I'm fairly certain that Tarpits are "Disposable but tough" units that you can throw at a problem to tie it up, aren't they?
What lawsuit?
I can see it, but it's also a big mistake unless they bring the prices down, which they won't do. I also don't think they really need to. I mentioned this a few pages back, but I had to ask if my old models, third party models, and custom paint schemes are still a thing because there is an obsession with having the latest GW plastic or else it doesn't count.
No.
Yeah the venatari can definitely fit that as well.
4-8 wounds at t3 with a 3+/4++/4+++ vs mortals isn't much for 40-80 points
That's true for virtually every competitive game. You always have a "meta" that a player can just pay to own and curbstomp 99% of the playerbase. Heck fucking Pokemon video games are pay to win because why spend literal weeks grinding an ultimate team when you can just have someone gift you hacked mons with perfect stat spread.
But it shouldn't be. When I used to play 3rd edition, those kind of tournaments were rare. Most people were there to have fun. What is derided as "beer and pretzel" games today. There likely was a meta, it wasn't something that was chased after. In the same way online games lost the care free fun of dedicated servers and LAN parties in favour of "skill based matchmaking", along with all the smurfing and toxic attitude that comes along with it.
In the end it's more the fault of the player base because every asymmetrical (and even some symmetrical) games will always have a clear better strategy and all it takes is one asshole that looks for other assholes online for what is mathematically a superior strategy and then using it for making the game unfun for everyone.
Think I'm the thread's Age of Sigmar only Player. What me and my (AoS) playgroup is mainly 40k refugees noticed is a lot of the newer 40K players came from magic the gathering and other tcgs and they have no clue how to wargame in the classical sense.
Even in the days of LAN parties playing brood war and other RTS games, metas for build orders absolutely existed to shave a couple of seconds off of getting specific units. A lot of people just weren't aware of them. FPS deathmatch games, were entirely about map control and pickup routes. Counterstrike in early beta? Yep, meta gun options, and bad gun options as well as whether or not something was a round to buy in or avoid early on to save cash for a more expensive gun. Even fighting games in arcades for ages, and on consoles, people know what metas are and look for things a casual player won't such as frame times and crap.
TTRPG communities and DMs also have the problem of looking at the game wrong. Damage per turn in straight combat or breaking a small subset of encounters matters not. The infamous "druid that polymorphs into a t-rex" exploit might trivialise open combat, but is useless in a murder investigation, or even in a small cave.
What's frustrating about this is that other hobbies don't have this problem. Football fans always make it to the match. People can make it to regular bike meets. But somehow TTRPGs and wargames are incapable of meeting once a week or even once a month.
I assumed it was the other way around. One thing I find interesting about AoS is that GW pushes Stormcast as fantasy space marines, but it's not as popular proportionally speaking.
As mentioned, I think they ignore games. When I quit, a lot of people were more interested in theory crafting than playing. As with TTRPGs, they complain constantly but when it comes time to roll dice it's nothing but excuses. I sometimes wonder if I'm the problem. Especially now because the hobby has moved on since my time playing 3rd.
They did just get a blood bowl team that's been up for preorder for a couple weeks now. Probably going to get a release for The Old World at some point.
It's funny you mention that, because objectives and missions are another thing I see these hyper casual 40k players bitch and moan about. Some people literally just want to smash minis into the center of the board and throw dice at eachother till someone wins with zero consideration of something basic like using "cover" because it's "cowardly"
Oh absolutely. TTRPGs are dirt cheap as a hobby, but most D&D5e campaigns seem to end before they get to lvl 5 because shit falls apart. And going to sports games? Tickets, parking/transit, food, that shit gets really expensive real fast. And those people also have jobs, kids, and other responsibilities. But wargamers, yeah I don't get it. Another excuse I've seen "I don't have the time to set aside 6 hours to play a game" well if you actually played and learned your rules it wouldn't take 6 hours to get in a single game, meanwhile the sports fans can fill their heads with all kinds of statistics for something they'll never actually participate in. I suppose it is true that TTRPGs and wargames as a hobby definitely attracts broken people who just don't have their shit together.
What, like you're the problem because you actually want to play? LOL, hell no. Yes shit has moved on since 3rd edition, the game plays differently. If you've got the ability to get some games in, then do it and see what happens. Find some pick up games and get some dice rolling done. From the past discussion about your armies will it mean some proxying and re-working what you've got into a list? Sure, but you can do that with some notes and newrecruit.eu
I don't know where you're at but I'm in the US, and there are definitely some areas within my state where if I weren't near a population center, it could definitely mean a 2 hour drive to get to a place to play a game where hopefully someone doesn't flake or I'd just be hoping to get there and sit around looking for a game and it isn't like mass transit is an option. Even in a populated enough area that I've got a few game stores within about a 30 minute drive, signing up for a local RTT means I can still get 3 games in, hopefully against people that actually know their rules, and stand a shot at completing those games in 3 hour rounds. Something I've heard about the UK as well is gaming clubs that I guess lease out retail or office space, have a membership covering the costs, issue keys to members, some people store things there, club maintains sets of terrain, starter armies for multiple games, etc. I can't imagine something like that in the US even standing a chance at getting off the ground.
In the mid to late 2000s, I think either 7 or 8. They sued a third party company for making models for units that GW did not. So in the codex would be rules for Flashgits or Ork Battlewagons, or like 5 different Tyranids, with no model. GW ended up losing the lawsuit for obvious reasons. That changed the trajectory of GW from that point on. They started killing off anything generic and started giving everything the new dumb names we have now, since they were all copyright able. It also coincides with less customization and more rule based units.
More that maybe I'm abrasive, or smell, or my ears are the wrong shape, something that people won't tell me but means they don't want to spend a couple of hours in my presence.
That does happen, but it's not the sunshine and roses American's portray it as. Maybe it's a grass is always greener thing, because I'm envious of America's who casually talk about their "hobby room" or "man cave" as if it's a given. There's no way I can set up a "standard" 4x8 table without a major rearrange of the biggest room in the house.
In my DH game our DM would occasionally do the “disarm the whole crew” for a meeting or force us into a stealth investigation system which generally meant our psyker would absolutely be the powerhouse until he was farted out of existence on a bad roll. There’s also frequent splitting of the party and sending us to different objectives. Of course there’s also sending us against a high level boss and many goons and then yanking us narratively out when it was obvious we were getting overwhelmed.
So basically you're in the same boat as at least half the other people in the hobby store?
LOL, hardly anyone has a hobby room with an actual wargaming table permanently setup. Aside from it being incredibly weird to be inviting people over unless they're already close friends, unless you've got a bunch of basement space(something that doesn't exist everywhere here) or a bunch of garage space(which is more likely if you're a nerd that isn't filling it with other hobbies) and aren't in an apartment, almost no one does that other than professional youtube types.
This doesn't really surprise me at all. Here you'll get groups of people, who have an army with them, but will just sit and yap about theory shit for hours in the store, or bitching about GW. If you propose actually playing, most of them will stop for a moment and remember that's what they actually went to the shop to do, and be willing to play.
Booking in advance seems kinda shit, makes a pick up game next to impossible unless you're scheduling that via discord or a facebook discussion or whatever. As for the rest, like I said these hobbies attract loads of people who just cannot get their shit together already, so putting that on the website isn't that much of a big deal unless you show up and it literally is tranny central.
£5!!! That shits excessive on its own. I used to attend a club which was about £15 a month and you could game as much as you want each week. Even if you didn't have a game you could show up, shoot the shit for a while and head off no qualms. I'm looking to go back in the future when I have my daemon project painted as that's one thing they were very particular about.
Tbf, sport games aren't dependent on everyone showing up and you can come even if you don't feel 100%. Gaming sessions, especially games like DnD can fall apart with one person missing, and if you don't feel good enough to actively participate then it can raise tensions.
One of the biggest issues Fantasy had was that it rules made 40k look simple and easy to understand. You even had rules on how many archers would be allowed to fire at a unit due to formation depth and spacing mechanics. When AoS made everything 40k-like, the rules also got rationalized and made less autistic and dumb.
It being per-game makes me imagine a situation where I turn up to play Kill Team, Space Hunk, or One Page Rules and end up having to pay for 3 games in as many hours. Realistically they likely wouldn't be strict about it, but it's still pricey.
What, you mean a 500 page rulebook, and having a fucking a pair of dividers at one point wouldn't help onboard people? Come on(and it was the "engineers ranging set" so damned extra but not in a terrible way... but not exactly something to draw people in to play, especially since people hardly played in stores.
Sure, but D&D games and even 40k narrative league type stuff doesn't just fall apart completely because 1 person missed a weekend either. They fall apart when people start refusing to show up on a regular basis with a slew of excuses, and you end up with enough people absent that you can't run something. And sure, going to watch a local sports game, that doesn't hinge on you actually using your season ticket for that weekend. But people can still make it to shit like a weekend bowling night on a regular basis, church or an equivalent every week, going to watch a movie every weekend or whatever. But in the tabletop hobby space, most people just don't have their shit together to be able to commit to the things they want to do, or at least claim to want to do.
