Off-Topic Detransitioner/Desister Stories - People you know or heard about deciding to return to their original gender/sex

In retrospect this was a pretty shit way to confront her. All it did was drive her deeper into the cult.
I think it was a fine way to confront her. The mistake was not combining it with drastic action to remove her from the bad influences. That means no school (not even private- just a more expensive way to get your kids mindraped, these days), no "counseling," no exposure to the indoctrination committee in any form until she has gone through a kind of detox.

You didn't know this then, but now you do:
You know how everyone who went through college post-2010 was indoctrinated? They have graduated and infiltrated all other institutions. Consider the entire field of medicine, the education system, and anything that typically requires college-level expertise to be compromised by people who believe that they are in the right to turn your children against you.
And parents really need to start waking up to this fact BEFORE the crisis hits home, because it is a major menace to the peace and security of every home. Of course it doesn't work very well if you put the boards up after the hurricane, or you secure the big screen TV to the wall after the earthquake, or pick your regional disaster metaphor here. But if you do it before- it works pretty damn well.
 
Patreon post from Zero, a Sims 4 modder, who identifies with detransitioners and disagrees with the pushing of tranny "medicine" on kids and the agenda being forced into video games... she's an interesting case because she still "sees [herself] as a male", whatever that means, but wishes she'd never gone on hormones or gotten surgery in the first place and thinks there should be more talk therapy and other solutions for gender dysphoria before making any irreversible physical changes.

She's been getting more attention lately for creating a mod that removes the new "inclusive" (basically removing all gendered relationship terms like husband/wife and replacing it with spouse) language in the game and another that gets rid of they/them pronouns for NPCs, so naturally the pooners (because let's face it, it's mostly women who play the Sims, just an increasing amount of them are putting he/they in the bio) are seething. I want to say she's based for resisting this gender nonsense but the continuing to identify as the opposite sex despite ceasing hormones gives the impression she's still somewhat believing it. Refers to her "wife" in another post - why not simply be a butch lesbian?
 
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A big thing TRAs do when we call them on their bullshit is accuse us of being ignorant. They can't do this with detrans people because the detrans people have, if anything, more experience of the trans community than your average TRA. This is a big reason why troons are so desperate to shut detransitioners up.
 
They can't do this with detrans people because the detrans people have, if anything, more experience of the trans community than your average TRA. This is a big reason why troons are so desperate to shut detransitioners up
Slowly I've been getting the impression that some normies are actually starting to wake up to this, too.

Chloe Cole especially has really gotten a lot of publicity on her case that people are very sympathetic to; and I've heard people I never would have thought voice any doubt about trans stuff talk to me about Chloe Cole.

The trans community is afraid of detransistors because their stories are way less ignorable than some average Joe people complaining about hormones or pronouns. They aren't going to be able to make this go away. And I think that is starting to setting in some parts of the community.

We're gonna start seeing people jump ship more and more often in name being pragmatic and trying to get ahead of the wave of all of this bullshit collapsing.
 
From today's Free Press:

I Spent 13 Years Living as a Man. But After My Spouse’s Exposé, I’m Detransitioning.

When Jamie Reed revealed the dangers of gender-affirming care for minors, I felt threatened. That’s because she was right.

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My name is Tiger Reed. I am a 44-year-old librarian in St. Louis, Missouri. Since 2016, I have been married to Jamie Reed. She is the whistleblower who exposed the alarming effects of “gender-affirming” medical care given to minors at The Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children’s Hospital in a 2023 article for The Free Press. Her story shocked the nation. I am also “Dad” to the five children we are raising together—two from Jamie’s previous marriage and three we have adopted.

And now, after 13 years of living as a man, I am in the process of tapering down my weekly testosterone injections to begin the process of becoming a woman again.

Jamie is the bravest person I know. I am not as brave. Though I didn’t try to stop Jamie, I had grave doubts about her blowing the whistle. I wondered why she couldn’t just quietly quit her job in protest and move on. I was scared for my safety, Jamie’s, and our children’s—I still am. All this created a huge rift in our marriage that we are still working to heal.

When Jamie exposed the harm gender-affirming care does to vulnerable children and teens, many with a history of trauma and various mental health diagnoses, she was widely attacked by activists. That Jamie was married to me, a trans man, was powerful evidence she was no transphobe.

But looking back, I realize the thing that threatened me the most about Jamie going public was something I didn’t want to face. This was the knowledge that my spouse and a growing chorus of knowledgeable critics were right. They were right that there was something fundamentally amiss with the message, especially to young people, that a swift gender transition was a safe, all-purpose solution to profound problems.

This realization meant I had to address my own doubts about my own transition.

I am now ready to publicly support Jamie. Not only that, I want to speak out about adult gender medicine, and how people have been misled—sometimes unintentionally—by gender clinicians about its safety and effectiveness.

I know there isn’t a lot of sympathy for those of us who transition as adults. People assume you made your choice, and you knew what you were signing up for. But in recent years we have been finding out that reliable research for transition, especially concerning its long-term effects, is virtually nonexistent. The comprehensive Cass Review showed the lack of scientific underpinning for the commonly accepted medical treatments for gender dysphoria—hormones and surgery—especially for kids.

And “gender-affirming care” fails to explore the often complex personal and psychological histories that lead people to believe transition is what they need.

I knew that going on testosterone at age 31, and five years later having my breasts removed, would bring profound physical changes. But no one I consulted prepared me for the emotional consequences of transition—for how the hormones would change not only my appearance but how I felt about myself and the world.

To understand how I decided to transition requires going back to my childhood. I was born in Miami in 1980 and named Roxxanne. I never met my father. He died from a heroin overdose when I was young. My mother was addicted to drugs, too, and the last time I saw her I was in my early twenties. She passed away in 2023. When I was two years old, I was sexually assaulted by a stranger, which resulted in my being put in foster care.

I moved in and out of foster care throughout my childhood, in between stints living with my maternal grandparents, who were divorced. My grandmother was extremely poor and troubled, and ultimately had a mental breakdown, which led me back to foster care. My grandfather, a severe alcoholic, was both verbally and physically abusive.

I knew from an early age that I was a lesbian, and I remember around the age of seven lying in bed wondering why I didn’t have a penis. Throughout my life, I’ve been bullied for my more masculine appearance. I was called names like boy, faggot, dyke, and he-she, among others. I’ve also been sexually abused multiple times by both strangers and family members. When I was 17, I was diagnosed with debilitating endometriosis, which caused me to have painful periods and sent me on a monthly hormonal roller coaster.

As I look back, I see how all this shaped my sense that becoming a woman would mean subjecting myself to a lifetime of assault and abuse, and experiencing relentless mental and physical pain.

I dropped out of high school in 1997 and had a series of minimum-wage jobs where I was often harassed. A turning point happened when I was 24 years old; I enrolled in community college and discovered a love of the arts, a passion I still pursue in my free time.

Around that time I watched a reality series called TransGeneration, which followed four transgender college students. The show was life-changing for me—I felt it presented a solution, a way out of the pain of being a woman.

The year 2011 was an agonizing one. I lost the one family member who had been a consistent support—my maternal step-grandmother. She and I talked on the phone every day for years. Her death crushed me.

I also wanted my painful periods to go away, and to no longer feel that my emotions were out of my control. I didn’t have health insurance so I turned to the internet to find a solution. I watched hundreds of hours of YouTube videos, and read countless blogs and websites that detailed people’s transitions. These stories are what helped convince me I wanted to transition, too.

At this time I was in graduate school studying studio art, and I started seeing a school therapist. She was extremely supportive of my decision to transition, and wrote me a letter of referral for testosterone. I also legally changed my name to Tiger—a pet name from a former girlfriend.

Before I transitioned I was someone who cried often—when I was sad, angry, or joyful, I couldn’t hold back my tears. But one of the earliest effects of testosterone was losing the ability to cry. The testosterone replaced my tears with a rage that would come out of nowhere. I’m embarrassed now to think how my spurts of anger have hurt those around me.

But there were parts of transitioning I welcomed. For example, having a beard. The whole process of growing one was exciting. It symbolized that I was really making a change and doing something new for myself.

In 2015, when I was 35 years old, I met Jamie, then a single mom of two rambunctious kids, at church. She’d just divorced her husband, and I had just gone through a bad breakup. At this point, Jamie and I were both believers that the transgender movement, which was growing in visibility and power, was a good thing, an answer to people’s distress. Within the year, we were engaged to be married.

To the outside world, Jamie and I looked like a heterosexual couple. But when out by myself, people usually assumed I was a gay man. I struggled to relate to other men, and I also lost my connection to the lesbian community, which I still miss dearly.

I also felt freakish—my chest was covered with hair, but I also bound my breasts each day so that no one would see features that made me look female. So, in 2016, when I was 36, I had a double mastectomy. But in the days following the surgery, I grieved over the loss of my breasts.

Today, the harmful physical effects of over a decade on testosterone have started to make themselves known: high cholesterol, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, high triglycerides, sleep apnea, and issues with my kidneys. While some of these problems are hereditary, the testosterone in my system only exacerbates them.

All those around me, from my close friends to my colleagues, supported my transition and referred to me with male pronouns. But I always felt a nagging sense that no matter what I did to make myself appear more male, I was an impostor.

It turns out transitioning couldn’t bring me the sense of comfort and inner peace I was seeking. In 2020, when I first put our adopted son, then six months old, in my arms, I instinctively knew how to rock him to sleep, to calm him by the way I held him. I became the parent who put him to bed most of the time. I know that fathers can comfort their infants, but when I did it, I felt like his mother.

Jamie has never pressured me about detransition. I’ve been thinking about it for several years now, but I only told Jamie about my decision in the past three months.

For detransitioners, there is no clear path. Gender-affirming clinicians have been ignoring and dismissing our concerns. While my transition was covered by insurance, my detransition is not. To restore my hairline and remove my body hair will cost me thousands. In the next few years I may have breast reconstructive surgery. There are many questions I don’t have the answers to—such as whether my kids, now ranging in age from two to 16 years old, should still call me “Dad.” I am planning to change my name back to Roxxanne, and to change my license so it says “female” again. But I wonder if I’ll ever pass as a woman.

The gender-affirming care model relies on vulnerable people’s impatience—rushing them toward major medical changes rather than stopping to understand the root of their pain and suffering. This affects not just patients, but entire families. And as Jamie has shown, confused and scared parents get told—falsely—that without transition their children are likely to commit suicide.

I’m going public because I want people like me who have complex and nuanced reasons for their gender distress to be part of the conversation. I want people to know there are more options than medicalizing their bodies for the rest of their lives.
 
The gender-affirming care model relies on vulnerable people’s impatience—rushing them toward major medical changes rather than stopping to understand the root of their pain and suffering.
I found the whole thing to be rather insightful and well written but I find this point in particular to be especially well thought out and well done.

Because that really is what the transition system does to them. Especially the kids. And even worse than that, it inflicts this false sense of urgency with the idea that if the person doesn't get their way they'll neck themselves. It's programmed to make these vulnerable and impatient people even more vulnerable and impatient.
 
I'm convinced a lot of GD cases, non fujo fetish related, are down to women hating they are women, but no so much about social elements and more about physical biology.
Women are weaker than men, thus more vulnerable.
And stuff like having boobs sucks. SA can make you hate having genitalia too.
That's one of my biggest struggles.

Its crazy how the only reason I didnt physically transition and ended up desisting was due to me being 4'9 with an hourglass body, knowing it would be unreasonable to transition as Id never pass the bare minimum.

Even as I grown to love womanhood, I still have a hate for my physical body. I have no sensation in my boobs and because of the CSA, I dont really like my vag being touched (my vag only) and overall I always feel like it lacks a normal sensation, but then again that could also be the CSA. I dont like how femniine my body is because while I like feminine things, I dress masculine and only like to wear masculine clothes. Finding clothes for me sucks as my ass/boobs are too big for my height, making the sizing extremely awkward since my hip ratio is small.

Other girls dont treat me like a girl. while men often treat me like their own- or enough of their own to openly talk to me as if Im not a woman, though I doubt they talk to me as if I was a man either. I just dont act like the average women, hence why women always considered me either too aggressive or overall a psuedo-woman.

I just dont understand the point in all of this. Even knowing everything I know about poonery, I get jealous at the "luckshits" who pass. Like Im already struggling a lot due to irl issues, basically been struggling my whole life due to being born into a not great situation by default, so the thought of dying young doesnt even bother me as I always feel like Im just gonna die young anyways not even by my own hands. At least with the pooners who pass, they dont gotta worry about being percived as female when homeless and shit. And they could fit in with the other men never having to worry about those men secretly being into them.

Its especially even more annoying seeing "luckshits" who ARE nothing but fujo fetishists. Its like damn. I guess if I was born into that type of body, Id have to say bye to my dating life anways as a lesbian. But fuck. I already cant get with anyone regardless, I fucking hate being a minority. I hate being a lesbian. I dont even have a community to support me, especially since I hate poons and troons.

Life is so stressful, man. I wish I had some type of escape. I need to stop eating so much because Ive put back the weight I lost, though Im not obese. Its just it is fucking up my gains..... Yet man, with how life is, I dont even know whats the point anymore. Its these times I wish I could live in a world of delusion like your local tranny or drug addict. FUCK, man...
 
And stuff like having boobs sucks.
MTFs seem to enjoy it.

Some could say having dangling, vulnerable external genitalia is at least as bad.

But overall, the real truth is that people who get hung up on "how bad it sucks to have xyz inherent traits" and how "s/he has it better than me, that's no fair!" like a five year old, are suffering from severe arrested development.

(That explains why so many fall into the phenotypes we class as "gay" and "autistic" too.)
 
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A big thing TRAs do when we call them on their bullshit is accuse us of being ignorant. They can't do this with detrans people because the detrans people have, if anything, more experience of the trans community than your average TRA. This is a big reason why troons are so desperate to shut detransitioners up.
You know again, if the science backs up the idea of trans brains existing then surely a simple CT brain scan could prove who's trans and who isn't. Alas, TRAs don't want that because the scan could possibly not be "accurate " and thus we are forced to take them at their word. These are the same kids who claim to have autism but refuse to get an actual diagnose because "What if I fail the test?" .Thus this makes this whole shit sound like a life choice, but don't you dare say that it is one.
 
You know again, if the science backs up the idea of trans brains existing then surely a simple CT brain scan could prove who's trans and who isn't. Alas, TRAs don't want that because the scan could possibly not be "accurate " and thus we are forced to take them at their word. These are the same kids who claim to have autism but refuse to get an actual diagnose because "What if I fail the test?" .Thus this makes this whole shit sound like a life choice, but don't you dare say that it is one.
Sorry for double posting but I wanted to discuss this here. There are studies showing that talking about cutting and eating disorders, or showing those things in media, severely increases the amount of girls who cut and exhibit signs of eating disorders. In other words these things become a social contagion. What really angers me about the whole "You were never trans" when it comes to detrans people is that the trans community have convinced themselves that were supposed to believe that gender dysphoria is the one and ONLY mental health problem that is 100% immune from social contagion. Surely there's no reason a non binary teenage girl who does nothing in terms of transition could be lying right? Its not like she could just simply change her they/them pronouns to she/her and nobody would bat an eye. The community' will tell you that there is no reason a teenager would lie about being trans because there is no benefit and yet we have stupid non binary teenage girls getting top surgery because they think its cool.
 
I'm convinced a lot of GD cases, non fujo fetish related, are down to women hating they are women, but no so much about social elements and more about physical biology.
Women are weaker than men, thus more vulnerable.
And stuff like having boobs sucks. SA can make you hate having genitalia too.
That's one of my biggest struggles.
I have successfully escaped transgenderism by starting to lift weights and abuse PEDs. I figured that I can't fall into the ideology if I just say I'm a normal woman. I keep doing it and it keep on working.

The reason that I have wanted to change gender is pretty much this. Some schizophrenic switch in my head flipped some years ago and I hate everything about women. I'm convinced women are satan's followers and I don't want to be one of them. I hate women so much that I would rather die than be a woman, but I'm also gifted at compartmentalizing so I don't suffer from these thoughts in my day to day.
 
I have successfully escaped transgenderism by starting to lift weights and abuse PEDs. I figured that I can't fall into the ideology if I just say I'm a normal woman. I keep doing it and it keep on working.

The reason that I have wanted to change gender is pretty much this. Some schizophrenic switch in my head flipped some years ago and I hate everything about women. I'm convinced women are satan's followers and I don't want to be one of them. I hate women so much that I would rather die than be a woman, but I'm also gifted at compartmentalizing so I don't suffer from these thoughts in my day to day.
Get off the PEDs, they're going to make your psychological state ever worse if what you say is true. I hope you can get to a better place but I do agree that compartmentalizing and just keeping it pushing does help when dealing with lots of different stuff.
 
basically, fuck trannies, fuck their supporters, fuck the guidance counselors, fuck the entire public school system. They helped make life hell for my family for two years. All over a "true and inherent" identity that my daughter inevitably grew out of.
Holy fucking shit.
I am sorry your family went through that shit, but I really happy for you it's worked itself out. The thought of that shit getting it's hooks into one of our kids was a constant worry for us once this gendershit started to gain momentum, thankfully our daughters fucking hate Troons and tranny shit at least as much as I do so we never had to face that nightmare.
Its fucking criminal that the people you guys should have been able to rely on for help and support basically tried to turn your kid against you over bullshit pervert ideology, you must be good parents though, you got her through it, so congratulations because you obviously did something right.
Important thing is you didn't go along with that shit and more than that you never gave up, seems once your kid started to grow out of that craziness she trusted you enough and knew you had her back to know she could look to you for help.

Sounds like you had a rough time of it, but need to give yourself the credit for being able to ride out the craziness and get through to the other side.
You're lucky you raised a smart kid that was able to see through the Cults propaganda and lovebombing bullshit to recognize it for what it is, it just took her a while.
 
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once your kid started to grow out of that craziness she trusted you enough and knew you had her back to know she could look to you for help.
I wonder if it's helpful, when telling your kids about the gendies, to keep it light. If their takeaway from Mom and Dad is "sinners and anathema, never in my house!!" then you get that allure of the forbidden going, or the "I should check the other side." If parents brief their kids slowly about the birds and the bees and the absolute retards, lol, look at these dumbasses, that's less... polarizing?

I dunno; personal story:
my parents provided us, growing up, with kids' books versions of all different cultures' myths and legends--shout out to the d'Aulaires--and we talked about comparative religion from the "fun" perspective of comparative mythological characters. (I probably would have gotten into Pokemon if I were younger, but much like female autism, we didn't have it back then so we'll never know.) My parents were also careful to warn us that there weren't many Ancient Greeks running around but Santa and Jesus had a posse, so don't get into arguments with other kids about the supernatural, just know that some people take it way seriously and/or don't want the magic ruined.

Putting aside your personal views on religion, that tactic worked pretty well for inoculating kids against one form of metaphysical contagion. It also set me up to be extremely leery of troons, at least after it went from "very rare transmedicalist" to "ubiquitous state religion gendersoul" transgenderism.
 
t. If their takeaway from Mom and Dad is "sinners and anathema, never in my house!!" then you get that allure of the forbidden going, or the "I should check the other side."
Not everybody thinks this way. In fact I'd say it's something you have to learn, in most cases. Most people are not hard-boiled contrarians who kneejerk to do the opposite of whatever their elders suggest. That attitude is definitely inculcated in public schools. But a normal kid with loving parents who has not been taught to think that way will see mom and dad talking about how dangerous and unfortunate something is and trust their judgment. If this were not the case it never would have been possible to teach kids values at all.
 
I wonder if it's helpful, when telling your kids about the gendies, to keep it light. If their takeaway from Mom and Dad is "sinners and anathema, never in my house!!" then you get that allure of the forbidden going, or the "I should check the other side." If parents brief their kids slowly about the birds and the bees and the absolute retards, lol, look at these dumbasses, that's less... polarizing?
That's where we are with this.
When our kids were little and there was talk about being a girl vs a boy playing video games, we pointed out that it couldn't possibly matter, you don't play video games with your penis!
Then there was all the idiocy around Trannys and women's clothes and makeup being what made you a woman, except their mother doesn't wear dresses or makeup etc and is very obviously still a woman, and their GNC brother wears pink running shoes and his penis didn't fall off so that's dumb too...
We just point out, constantly, how stupid they look, how idiotic their beliefs are, and how unfair it is that the boys are cheating by competing with girls. They play wrestling with each other and sometimes with Mama or their sister, both of whom are bigger than them but very clearly not as strong so it's obvious it's not fair. We talk about how they're growing bigger and stronger than me because of the Testosterone their bodies make and how men are protectors because of their natural strength advantages.
Real life has a way of helping make the ideology look stupid.
Also, they are all sex pests and my kids all know that anyone who 'does sex stuff with children' deserves to die. No exceptions.
 
Not everybody thinks this way. In fact I'd say it's something you have to learn, in most cases. Most people are not hard-boiled contrarians who kneejerk to do the opposite of whatever their elders suggest.
That may be true; we're dealing with bad actors (consciously or unconsciously) taking advantage of kids during the liminal time when they're a developing adult intellect running hot on child emotions juiced up by social and physical stress.

The scariest trans stories, from friends and family alike, are the ones where the newly-trans person misinterprets and twists everything you say to them or everything you said, or that they say you said. (And of course, you're "gaslighting" them.)

So it's uncertain how many of indignant "trans kids," the ones post-vegan cat-age, are truthful when they're self-reporting that their parents are ardently transphobic and judgmental and thus they, the protagonist, are becoming everything their parents hated. There are a lot of them saying that, but then again, they sure do share notes for something that's totally not a social contagion.

I do think The Trans have a little advantage here: if your loved one is starting to float the trans balloon, and you know what's coming, it's hard to keep your spaghetti in your pockets out of sincere worry for them, and anger at what's attacking their mental stability, physical health, sense of identity.
 
Almost all mammals do some form of boundary pushing during the stage where they're about to become more independent to cement what behaviors are allowed and correct. There will always be some form of this, in some individuals more than others, but if the parents are on the same page and the kids aren't fed sex pest propaganda 24/7 then things should shake out alright. It really amazes me that so many people decided to start acting like autistic spergs with no social awareness about very normal developing human things, things so normal and a part of nature that it's even an obvious behavior pattern in non-human mammals. In large part the kids are doing their "jobs" so to speak, doing normal kid things testing the rules they took for granted were non-negotiable as helpless babies are in fact true, but it's the parents that have stepped away pretending they don't have to and straight up don't have the answer to the unasked questions. It's like a dance of nature they keep fucking the steps up for and pretending they're actually doing right by their partner in doing so.
 
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