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WelperHelper99 said:
I called Vance winning early in the night btw and you DOOMERS gave me rainbows lol. Vance is a fucking tiger. He's slick, sharp, and knows his topics. I can also tell he took a lot of debate classes, the man knows how to pivot out of bad points and topics.
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Vance is a white goy from flyover country who got into Yale Law. If you aren't a Jew or DEI admit, you do not get into Yale Law unless you're whip smart.
 
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namelesstacotruck said:
The real reason Trump chose Vance is really simple. Vance got elected by Trumps base in 2022 and they share a power base that Trump controls.

Vance CANNOT turn on Trump. His base of political power would collapse. He is too junior to have deep connections to the Republican party as well. Every other Republican can.
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Vance is impeachment/assassination insurance. Remove Trump, get someone even more effective at all the same things.
 
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Necrosan said:
If the school shooter line wasn't there my favorite from Walz would've been "I'm a knucklehead, I make mistakes, that's why I was voted into Congress!" or something like that and I don't think he realized how that sounded either.
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Yep I actually edited my comment right before this with the knucklehead statement. While knucklehead can be an endearing term. It's not a good look when you are running for the 2nd highest position in the nation, while calling yourself a knucklehead. If Kamala would call herself a ditz I would take it the same way.

You want the highest mental faculty in office. Especially following Biden as most Americans are sick and tired of a lack of mental faculty in charge of the country.
 
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namelesstacotruck said:
Vance undid most of the successful attacks on him of being weird, extreme, et cetra. He got fucking Walz to agree that hes a normal dude and got Walz to shake his head in agreement with him constantly.
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True, and I'm not going to say Vance did poorly because he didn't. He did better than I expected.

However, that sort of courtesy works both ways and as someone who would never in a million years describe myself as a leftist, Walz came across as personable. I liked that he too agreed with Vance on doing more for certain issues (Healthcare, Housing, Energy,) and willing to accept that at least some of the reasons (such as mental health and immigration) that Republicans give "play" a role in some of it whereas the standard Democrat line is to ignore or dismiss them. Vance did the same thing as well for Walz. Both men generally came across as reasonable (I say generally for a reason, if "Hate Speech isn't Free Speech" is the standard for whether you think someone comes across as normal, then yeah Walz failed big time uttering that line likewise with Vance not saying whether he believes the 2020 election was legitimate).

I'm not an American so it doesn't ultimately matter what I think, but I just thought I'd throw it out there as there seems to be a lot of people that think Vance dunked all over Walz and I didn't see it that way.
 
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Necrosan said:
I actually agree but I don't think Walz had it in him, he looked shaky even when things were super civil.
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I think he just got alpha'd and didn't want to get into a shit flinging contest with someone who outclasses him so specifically in every way, Vance came from actual poverty and hardship, was an actual war veteran, went to a Ivy league university, sold a successful book that got a movie made about it, all without the same level of controversy or lies Walz has around him, while also being a good 20 years younger. Not trying to suck off Vance here, but the only thing Walz might have thought he had going for him was the competence of experience, but I think he realized very fast why Vance is so much more accomplished than him.
 
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Vibralldo said:
A decisive victory for Vance
Between this and Trump doing more for the hurricane victims than Kamala or even Biden did. All Trump has to do is leave this as the final debate everyone remembers and he's golden.

(Oh god, Trump's gonna ask for a rematch from Kamala, isn't he?)
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Kamala already tweeted that Trump should debate her again and Trump already responded that he won't, both Tweets came out after the debate.

She knows Tim fucked up.
 
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i love that my own country is trying to appeal to me and other citizens in our time of criris after severe flooding ..... to fight over who helped yidsrael avoid the consequences of its own action by pulling troops and aid effort from people who need it here. i love that our country is basically a vassal for some overseas bankers and child murderers who decide how many foreign child rapists should be around my neighbors. great
 
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