LawTube - Lawyers sperging at each other on YouTube

He always has his philosophical musings and novel takes on physics to fall back on! Joe can explain how he does not believe in Special or General Relativity again! He only did 3-4 streams on it last time!

This of course can be used to explain cocaine metabolites in Nick's daughters' hair. Maybe he can use quantum tunneling to explain the non-zero probability of how the cops planted drugs in Nick's safe and on his nose. It's science.
 
Joe is delusional. He is the perpetrator here, he did something wrong and then tried to fight it when every halfway sane lawyer would have told him to settle right away.

He can try to gaslight his audience, but he does not deserve a shred of sympathy. On the contrary, he is a slimy debt collector who threatens people with prison and fake court documents. He admits as much in the deposition where he says "this should not have gone out to someone in another state".
Thereby admitting this kind of stuff goes out to in-state debtors all the time.

The slimy retard deserves the judgement and all the scorn he is not getting.
 
Joe is delusional. He is the perpetrator here, he did something wrong and then tried to fight it when every halfway sane lawyer would have told him to settle right away.

He can try to gaslight his audience, but he does not deserve a shred of sympathy. On the contrary, he is a slimy debt collector who threatens people with prison and fake court documents. He admits as much in the deposition where he says "this should not have gone out to someone in another state".
Thereby admitting this kind of stuff goes out to in-state debtors all the time.

The slimy retard deserves the judgement and all the scorn he is not getting.
I don't think this idiotic stereotypical Jew appreciates remotely the view normal people have of even debt collectors who comply with all the laws and do all the things. There are plenty of ways of being a gigantic asshole to collect a debt that are entirely within the law.

Now, me, I take a more charitable view of these things. Contracts are important. Enforcing them is important. Even total lolberts admit society can't exist if signing on the dotted line means nothing. Nobody likes debt collectors. Nobody wants to be on the working end of what they do. But they're a necessary evil.

However, as a necessary evil, like government itself, there are limits on what you can do.

And this asshole clearly went well beyond them. Joe is the debt collector equivalent of a dude doing 90 in a school zone drunk off his ass acting like he's the victim.

And he's not merely making lame defenses, because he knows he has no defenses, because the court REJECTED his defenses resoundingly and even helpfully pointed out that the plaintiff in the FDCPA case he got raped in could have gone after him for even MORE shit, but calling the people who came to the same conclusion as a federal judge did that they're somehow "fools," "ignorant," and "insane."

You know, for reading what a federal judge wrote and agreeing with it because it's obviously correct.

The only advice anyone should offer Jew Liarman is this:
 
He did not have a show, and he pushed it off:

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Joe has deployed his Serious Face, haters BTFO.

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oe is delusional. He is the perpetrator here, he did something wrong and then tried to fight it when every halfway sane lawyer would have told him to settle right away.
Not how it works.

There is no "good guy" in this story.

The debtor owed $8k. He claimed the demand letter caused him stress. He hired a lawyer that went after Joe. They would not accept a settlement.

It's a scam. Watching a shady lawyer go after a debt collector is entertaining but don't pretend the shady lawyer is the good guy. They racked up a $200,000 legal bill to collect a claim of $20k of emotional damage. The judge cut the demand in half so Joe owes $117k total for his illegal demand letter.

He fucked up by representing himself but whatever this is, it's not a good guy getting one over on a bad guy. It's a shady lawyer racking up a legal bill grossly out of proportion to the demand. Imagine an estate lawyer racking up a $200k legal bill trying to protect a $20k estate. It should be criminal to do that.
 
Not how it works.

There is no "good guy" in this story.

The debtor owed $8k. He claimed the demand letter caused him stress. He hired a lawyer that went after Joe. They would not accept a settlement.

It's a scam. Watching a shady lawyer go after a debt collector is entertaining but don't pretend the shady lawyer is the good guy. They racked up a $200,000 legal bill to collect a claim of $20k of emotional damage. The judge cut the demand in half so Joe owes $117k total for his illegal demand letter.

He fucked up by representing himself but whatever this is, it's not a good guy getting one over on a bad guy. It's a shady lawyer racking up a legal bill grossly out of proportion to the demand. Imagine an estate lawyer racking up a $200k legal bill trying to protect a $20k estate. It should be criminal to do that.
Joe should have settled from the start. He knew he fucked up but kept doubling down
 
Was a settlement possible? I mean "I want $20k and $200k in legal fees" sounds a bit excessive. I haven't seen what settlement was offered, if any, or if it was less than what was awarded.
He just said they wanted 13k to start.

He got out snaked. Such is the nature of the game.
 
Not how it works.

There is no "good guy" in this story.
The guy owed money, sure.

But!

1) Joe used illegal practices in an attempt to collect
2) He could not even send in the court documents to prove the claim was real

Why the fuck would you ghost a debtor? He might have gotten out of this without the lawsuit if he had simply followed up properly and provided the court documents for the underlying judgement.

He might have gotten fucked by an equally slimy lawyer, but to get there he first had to break the law.
 
GoodPilpul living in Copesville:
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Edit: reading through the thread I noticed that Nierman's partner was Porat and that Levy's lawyers are Schlanger (lol) and Nahoum. Is there not a single goy involved in this trashfire?
 
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It was just ONE LETTER guys, $117,000 for one letter isn't that just insane?
I didn't even follow up on it! (ignore the fact that I admit that's only because the guy's lawyer called me and I realised I got caught)

I'm actually mildly MATI at a fucking industrial scale debt collector, of all professions, that sent out a fraudulent subpoena is now crying foul about opposition lawyers chasing high legal fees by drawing things out. You live in the sewer end of legal practises, don't act high and mighty.
 
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So is it a skill issue or simply a matter of natural order (israel kike > new york kike)? I think the guy who joe went after was directly from israel? :story:

Yes, and Joe complaned that he did not get the correct or consistent testimony in deposition, so he HAD to keep asking the same questions. The judge got involved to tell him how to properly form questions, and when the plaintiff counsel started deposition of their client, they started by asking if he needed a translator. Joe got upset and claimed that they were going to claim that as a tactic to explain why he never gave clear or consistent answers.

The guy owed money, sure.

But!

1) Joe used illegal practices in an attempt to collect
2) He could not even send in the court documents to prove the claim was real

Why the fuck would you ghost a debtor? He might have gotten out of this without the lawsuit if he had simply followed up properly and provided the court documents for the underlying judgement.

He might have gotten fucked by an equally slimy lawyer, but to get there he first had to break the law.
It was just ONE LETTER guys, $117,000 for one letter isn't that just insane?
I didn't even follow up on it! (ignore the fact that I admit that's only because the guy's lawyer called me and I realised I got caught)

I'm actually mildly MATI at a fucking industrial scale debt collector, of all professions, that sent out a fraudulent subpoena is now crying foul about opposition lawyers chasing high legal fees by drawing things out. You live in the sewer end of legal practises, don't act high and mighty.

Joe probably thought (correctly) that most debtors settle or ignore it, so Joe would just move on to the next debtor to harass.



While Joe is interesting, Gosney has re-doubled himself on hawking his book wares:

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Joe just put up a thumbnail for a midnight stream about his 117K judgement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bUHoECa8g

Summary & Timestamps for the interested:

  • @1:05:42 Joe discusses his lost case
  • @1:07:40 Origins of his debt-collecting business, ROJ (Recovery of Judgement), with his partner Shawn (~2012).
  • @1:14:15 Joe explains his understanding of the FDCPA.
  • @1:18:37 Consequences of violating the FDCPA.
  • @1:19:23 2017 offer to purchase ROJ; training agreement.
  • @1:21:30 ROJ had a practice of sending letters with legal backing by the name of "Law Office of J Henry Nierman .", stamped by his own signature. The officer manager was authorized to use this stamp. He did not check up every stamped letter containing his own signature.
  • @1:23:46 Key judgment that was assigned to ROJ (Matt Morrison and Andy Yen against Shaul Levy) entered in March 2010 in housing court (he screenshares part of the judgement).
  • @1:25:44 Explains that during the transition period with a skeletal staff, a letter with a subpoena was sent to Shaul Levy, demanding compliance and outlining potential consequences for non-compliance.
  • @1:26:58 Joe recounts the Levy's attorney's complaint and accusations, stating he does not remember sending the letter, nor does anyone in the office.
  • @1:28:59 After selling the company in January 2018, Joe was served with a federal lawsuit alleging that the judgment and letter violated the FDCPA and caused emotional distress to Shaul Levy, which Joe recounts dismissively. He also points out his own lack of malpractice insurance at the time.
  • @1:33:30 Joe explains that the judgment resulted from a housing court stipulation, indicating that Shaul Levy, as a tenant, negotiated an agreement to stay in his apartment in exchange for paying $8,700. He emphasizes that Levy’s claim of being unaware of the judgment is false, as Levy negotiated and agreed to it (he screenshares the document again).
  • @1:36:30 Acknowledges that the letter did not comply with the FDCPA and explains the chaotic state of ROJ during the transition period when the letter was sent.
  • @1:37:07 Describes his attempt to negotiate and dismiss the claims, believing the lawsuit was based on lies about the judgment and viewing it as a one-time accident that caused no real harm. He refuses the initial offer of $13k.
  • @1:38:00 Joe expresses disbelief at the claims of distress, contacts a family friend attorney to represent ROJ while he represents himself.
  • @1:40:06 Judge Roman spent over a year on the motion for summary judgment, ultimately finding in favor of the plaintiff, declaring Joe personally liable due to his authorization of staff to use his stamp. Legal fees demanded from Joe exceeded $100,000. Attempts to negotiate were met with aggressive demands from the plaintiff's side.
  • @1:42:22 Joe hires a new attorney experienced with aggressive plaintiffs, hoping to mitigate the damages and resolve the case.
  • @1:44:08 Joe's lawyer cites a TransUnion case that requires actual damages for legal fees to be imposed. Shaul Levy and his wife testify about emotional distress, with Joe finding the wife's testimony more credible and sympathetic. Joe’s lawyer files a motion to dismiss the case due to lack of emotional damages, but the judge rules that legal fees can be collected if incurred.
  • @1:46:56 Legal fees for the plaintiff exceed $200,000, and a Magistrate Judge reduces this by 45%.
  • @1:48:14 Joe's lawyer discusses appealing the judgment and the costs involved, recommending to stop the legal battle and accept the $117,000 judgment.
  • @1:49:31 Mentions the new law he helped establish.
  • @1:54:59 Criticizes the concept of schadenfreude, viewing it as a sign of personal misery and a twisted mindset.
  • @2:05:09 Joe shares how the plaintiff's side assumed he was wealthy, leading to aggressive demands during negotiations.
  • @2:25:11 Joe believes the lawyer pursued the case to make an example out of him, thinking he was a shady operator.
EDIT: I also added a comment under the video with the same timestamps. Easier to click on them. Not sure if Joe will eventually delete this comment, though.
(P.S.: For those worried about link trackers, the second part of the above link is not a tracker. It simply redirects to the comment ID with the timestamps. If my comment does not appear on top as a 'Highlighted comment,' it means it was deleted.)
 
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