Debate Brandobaris about if Hitler was a Good Guy

[BILLY MAYS]

plausible opinion

lol

 

[Cthulu]

Hiel Hitler!

It's not been my experience.


Apparently from what I commonly encounter in conversation, if the speaker criticises something or points out inconsistencies, then the listener seems to automatically and immediately assume the speaker must support its opposition. Why do other people commonly have this thought pattern? I am only comparing the two atrocities under fact I've noticed different reactions. I don't think Nazis are the good guys, or that America is the bad guys. But do I wonder how much bad stuff you might find out about the American Government, if a Foreign power ever toppled it and got access to its most secret internal documents? Agent Orange? Abu Gharib? Guantenemo? Iran Contra? Project MKULTRA? These are already documented things the public knows about, and yet many people will say the US Government is more benevolent than other governments.

Simply because I criticise something, doesn't mean I think the opposite is now the truth.

For example, I will form a rough and plausible opinion and present it to the listener. In their response I hope for them to deconstruct it and glean information about the subject. Unfortunately, it turns out the person is sensitive about the topic and believes I have now taken an opposite view to them.

I think this explains everything.

 

[Electric Eye]

Yes, there is indeed nuance to World War 2 and the allied forces weren't all innocent angels and the axis forces weren't all irredeemably evil. That being said, you need to know the massive ethical difference between "uh oh, the Japanese are not backing down even after we bombed Tokyo and millions of people in Southeast Asia are still dying each year due to their supply lines being cut off. We may need to do something horrific and psychologically damaging to get the Japanese to surrender as quickly as possible and we just developed this powerful bomb that might be our only chance to do that" vs. "Gas people of this religion because I think they magically controlled the German economy during and after the first World War."

 

[Doc Cassidy]

I'm a leftist but I have a lot of sympathy for the idea of survival of the white race. I think a country with white nationalist social values but a Marxist socialist economy would be a good idea. Ultimately I am closer to the left but I don't agree with the SJW and conventional radical left ideas about white people and how that issue needs to be handled.

You should found the National Socialist American Workers Party

 

[Brandobaris]

Yes, there is indeed nuance to World War 2 and the allied forces weren't all innocent angels and the axis forces weren't all irredeemably evil. That being said, you need to know the massive ethical difference between "uh oh, the Japanese are not backing down even after we bombed Tokyo and millions of people in Southeast Asia are still dying each year due to their supply lines being cut off. We may need to do something horrific and psychologically damaging to get the Japanese to surrender as quickly as possible and we just developed this powerful bomb that might be our only chance to do that" vs. "Gas people of this religion because I think they magically controlled the German economy during and after the first World War."

Politicians in all Governments make policy decisions that doom, or kill millions of people all the time, directly, or perhaps indirectly. Why is it you posit that the Politicians of the 30's and 40's, were any nobler of Heart than the ones that exist now?

 

[CatParty]

It's not been my experience.


Apparently from what I commonly encounter in conversation, if the speaker criticises something or points out inconsistencies, then the listener seems to automatically and immediately assume the speaker must support its opposition. Why do other people commonly have this thought pattern? I am only comparing the two atrocities under fact I've noticed different reactions. I don't think Nazis are the good guys, or that America is the bad guys. But do I wonder how much bad stuff you might find out about the American Government, if a Foreign power ever toppled it and got access to its most secret internal documents? Agent Orange? Abu Gharib? Guantenemo? Iran Contra? Project MKULTRA? These are already documented things the public knows about, and yet many people will say the US Government is more benevolent than other governments.

Simply because I criticise something, doesn't mean I think the opposite is now the truth.

For example, I will form a rough and plausible opinion and present it to the listener. In their response I hope for them to deconstruct it and glean information about the subject. Unfortunately, it turns out the person is sensitive about the topic and believes I have now taken an opposite view to them.

Lol calm down

 

[BILLY MAYS]

Politicians in all Governments make policy decisions that doom, or kill millions of people all the time, directly, or perhaps indirectly. Why is it you posit that the Politicians of the 30's and 40's, were any nobler of Heart than the ones that exist now?

So you want Hitler to be treated as someone who made honest mistakes, rather than someone who consciously committed genocide? Okay.

 

[drain]

@Brandobaris your opinion isn't plausible because you claimed ignorance on the subject. How in the fuck someone who never studied about the Holocaust (and I doubt you studied about Hiroshima and Nagasaki too, because you said that Modern History was optional for you) want to debate anything? If you want to debate, you must know at least a little about the subject, and from what I read, you know next to nothing.
And if you go to Twitter or other social media to read about serious political matters, I have very bad news for you

 

[Michel]

Was Hitler a nice guy?

 

[Brandobaris]

@Brandobaris your opinion isn't plausible because you claimed ignorance on the subject. How in the fuck someone who never studied about the Holocaust (and I doubt you studied about Hiroshima and Nagasaki too, because you said that Modern History was optional for you) want to debate anything? If you want to debate, you must know at least a little about the subject, and from what I read, you know next to nothing.
And if you go to Twitter or other social media to read about serious political matters, I have very bad news for you

Who said anything about a debate apart from the mods making these threads? I just want info.

 

[drain]

Who said anything about a debate apart from the mods making these threads? I just want info.

If you just want info, why not just ask about our thoughts on the matter, silently reads it and look for more info in books/trusted sites? You're not on a position to have your opinions listened and respected anymore, and I honestly can't blame the other users, because your behaviour is pretty autistic since the day you came here.

 

[BILLY MAYS]

Who said anything about a debate apart from the mods making these threads? I just want info.

You posted what most would call "unpopular opinion" in Deep Thoughts, where opinions are debated daily. Not expecting a debate on such board is what is considered as "retarded" round these parts. Now you expect people to think that your whole post is you "wanting information", which could be done in a more polite way. Couple those with your "WAAAH PEOPLE HERE ARE MEANIES" attitude, it's easy to see why you're a laughingstock in Kiwi Farms.

 

[Electric Eye]

Politicians in all Governments make policy decisions that doom, or kill millions of people all the time, directly, or perhaps indirectly.

At that point, the German Reich was the only democratic nation in history to openly have policies with the purpose of racial and ethnic extermination on a massive scale. The difference between this and every other country in history that did have some form of ethnic cleansing is that they did so by either forceful relocation or they exterminated the disliked ethnic groups on a small scale. Are those countries guilty of causing mass suffering? Definitely. As much suffering as Hitler and the German Reich caused? No. Not even close.

Why is it you posit that the Politicians of the 30's and 40's, were any nobler of Heart than the ones that exist now?

I made no such claim and it is irrelevant to this argument.

 

[drain]

You posted what most would call "unpopular opinion" in Deep Thoughts, where opinions are debated daily. Not expecting a debate on such board is what is considered as "retarded" round these parts. Now you expect people to think that your whole post is you "wanting information", which could be done in a more polite way. Couple those with your "WAAAH PEOPLE HERE ARE MEANIES" attitude, it's easy to see why you're a laughingstock in Kiwi Farms.

That's the thing that amazes me in relation of some users. Some people come here, on this site, that is known for being a "controversial place", write something unpopular/autistic/annoying and when the shit starts to flow, they bawwww about us.
Honestly, @Brandobaris, the people here are being true champs, because I saw many users being banned for less sperging.
I think you want to be famous like Autisticdragonkin? Or maybe get a halal like numerous users already got?
We are warning you, stop being dense, or things will get pretty hard for you.

 

[Cthulu]

Who said anything about a debate apart from the mods making these threads? I just want info.

You've been given links to info. You ignore it and keep up the same :autism: However for my purposes you are now 8 pages deep in the autist hole your digging. and

 

[AnOminous]

Was Hitler a nice guy?

No. But he was a Nice Guy.

 

[女鬼]

I was just reading a forum earlier where people were discussing the Holocaust, and every one seemed fairly well informed. Someone suggested a portion of the 6 million Jews may have died from natural causes or through disease or starvation, and multiple people accused them of being a holocaust denier, despite them agreeing earlier many million were killed by the Nazis.

If you truly want to ~inform yourself~ about the Holocaust, you might want to start with serious history books and scholarly articles rather than Internet forums.

 

[drain]

If you truly want to ~inform yourself~ about the Holocaust, you might want to start with serious history books and scholarly articles rather than Internet forums.

B-but how about his true and honest opinions?
Seriously now, I learned so much with simply reading discussions on this Forum, it's amazing. When the US election was going on, I was always lurking on the political threads to try to understand more about western political affairs. But this dude, this dude right here only want asspaters saying to him that Hitler was cool and the Holocaust is only jew propaganda. Next thing, he will be discussing about 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

[BILLY MAYS]

Next thing, he will be discussing about 9/11 conspiracy theories

Nah he's more interested in realdoll conspiracy theories

 

[Cthulu]

Next thing, he will be discussing about 9/11 conspiracy theories.

@Vitriol @Randall Fragg @Alan Pardew @Clown Doll can we have a Debate @Brandobaris about 9/11 conspiracy theory thread next?