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[Bonesjones]

I mean, one there's likely not nearly enough rolling stock in the country to evacuate Tampa in a reasonable time unless you're using boxcars.

You'd definitely want to use box cars, mass evacuation prioritizes speed and efficiency not comfort.

And they're also missing where do these trains go. Eventually the people have to get off the train. With cars once people are out of the danger zone they can disperse to different locations, friends, family, hotels, or even just sleep in the car.

Every sports stadium should be mandatory evacuation sites for refugees. They want hundreds of millions in tax dollars, that's the deal.

You can also store tens of even hundreds of gallons of gas easily (diesel even easier) whereas gigawatts of electricity isn't being stored by anyone.

Being hit hard by Helena, we had people running convoys of trucks loaded with 40+ gas cans to fill up out of town. There also was attempted road piracy with firearms involved in warding it off, but that's only "rumors".

When they see the prepper chud cooking using his propane camp stove and evacuating using his gas SUV. The redditor will still go "well aksually this is why he's actually the one who's fucked". While the redditor sits in his dark apartment with whatever leftover doordash meals are slowly going bad in his warm refrigerator.

It's funny how much work got done before the government was even awake by guys with tools and trucks. It would have taken multiple weeks to clear roads and trees instead of between 7 to 10 days to get power restored to most people, just because every person with a landscaping business or other related profession had done it all. Every where I look and have seen around town is fundamentally altered forever.

 

[Yamamura]

The interesting thing to me about all this is it goes to show what an ideological echo chamber will do to people. Some fuckcars users have admitted before there's certain scenarios where using a car/truck just makes more sense like when moving houses. However there was a point where they became so off the rails that they can't even admit that using an SUV makes sense even if it's a life or death situation where they're going to die. They still have to keep their ideological reservations down to the bitter end.

They can't swallow their pride and just admit, "ok that's kind of a good idea, maybe I should put aside my autistic fixation for just a second during this emergency".

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

You'd definitely want to use box cars, mass evacuation prioritizes speed and efficiency not comfort.

You know the very next thing they'd be crying about is the safety and comfort of the heckin' disabled and DEI specimens on the evacuation train, it's so bad for them.

these faggots are their own worst enemy

 

[TowinKarz]

They still have to keep their ideological reservations down to the bitter end.

They can't swallow their pride and just admit, "ok that's kind of a good idea, maybe I should put aside my autistic fixation for just a second during this emergency".

They're that guy in the joke about how he's praying for God to help him as his town floods instead of accepting rescue from a guy in a truck, a boats and finally a helicopter.

Naturally, he drowns, and goes before God where he demands to know why his prayers weren't answered.

And God says "I sent a truck, a rowboat and a helicopter, what did you want?"

But played dead straight.

 

[Eventide]

They can't swallow their pride and just admit, "ok that's kind of a good idea, maybe I should put aside my autistic fixation for just a second during this emergency".

If a "fuckcars" person died in a hurricane (and/or other natural disaster) due to refusing to evacuate in a vehicle that isn't a bike, would that be a Darwin Award, or suicide?

 

[Markass the Worst]

Why are they so obsessed with evacuating via train? Has there been a case in Europe or elsewhere where people got out faster via train than car?

Genuine question because I looked and the only thing I could find was people getting on trains to flee Ukraine when the war started (Mother Nature doesn't give you as much time).

I love how they don’t consider that Insurance premiums would skyrocket to the point that getting insurance doesn’t make sense anymore. Getting raped by the big insurance companies

They're the type to not even know how insurance works. To them insurance is just a magical thing that means you get your shit replaced "for free."

If a "fuckcars" person died in a hurricane (and/or other natural disaster) due to refusing to evacuate in a vehicle that isn't a bike, would that be a Darwin Award, or suicide?

It would be a good outcome.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

They can't swallow their pride and just admit, "ok that's kind of a good idea, maybe I should put aside my autistic fixation for just a second during this emergency".

Whenever there's hurricane rescue pictures l always think back to that gooner on 4chan who turned a famous photo of a man rescuing an Asian woman (Hurricane Harvey, 2017) into an NTR fantasy.

 

[Eventide]

So I found a extraordinarily lulzy (definitely 100% fake made up bullshit) comment on the FuckCars subreddit hurricane thread that I just had to share here:



Thanks to the power of trains, the epileptic's Magic the Gathering event was saved from flooding Unlike the bike-riding commenter, his car-driving co-workers couldn't see the obvious solution to said flooding (trains. Choo choo. Thomas the Tank Engine ).

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Thanks to the power of trains, the epileptic's Magic the Gathering event was saved from flooding

This is the most hilarious amount of bullshit I’ve ever seen. “The tracks are above sea level” but the roads go through the fucking merkingdom!

That track gets washed out if you flush a bit too hard.

 

[Eventide]

This is the most hilarious amount of bullshit I’ve ever seen. “The tracks are above sea level” but the roads go through the fucking merkingdom!

That track gets washed out if you flush a bit too hard.

I first assumed it was a troll comment; but it's kinda hard to differentiate between trolls and regular ole' autist tards on the fuckbikes subreddit.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

They're the type to not even know how insurance works. To them insurance is just a magical thing that means you get your shit replaced "for free."

None of these people have ever had to deal with insurance because none of them own anything worth insuring. For them, "losing everything" is meaningless because all they have is their Steam library, and they can just get a new computer and redownload all their games again.

 

[DavidS877]

None of these people have ever had to deal with insurance because none of them own anything worth insuring. For them, "losing everything" is meaningless because all they have is their Steam library, and they can just get a new computer and redownload all their games again.

These are the same people when the riots happened a few years ago were all "The businesses have insurance." and then acted surprised when businesses closed due to their insurance dropping them.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is the most hilarious amount of bullshit I’ve ever seen. “The tracks are above sea level” but the roads go through the fucking merkingdom!

That track gets washed out if you flush a bit too hard.

Generally, roads will survive if they go underwater (I've driven on the same roads in Houston before and after Harvey when they were underwater), but rails don't. Railroads are only slightly elevated above the main ground due to the built-up ground around them but if they get a washout anywhere it's game over.

The crazy story is the story might've been believable if it wasn't for "tracks are above sea level and they're the first choice in an emergency". I know school children are taught a lot of bullshit in California but I'm sure that wasn't one of them.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Someone on /r/urbanplanning notices that Strong Towns' theory doesn't match reality:

I wanted to address this for a while now so lets compare a city with tons of public transportation with a car centric suburb of the LA metro area:

The point I will be selecting is fire services since their are good records for the budget. As a point of reference the Ponzi Scheme Subsidized Suburbs should look something like this:


As you can see here, fire services cost a suburban household about $406 vs a $177 for households in a City. The analysis is one favored by Strong Towns.
While the measure is HOUSEHOLDS, I will use per capita.

The budget (page 222) for 2018 for Huntington Beach Fire was $48,677,349 is 2018.* The population in 2018 was 200,217.

How about NYC?

The FDNY has a total budget of $1,980,000,000 the same year. The population was 8,397,000 in 2018.

Fire Service cost per resident​

(Suburban) Huntington Beach, CA	$243
(City) New York City, NY	$235

As such the difference in the fire department budgets is a total of 3.3% as compared to the 229% as depicted in the infographic.

*I purposely selected the year with the largest HBFD budget to steelman my position

 

[quaawaa]

I wanted to address this for a while now so lets compare a city with tons of public transportation with a car centric suburb of the LA metro area:
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The point I will be selecting is fire services since their are good records for the budget. As a point of reference the Ponzi Scheme Subsidized Suburbs should look something like this:
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As you can see here, fire services cost a suburban household about $406 vs a $177 for households in a City. The analysis is one favored by Strong Towns.
While the measure is HOUSEHOLDS, I will use per capita.

The budget (page 222) for 2018 for Huntington Beach Fire was $48,677,349 is 2018.* The population in 2018 was 200,217.

How about NYC?

The FDNY has a total budget of $1,980,000,000 the same year. The population was 8,397,000 in 2018.

Fire Service cost per resident​

(Suburban) Huntington Beach, CA	$243
(City) New York City, NY	$235

As such the difference in the fire department budgets is a total of 3.3% as compared to the 229% as depicted in the infographic.

*I purposely selected the year with the largest HBFD budget to steelman my position

Huntington Beach also has a per capita income of $60,654 compared to NYC’s per capita income of $48,066, so the car-dependent city spends less money as a percentage of income.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Remember this picture?



Like a lot of these things they're never sourced but I was being autistic and I cracked the code for this photo (often paired with "WHY DON'T KIDS GO OUTSIDE ANYMORE") using hints like locations of CheckSmart and 5xx area codes and that gave me enough of a hint that I looked closer at the karate sign to make out "Cincinnati". It is in fact near the intersection of Round Top and Colerain Avenue in Colerain Township (Cincinnati) Ohio.

As you can see the stoplights and turn lanes aren't nearly as close together in reality:

(the road has gone through minor upgrades since then but still remains mostly the same)


A lot more greenspace than an urban "paradise" that's what.

 

[LaxerBRO]

So I found a extraordinarily lulzy (definitely 100% fake made up bullshit) comment on the FuckCars subreddit hurricane thread that I just had to share here:

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Thanks to the power of trains, the epileptic's Magic the Gathering event was saved from flooding Unlike the bike-riding commenter, his car-driving co-workers couldn't see the obvious solution to said flooding (trains. Choo choo. Thomas the Tank Engine ).

They are referring to the 2018 Mudslides.

The road closures happened but the event did not:

Why would you host a major event only four days after a regional disaster? How many will attend the event if they could not get there?

Look at those stupid carbrains stuck in traffic trying to escape a hurricane:

This was already mentioned:

Humans are not individual units of measure. We are not fucking sims.

Hurricane Milton will destroy hundreds if not thousands of homes. Memories will be lost forever. Heirlooms swallowed by the flood waters and mud. Those that are lucky might have to spend a few days away from home.

Families can pack quite a few things in a car. That's not so for a train. This is not even considering the places people need to evacuate to might not be by a rail route.

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On the note of disasters, urban living is antithetical to disaster survival.

First, while I do acknowledge that apartment prepping can be done its far from practical. The challenges are space, the housing unit, and other people.

First, regarding space we see people like Jason denigrate persons buying in bulk and having a large pantry. Any space for preps will largely be taken up by your most important resource, water. Trust me, if the power goes out and you are on floor four of a five over on, the last thing you want to do is lug a few gallons of water up the stairs. Food may be a little easier but you won't be able to prep for much longer than a couple weeks.

My second issue is the housing unit. Despite suggestions that urban people know their neighbors better, research into this matter indicates otherwise:

Four-in-ten rural residents say they know all or most of their neighbors; the shares are smaller among those living in urban (24%) and suburban (28%) areas.

The people that you have around you are the key to your survival and are as important as any prep. While the difference between knowing ones neighbors is only 4% between suburbs and urban the issue is that of numbers.

Where I live, I have about six houses and about 30 people within about a half mile of me. I could help them with out with some of my preps and they in turn might help me out. Just off the top of my head, I have a left of center guy that is an alcohol salesmen in Spokane, my "next" door neighbor runs and owns a mechanic shop, and the guy across from my place is a surgeon who likes HAM radio. Each of these people can offer me something in return.

With a city, I am less hesitant to help out. Not only because of a lack of trust in large cities but because as seen with concentrating poverty so many people in need limits what a person thinks they can do to help. Even if FEMA manages to get off their ass and offer MRE / HDR they are likely to do it in certain groups to prevent a hoard of people. I don't want to carry a couple days worth of food in front of hungry eyes.

Last. if one does live in a five over one and their is a natural disaster, does the building have a generator? Does your unit have a balcony where a person can defecate and urinate? That RIFD lock on the door to the unit, does it lock or unlock when their is power loss? Do you trust your neighbors with fire? How does HVAC work in the building?

“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy”
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[Big Budoo Troy]

When you’re in a car you’re strapped down and can’t move. You can’t even get up to take a piss.

Vehicles you are personally in control of are famous for being unable to be pulled over to the side of the road, apparently.

I hate sitting in a car for long periods of time, especially if I’m driving, because you kinda have to pay attention to the road the whole time or everybody dies a fiery death.

Says it all, really. No, I don't want to have to do something that requires a bare minimum level of concentration for a few hours, I want to larp as a sardine in a can instead.

Whenever you see a table like that, where it's lists and lists of large, generic categories and then one specific thing, you immediately know it's completely bullshit.

Thank you for the research on HOW it is bullshit, but I knew it was garbage just by the graph style.

Any urbanist/environmentalist table of this sort made using passenger-kilometres is always going to be bullshit since it ignores 90% of the important factors that go into whether something is practical or not. Like how electrical vehicles get to be put so low despite lithium mining rendering entire regions of china and south america uninhabitable.

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I like how they all assume everyone would line up for the trains in an orderly fashion, women and children first style like on the Titanic, when it would almost certainly devolve into pandemonium, people skipping line en masse, stealing everyone elses shit they brought with them, etc. I have zero confidence in their ability to evacuate an entire american city via public transit without people either being killed en masse in crowd crushes or the trains leaving half empty because criminals claim cars for themselves. You'd need enough security to make post-9/11 airports look about as well guarded as the border between Belgium and Holland.

 

[maxell4hd]

The point I will be selecting is fire services since their are good records for the budget. As a point of reference the Ponzi Scheme Subsidized Suburbs should look something like this:
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I've seen this infograph posted many times by urbanists. It's particularly misleading because if you go to the original source:

https://lede-admin.usa.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2015/03/Halifax-data.pdf

You find they're comparing completely different types households. The suburban (C) has 3 members (families), while the urban (G) is only 1.6 (child-less households) and most of the costs are assigned simply by per-capita basis. Even though costs like policing, fire and transit are concentrated on certain (mostly dense and high-crime) areas and kids do not consume most services at the same level as adults. The study further increases its idiocy by using just property frontage as the major factor in calculating water and road.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The study further increases its idiocy by using just property frontage as the major factor in calculating water and road.

Some districts allocate sewer this way (others do it based on water usage at the property) because it basically results in a "progressive" allocation in that poorer people have smaller frontages and pay less, richer people have corner lots and bigger properties and pay more relatively.