Debate Brandobaris about if Hitler was a Good Guy

[drain]

Modern History & Ancient History were optional. All I heard is that 6 million Jews were gassed during WWII

I'm not familiarized with this type of education, because in my country, up to highschool, we have all the history, since the stone age until today events. I'm sorry you hadn't the opportunity to learn history like a normal student.

 

[José Mourinho]

You don't believe if someone states an opinion, then they can be underinformed and wrong? And yet, people still want to label someone a Nazi, after they've admitted they are uninformed.

I just find that a very odd response. People seem to lose their shit, and apparently I've now learned each school district in the world had an assigned holocaust survivor to give speeches to classes. The more you know.

Show me one part where I mentioned about Holocaust speeches.

All I did was just showing how you post about how we are "calling people Nazis who have questions about the Holocaust or doubts about parts of it" even though you already stated your thoughts on it earlier.

 

[Tranhuviya]

@Brandobaris

Even if you don't believe in the Holocaust, Hitler was not comparable with either Truman and Roosevelt. He made unprovoked wars of aggression on sovereign states like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Britain and France. He oversaw a forced labor program that took foreign civilians into Germany to work against their will. He issued orders plainly against the laws and customs of war. Does that sound like a good person to you?

 

[ZeCommissar]

@Brandobaris

Even if you don't believe in the Holocaust, Hitler was not comparable with either Truman and Roosevelt. He made unprovoked wars of aggression on sovereign states like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Britain and France. He oversaw a forced labor program that took foreign civilians into Germany to work against their will. He issued orders plainly against the laws and customs of war. Does that sound like a good person to you?

B-But
He was vegan!
He liked animals!
He helped people!

ISNT THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU KIKES?!!! WE NEED 6 MILLION MORE!

 

[CWCchange]

Modern History & Ancient History were optional. All I heard is that 6 million Jews were gassed during WWII

If they were optional, it's no wonder people think the Ancient Egyptians were niggers and that Hitler didn't kill anybody.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

 

[Curt Sibling]

@Brandobaris is a simpleton who didn't study, and worse, has no desire to set aright his utter ignorance.

May he wallow in his ill-educated autistic anguish...

 

[AnOminous]

It's like making it illegal to question why the sky is blue.

It's like pointing out that it's moronic to argue at great length that it's green.

 

[Caesare]

Did you have Holocaust classes in high school or something? Why is it illegal to question it? It's like making it illegal to question why the sky is blue.

Nope. But it was brought up in history/social studies classes from time to time when covering the second world war.

 

[Cthulu]

@Brandobaris This is quite a 6 page hole of autism you've dug yourself. Keep up the good work!

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Blatant eurocentric chauvinism by racist moderators



Do you oscillate between /pol/ and /leftypol/ based on the lunar cycle or what

I'm a leftist but I have a lot of sympathy for the idea of survival of the white race. I think a country with white nationalist social values but a Marxist socialist economy would be a good idea. Ultimately I am closer to the left but I don't agree with the SJW and conventional radical left ideas about white people and how that issue needs to be handled.

 

[Yhwach]

im going to preface this by saying i like the idea of killing jews.

 

[Brandobaris]

@Brandobaris

Even if you don't believe in the Holocaust, Hitler was not comparable with either Truman and Roosevelt. He made unprovoked wars of aggression on sovereign states like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Britain and France. He oversaw a forced labor program that took foreign civilians into Germany to work against their will. He issued orders plainly against the laws and customs of war. Does that sound like a good person to you?

I'm interested in hearing why anyone that questions the "6 million jews were killed by the nazis" is considered immediately a holocaust denier. Even if they say Nazis killed Jews, but the numbers might have been less. I'm interested in why Europe has laws in various countries that make it illegal to publish any work that minimizes the holocaust, which is the first time I've heard about any reporting of a historical event outside the accepted history being punishable by law.

I am interested in hearing why people seem to think everyone who has ever lived seems to assume everyone else has studied the Holocaust extensively, and have met a Holocaust survivor in the process. I mean there have been genocides committed by other countries, even more recently, why is this the one everyone seems to lose their shit over if you question any element of it?

 

[drain]

I'm interested in why Europe has laws in various countries that make it illegal to publish any work that minimizes the holocaust

Because its offensive to people who lost their relatives on a concentration camp. Believe it or not, there are people living outside of the internet, and they might have strong feelings towards an event that killed one or more of their relatives.
And, imho, if laws like these didn't exist, some neonazi groups would take the big step and try to deny that the whole holocaust ever happened.

I am interested in hearing why people seem to think everyone who has ever lived seems to assume everyone else has studied the Holocaust extensively, and have met a Holocaust survivor in the process.

Dude, nobody here studied the Holocaust extensively, it's only common sense and having a decent history teacher. And trying to play the "I don't know about X, so I'll spill my opinions about X and hope that people don't make fun of me" never works, especially here just saying

 

[Brandobaris]

Because its offensive to people who lost their relatives on a concentration camp. Believe it or not, there are people living outside of the internet, and they might have strong feelings towards an event that killed one or more of their relatives.
And, imho, if laws like these didn't exist, some neonazi groups would take the big step and try to deny that the whole holocaust ever happened.

Dude, nobody here studied the Holocaust extensively, it's only common sense and having a decent history teacher. And trying to play the "I don't know about X, so I'll spill my opinions about X and hope that people don't make fun of me" never works, especially here just saying

I was just reading a forum earlier where people were discussing the Holocaust, and every one seemed fairly well informed. Someone suggested a portion of the 6 million Jews may have died from natural causes or through disease or starvation, and multiple people accused them of being a holocaust denier, despite them agreeing earlier many million were killed by the Nazis.

 

[drain]

Someone suggested a portion of the 6 million Jews may have died from natural causes or through disease or starvation

You know, this is entirely plausible. When people talk about nazis killing jews, it's not only the gas chambers/furnaces that they're talking about, but the indirect kills, like disease (due to the very poor conditions of life on the camps) and starvation. I don't know why some people only thinks the 'evil gas chambers' deaths are the only culprit.

Tbh, discussing the Holocaust only focusing in 'b-but my 6 millions jews!' isn't a effective move, because there's many other evidences that both deniers or non-deniers can use.

 

[Cheeseburger Picnic]

 

[Brandobaris]

You know, this is entirely plausible. When people talk about nazis killing jews, it's not only the gas chambers/furnaces that they're talking about, but the indirect kills, like disease (due to the very poor conditions of life on the camps) and starvation. I don't know why some people only thinks the 'evil gas chambers' deaths are the only culprit.

Tbh, discussing the Holocaust only focusing in 'b-but my 6 millions jews!' isn't a effective move, because there's many other evidences that both deniers or non-deniers can use.

It seems like trying to discuss the holocaust in any way just makes people go kinda nuts. I know that you say minimizing the holocaust is considered offensive. And yet, earlier someone said that the Atom Bombs dropped on Japan weren't so bad, and no one gave it a second thought. So I'm wondering where this double standard is coming from.

 

[bearycool]

Is this your halal thread?

 

[drain]

It seems like trying to discuss the holocaust in any way just makes people go kinda nuts. I know that you say minimizing the holocaust is considered offensive. And yet, earlier someone said that the Atom Bombs dropped on Japan weren't so bad, and no one gave it a second thought. So I'm wondering where this double standard is coming from.

When we try to discuss things considered 'taboo', people will certainly go nuts. It's like trying to discuss abortion or the Islam, people have strong opinions/feelings towards these topics, so they will, understanably, become upset when others try to prove the contrary. Discussion is good and open new horizons, when we're confronted with various points of view, but when one person on the discussion try to make their point of view the only one true, things get nasty. Because there's no absolute truth.
But downplaying the Holocaust isn't a very smart thing to do, because we have numerous evidences proving all the atrocities that were commited on those camps. If you want to learn more and read other people's opinions about the Holocaust, be our guest, the Farms is a really good place for constructive discussions. But if you spill offensive shit claiming ignorance on the subject, people will get annoyed, because it's annoying.