Hurricane Helene / Invest 97L

  • 🔧 At about Midnight EST I am going to completely fuck up the site trying to fix something.
WHO the fuck are you, and WHO the fuck is he.

For all I know, the cunt your talking about does not exist, and you're a shit pusher trying to get attention.
Everyone is claiming THIS and that, but no one has shown a fucing video of shit yet.
Nigga I talked to the guy at my Church who’s one of the heads of the men’s group and a Knight of Columbus member. He’s talking to guys on the ground about what he needs ti buy and anything he needs to worry about when he drives down to drop off shit.
 
Can somebody explain why this is still ongoing? just cut a freaking road, put the wood harvesting addons on the 2 leading rescue trucks and have a couple of guys with chainsaws in front. we did that multiple times for forest fires and flooding, its get tricky if the way is to steep for the guys with the chainsaws but you can always ride on the front of the truck, there are 2 steps on the older ones and 4 steps on the newer models, not comfy but perfectly safe.
Because you need proper limited controlled access highways for shipping things long distance.
When you have large swathes of I-40 and various other interstates thst are 2 lane at best case scenarios to roads are not merely washed out but the entire mountain where the highway and town is now a giant gorge now. This isn't like a bridge being washed out in Texas or Florida where the land is mostly flat and your bridges are built with pre fab concrete like the I-10 or the lake poncatrain bridge.
WHO the fuck are you, and WHO the fuck is he.

For all I know, the cunt your talking about does not exist, and you're a shit pusher trying to get attention.
Everyone is claiming THIS and that, but no one has shown a fucing video of shit yet.
Okay I don't think anyone has pictures of the hundreds of bodies. However looking at the devastation that occurred this is on the level of Johnstown flooding.
It's probably safe to assume the death toll will be ultimately over a thousand people and probably more bodies will he discovered.
Unlike Katrina where outside of minor port disruptions this will cause severe effects for not only the American but global economy as many rare and critical keys in manufacturing components of modern day life like computers to medical equipment.
Again the effects of this disaster and sheer lack of response is not going to ease tensions. I don't look forward to the next budget deal or election because this disaster really fucked things up.
 
1728258646600.png

"Joe Biden doesn't care about white people."
 
lack of response
What? My brother in Christ, there are feds, staties, charity volunteers, and relief workers from 19 different states deployed under EMAC. Congress has authorized $14.8bn for Helene relief in addition to FEMA funds, and an additional $20m has been authorized specifically for individuals impacted by Helene.

Just because they haven't managed to fix up the damage in the fucking mountains within two weeks doesn't mean there's a "lack of response." Fuck, look at people at the beginning of the thread stating that I-40 and I-27 to Asheville would be out for months, and engineers got it passable in a fucking week. To say there's been a "lack of response" is to shit on the herculean efforts put in by so many thousands of workers in the ground.
 
In the worst hit areas on one side you have a 5ft drop or more to a river, on the other side you have heavy forest on a steep grade. Where does a vehicle fit in this situation?
those hill dont look that steep.

And where did you do this? This is in the middle of the Appalachian mountains. For reference, compare it to the Carpathians perhaps...
east germany, alot of old forest and cliffs.

People have been using horses and mules or helicopters to get to the most isolated places instead of bothering with the road idea.
so the paths for horses are still free? that sounds strange. Yes helicopters are much better but it looks like they have issues with them.

To get a proper road you'd need a team to clear the vegetation, then dig a flat-ish grade to drive on, all while making sure the earth won't fall out from under you and put you in the river that's like 10 feet away
You only need to cut the trees and thats all. Also stay away from the water, thats danger with no upside.

Because you need proper limited controlled access highways for shipping things long distance.
When you have large swathes of I-40 and various other interstates thst are 2 lane at best case scenarios to roads are not merely washed out but the entire mountain where the highway and town is now a giant gorge now. This isn't like a bridge being washed out in Texas or Florida where the land is mostly flat and your bridges are built with pre fab concrete like the I-10 or the lake poncatrain bridge.
you can cut very very long roads into a forest in pretty short time. a forest isnt that dense in trees and you only need 4 meters, thats one tree every couple of hundred meters. but well sling loading a pallet of water and MREs and airlifting it is much faster and alot less demanding.
 
Remember when FEMA and the executive branch (Trump) were criticized for failing to respond faster in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria swept the island and killing nearly 3,000 Americans? Apparently most people don't remember either because everyone still references Katrina when talking about dangerous weather and incompetent government authorities. None of that is to say they didn't respond at all or to put all the blame on them, but if Ricans could vote in Federal elections the response by all quarters of the Federal government would have been different.
 
You only need to cut the trees and thats all. Also stay away from the water, thats danger with no upside.
Vehicles are heavy, even when they’re not laden with supplies for isolated rural communities, with a relatively small footprint for their weight. If all you did was clear cut trees, you would be lucky if the fifth truck wasn’t bottomed out by the wheel ruts; more likely you’d swamp the first vehicle to drive in to start clearing trees. You need packed ground, even dirt roads act like a subterranean dam to the flow of ground water because of it.
 
Remember when FEMA and the executive branch (Trump) were criticized for failing to respond faster in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria swept the island and killing nearly 3,000 Americans? Apparently most people don't remember either because everyone still references Katrina when talking about dangerous weather and incompetent government authorities. None of that is to say they didn't respond at all or to put all the blame on them, but if Ricans could vote in Federal elections the response by all quarters of the Federal government would have been different.
There was also hundreds of palets of water that rotted away at the air fields/ports and never got distributed by the puerto rican government.
 
What? My brother in Christ, there are feds, staties, charity volunteers, and relief workers from 19 different states deployed under EMAC. Congress has authorized $14.8bn for Helene relief in addition to FEMA funds, and an additional $20m has been authorized specifically for individuals impacted by Helene.

Just because they haven't managed to fix up the damage in the fucking mountains within two weeks doesn't mean there's a "lack of response." Fuck, look at people at the beginning of the thread stating that I-40 and I-27 to Asheville would be out for months, and engineers got it passable in a fucking week. To say there's been a "lack of response" is to shit on the herculean efforts put in by so many thousands of workers in the ground.
The lack of initial response was from fema early on, this was a disaster thst caught everyone napping. This doesn't mean that there haven't been herculean efforts to clear shit up. But the damage sustained is still going to fuck logistics and supply chains for weeks at best and months at worst.
If anything local organizations and smaller NGOs have done far more than any of the federal government or large NGOs that are at work atm. Again the federal response was magnitudes more unprepared than Katrina which should have been a lower casualtiy situation but state, local, and federal mismanagement killed over a thousand people. In this situation this is a worst case scenario situation that even on a good day with preparation would catch fema off gaurd and most reports have been that fema has been hindrered by red tape.

@Stoneheart that is easier said than done. You are dealing with steep grades, unstable rock, heavily forested areas that are known to have shifting soil this isn't like Florida, or Nebraska. You're going to have to rebuild large controlled 4-6 lane limited access freeways for the interstates and many US highways. I'm still optimistic and the people working their asses off deserve praise but building interstate level highways is a bit more complex than a simple paved 2 lane road.
 
If all you did was clear cut trees, you would be lucky if the fifth truck wasn’t bottomed out by the wheel ruts; more likely you’d swamp the first vehicle to drive in to start clearing trees. You need packed ground, even dirt roads act like a subterranean dam to the flow of ground water because of it.
you are not supposed to use your f150. Some of your 500 agency will have decent trucks for the job. we use Unimogs, they never get stuck, they come with all kinds of addons that can be swapped very fast and they can pull trains.

@Stoneheart that is easier said than done. You are dealing with steep grades, unstable rock, heavily forested areas that are known to have shifting soil this isn't like Florida, or Nebraska. You're going to have to rebuild large controlled 4-6 lane limited access freeways for the interstates and many US highways. I'm still optimistic and the people working their asses off deserve praise but building interstate level highways is a bit more complex than a simple paved 2 lane road.
i was talking about a supply road, rebuilding those roads will take aloooong time.
 
Remember when FEMA and the executive branch (Trump) were criticized for failing to respond faster in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria swept the island and killing nearly 3,000 Americans? Apparently most people don't remember either because everyone still references Katrina when talking about dangerous weather and incompetent government authorities. None of that is to say they didn't respond at all or to put all the blame on them, but if Ricans could vote in Federal elections the response by all quarters of the Federal government would have been different.
Because for most people they directly know someone affected by Katrina. If you live in Texas you at least remember the Katrina crime wave. Also Katrina was also the first public case of the feds directly interjecting themselves into a situation and making things worse.
Katrina was also the first disaster that showed how incompetent and corrupt the Federal, local, and state governments were at disaster preparation.
By the time Puerto Rico got destroyed by Maria most Americans faith in government had been shattered.
 
The lack of initial response was from fema early on

FEMA was only authorized to assist from September 29 onwards. The slow response from FEMA was wholly the fault of Biden not approving the emergency declaration on the 25th when the storm actually hit. For the first four days of the relief effort, FEMA was literally bound to not respond due to Biden being a slow piece of shit.
If anything local organizations and smaller NGOs have done far more than any of the federal government or large NGOs that are at work atm.
I didn't realize Samaritan's Purse has teams of engineers that can manage to open up an interstate that had been totally swept away within a week.
 
you are not supposed to use your f150. Some of your 500 agency will have decent trucks for the job. we use Unimogs, they never get stuck, they come with all kinds of addons that can be swapped very fast and they can pull trains.
Retard, they're pulling trains on packed ground. And it wouldn't be one or two, it'd be hundreds; you know, hauling relief for the tens of thousands of people further isolated by the hurricane. It would be an impassible swamp within hours. Even dry ground would get torn up, let alone soft podzol.
 

FEMA was only authorized to assist from September 29 onwards. The slow response from FEMA was wholly the fault of Biden not approving the emergency declaration on the 25th when the storm actually hit. For the first four days of the relief effort, FEMA was literally bound to not respond due to Biden being a slow piece of shit.

I didn't realize Samaritan's Purse has teams of engineers that can manage to open up an interstate that had been totally swept away within a week.
Again local efforts did more on the ground help than fema or most of the large offical NGOs. This isn't for the lack of trying even on a good day a storm of this magnitude.

Again the average good samartin, small construction company, local pd, and small organizations have been doing the most. Again in any sort of disaster the locals are the first responders.
The damage this storm has done has made it nigh impossible to get things done. Again when you have a hurricane hit coastal texas, Louisiana or florida outside some downed trees and usually a few bridges that are made of prefab parts most times the flooding can be dealt with.
The sheer scale of the damage along with beaurecratic red tape has made it clear that in times of disaster local and states need to be more prepared for disaster relief and individual volunteers have done more than the feds.
 
Remember when FEMA and the executive branch (Trump) were criticized for failing to respond faster in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria swept the island and killing nearly 3,000 Americans? Apparently most people don't remember either because everyone still references Katrina when talking about dangerous weather and incompetent government authorities. None of that is to say they didn't respond at all or to put all the blame on them, but if Ricans could vote in Federal elections the response by all quarters of the Federal government would have been different.
People forget puerto rico because they found a few warehouses and runways full of untouched relief supplies in 2020. All the aid from the mainland was just sitting around while the pr government was saying "trump bad". A runway full of bottled water that actually went bad from being neglected in the hot sun for weeks on end. warehouses in the cities full of cots, rations and blankets.

So all anyone remembers is the crooked PR politicans fucking over the islanders.
 
There was also hundreds of palets of water that rotted away at the air fields/ports and never got distributed by the puerto rican government.
The country still functions like any other Carribean state despite having been under American influence for over a hundred years.
A runway full of bottled water that actually went bad from being neglected in the hot sun for weeks on end.
How does bottled water go bad?
 
The country still functions like any other Carribean state despite having been under American influence for over a hundred years.

How does bottled water go bad?
Plastic leeches into the water and makes it taste extremely foul. I've worked in a warehouse in the summer and while heat fouled bottled water won't kill you right away it's definitely not good long term.
Basically your water tastes like plastic and you're getting microplastics leeched into your water. But it's better than dying of dehydration in an emergency.
 
east germany, alot of old forest and cliffs.

you can cut very very long roads into a forest in pretty short time. a forest isnt that dense in trees and you only need 4 meters, thats one tree every couple of hundred meters. but well sling loading a pallet of water and MREs and airlifting it is much faster and alot less demanding.
Fine, imagine the Black Forest then. Steep mountains and deep narrow valleys.

One tree every hundred meters? Is that even a forest? The old growth hardwood forests in the affected areas are extremely dense. You can see in the photos and videos how many trees have fallen onto houses and across roads.

What works for Germany doesn't work everywhere. Especially not in the mountains of eastern North Carolina.
 
Cut a road, where?
While @Stoneheart is a precious retard, he's not exactly wrong. Some of you are acting like building roads in the mountains is some lost Roman technology.

Random video from a medium sized contractor from eastern Kentucky out there getting shit done as proof it's not impossible.
 
Back