it if it is a one party state. You are, however, breaking the law in California, and California could extradite you or the party in California could sue you. Or both.
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It's worth mentioning people in California record phone calls all the time, usually for prank calls. If you're smart then you won't get caught.
Ideally I'd still avoid it if you really don't know what you're doing. Greta is exactly the kind of person who would take any legal action possible if it means furthering his bullshit crusade.
Ideally I'd still avoid it if you really don't know what you're doing. Greta is exactly the kind of person who would take any legal action possible if it means furthering his bullshit crusade.
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When you call the hotline, you are greeted with the following message:
IANAL, so I have no idea if this actually matters or not.
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This is because most people don't give a shit enough about pranks to make it an issue, and even if someone is butthurt enough to try, most pranks aren't enough that the police care enough. If you actually do get prosecuted for it, though, "IT WAS A PRANK BRO" is not going to be a defense.
It does, because if you continue on with the call, you have consented to it, thus satisfying the requirement that all parties consent to recording. It's only illegal without consent.
Also, arguably, if you record a conversation that the other party is also recording, they have consented to it being recorded so a person doing that probably has a defense that they can't then turn around and claim they didn't in order to prosecute the other guy. But I'd talk to a lawyer before I'd try that.
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Tommy Tooter recorded himself calling a bunch of suicide lines including TLL
The thread's only 180 pages, people-- keep up.
The thread's only 180 pages, people-- keep up.
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timestamp for tll? idc about these other hotlines
https://www.poptox.com/
Or a non-American could fire up a proxy and use this service to call from outside America.
Nobody's going to bother tracking you down for recording a phone call, and even if they do they damn sure won't seek international extradition for it.
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he dials them up starting at 4:40. SPOILER: someone answers, it's boring
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So even though the majority of the people who take calls are not in California, the two party consent law still applies? Like if an operator answers a call in a one-party consent state from a suicidal person in a one-party state, both need to approve being recorded because TLL is based in California?
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As
points out, it may be moot. By saying they're recording the call they are implicitly giving you consent to record it yourself under the two party law. Not that it'll stop Greta from trying to prosecute anyone who uses the call to prove the hotline is a load.
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That's really fucked up and exactly the kind of stuff TLL shouldn't be doing. Your friend should write that down and post it online.
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I have screencaps, I'll ask for permission to post them