Victor Markhoff / Ana Victoria Markhoff / vvictorman_uel - Powerchair faker pooner, has every illness, allergic to Krebs cycle, bed mayo enjoyer, kicked out of house and mental hospital, constant ebeggar, applesauce heiress paid to yeet her teets

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

How does one cure a Munchie? I started thinking about it with the mom one that is always in bed and doesn't want to see her kids.

This is a perennial question, of course. It's a lot like curing an addict, there has to be some self-awareness and desire to address the problem otherwise it's just a waste of everyone's time. And even where such awareness exists, it's an uphill battle.

That woman would without a doubt be best off institutionalized. Not because it would get her better, but because it would remove her ability to harm her kids (she IS harming them) and would give her husband peace of mind that his obligations had been fulfilled and he could shift focus permanently.

Maybe isolating them from social media and these munchie circlejerking sessions?

Charlotte Perkins Gilman is going to get the sisterhood to hunt you down for saying such things.

(Turns out that people trying to solve the somatoform woman problem have tried that one before. The patients don't like it very much, but it seems to work, some of the time. No worse than anything else that was tried.)


edit: here is the evil, patriarchal, inhumane, cruel regimen prescribed to CPG resulting in the Yellow Wallpaper:

Perkins-Gilman married Charles Stetson in 1884, and less than a year later gave birth to their daughter Katharine. Already susceptible to depression, her symptoms were exacerbated by marriage and motherhood. A good proportion of her diary entries from the time she gave birth to her daughter until several years later describe the oncoming depression that she was to face.[11]

After nine weeks[when?], Gilman was sent home with Mitchell's instructions, "Live as domestic a life as possible. Have your child with you all the time ... Lie down an hour after each meal. Have but two hours' intellectual life a day. And never touch pen, brush or pencil as long as you live." She tried for a few months to follow Mitchell's advice, but her depression deepened, and Gilman came perilously close to a full emotional collapse.[12] Her remaining sanity was on the line and she began to display suicidal behavior that involved talk of pistols and chloroform, as recorded in her husband's diaries. By early summer the couple had decided that a divorce was necessary for her to regain sanity without affecting the lives of her husband and daughter.[13]

This was "spend time with your family, rest a lot and be kind to yourself, and get the fuck off Twitter" for her era. And this doctor lives in infamy as an evil hater. Huh.

 

[prolific_mango]

sorry for the huge images. i tried to go back and spoiler them or change to thumbnails but i guess you only have 60 minutes to edit a message? will do in future. also, apparently kendra was abused in her inpatient facility and is going to sue but idk im not reading her schizo scribbles. i can add if yall want.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

How does one cure a Munchie?

I’d like to zap a group of ME-havers with ECT. Wouldn’t work on the narcs obviously but I bet a couple of the others would snap out of it. Never gonna happen, though, they don’t want to get better and we can’t force treatment on people in clinical studies. Thanks a lot, Declaration of Helsinki.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I’d like to zap a group of ME-havers with ECT.

Really doubt it. If these people were sitting around catatonic with some kind of amorphous grief they could never chase away, maybe. NONE of them present like that. None. All are highly verbose, "smart," argumentative, attention-seeking neurotics. You can't ECT being a Johns Hopkins CTY kid out of anyone.

 

[Fapcop]

I know the feminist handwave for this is that women are somatizing the stress of living under muh patriarchal society. In which case you would think this would have reached its apex about 500 years ago, and been on a rapid decline into total irrelevance over the last 100 since suffrage. And yet...not even close. It's as bad as it ever was, maybe even worse since Woodstock and the second wave.

Huh.

Women affected? Must be something a man did!

 

[sarna]

You can't ECT being a Johns Hopkins CTY kid out of anyone.

Funny coincidence, the one ECT patient I know personally...

 

[Zemblan Physics]

Really doubt it. If these people were sitting around catatonic with some kind of amorphous grief they could never chase away, maybe. NONE of them present like that. None. All are highly verbose, "smart," argumentative, attention-seeking neurotics. You can't ECT being a Johns Hopkins CTY kid out of anyone.

Yeah, I’m not really thinking of the ME crowd on social media, but some of the patients I’ve had the misfortune to encounter irl presented as having melancholic depression (but refused to entertain that possibility). Should have clarified that.

 

[Fapcop]

I’d like to zap a group of ME-havers with ECT. Wouldn’t work on the narcs obviously but I bet a couple of the others would snap out of it. Never gonna happen, though, they don’t want to get better and we can’t force treatment on people in clinical studies. Thanks a lot, Declaration of Helsinki.

Some high intensity LSD/psychedelic trips may do it, I suspect.

Or being placed in environment with zero asspatting/enabling and no internet.

Want something to eat? There you go, there’s a fridge and a kitchen right over there. Go make yourself a sandwich. Whining won’t help.

What’s that? You managed to feed yourself but the fridge is soon empty? Here’s a list of tasks you can do around the house that’ll earn you 5$ each. There’s a grocery store right down the street and no! They do not deliver!

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The only reason anyone even wants to brainstorm reasons to fix them is because they are (or once were) pretty girls.

That's a big clue, right there.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

The only reason anyone even wants to brainstorm reasons to fix them is because they are (or once were) pretty girls.

That's a big clue, right there.

Yes. Pretty girls are likely to be given the "no chores, all accomplishments" treatment I mentioned above. Ugly girls have to fend for themselves more. No one thinks an ugly girl has a shot at a husband who will let her recline on the chaise longue all day eating bon bons if only she applies herself at the clarinet and AP calculus well enough to get into Swarthmore and become the starter wife of a future investment banker.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

The only reason anyone even wants to brainstorm reasons to fix them is because they are (or once were) pretty girls.

That's a big clue, right there.

lol, you should meet some of the bearded 600 lb fibro to EDS/POTS/ME pipeline ladies in my area. But I see your point.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

lol, you should meet some of the bearded 600 lb fibro to EDS/POTS/ME pipeline ladies in my area. But I see your point.

That is a completely different crowd from the twitter "mutual aid" crowd we have been talking about in here. A lot of those are people who actually did have to work for a living at some point, whose labor was devalued on a mass scale to the point of worthlessness, and whose only hope of not dying on the street is grifting the disability system.

Look up Last Psychiatrist for the full analysis of that situation.

 

[Aunt Carol]

she demands everyone in her vicinity wear mask, but her kids' basically whole school should wear masks too. How much more entitled and insane can you be? I bet that even if it was done, she would still not see her children because she "doesn't want to risk it", anyway.

This practice reminds me of MCS, multiple chemical sensitivity, which @Larry David's Opera Cape missed on the list of culture-bound somatic disorders and I would argue has had more cultural influence than Morgellon's.

Obviously the long COVID lady isn't worried about chemicals and fragrances, but the practice is the same: pilgrims to her cell must purify themselves of the taint of the World, change clothing, and approach her with her holiness in mind.

Yeah, I'm saying it: let's dust off those anchorite cells and help these people go full Julian of Norwich. Culture-bound syndromes have culture-bound solutions.

 

[Fapcop]

lol, you should meet some of the bearded 600 lb fibro to EDS/POTS/ME pipeline ladies in my area. But I see your point.

Likely some of the same mechanisms at play, though in a different way.

Fat, ugly girl feels like a failure of a woman. Can’t get attention because of the way she looks, milks the “OhWOESME!”

This is of course 100% fembrained behavior, since men know they’re likely to be told to man up, shut up and endure. But women, especially unattractive women, have been socialized to “be kind”.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I know the feminist handwave for this is that women are somatizing the stress of living under muh patriarchal society.

Nah, they are somatizing the stress of being overwhelmed with their lives (whether those lives are actually stressful or not) and/or the fact that they have personality disorders.

Women who are overwhelmed by something in their life (and/or have personality disorders) psychosomatize their problems and take to their bed; men with the same issues either leave and start new lives or hang themselves in the garage.

It's as bad as it ever was, maybe even worse since Woodstock and the second wave.

I'm convinced there used to be far more outlets for this kind of stuff. Religion, for example. Women who were bored or sick of their screaming kids could withdraw from the world and start going crazy for Jesus or throw themselves into religious trances or just start spending all their time at church (yes, I am aware there is a subset of religious munchies, but I still think it's an outlet that prevents a lot of cases). That is not an option anymore among the SJW crowd, and neither are a lot of the other old release/coping mechanisms. I feel like all we have left now is health, as a societal obsession.

 

[The Judean People's Front]

Morgellon's- Joni Mitchell was among them, I believe

Morgellons!! Sorry, OT, but that's my personal favorite totally made up munchie illness. I wish more people did that one. Joni Mitchell's interview about it was what got me interested in munchies.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

How does one cure a Munchie?

Several weeks with a no-nonsense caretaker in a log cabin with wholesome home cooked meals and no access to communications equipment with some regular exercise and light manual labor. Failing that, a short hike to a shallow hole in the ground.

 

[Free the Pedos]

pains me to say this, but women are more susceptible to social contagion

Women score higher than men on Openness on the 5 Factor Model of personalities. Openness to other ideas can be a good thing—women are more likely to learn new things and take advice—but you can go too far.

@Larry David's Opera Cape I do not understand how you got this:
This was "spend time with your family, rest a lot and be kind to yourself, and get the fuck off Twitter" for her era. And this doctor lives in infamy as an evil hater. Huh

From her bio. The doctor’s instructions are a recipe for depression and the opposite of what you’d tell a depressed mom today: spend all time indoors glued to your child, don’t see anyone outside of your husband and kid, lay in bed as much as possible, don’t do anything to distract yourself from your rumination.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Morgellons!! Sorry, OT, but that's my personal favorite totally made up munchie illness. I wish more people did that one. Joni Mitchell's interview about it was what got me interested in munchies.

I think Morgellon's didn't take off as much as it could because of Matchbox Sign. If you're saying you have a mysterious medical problem that The Establishment wants to cover up--OK, plausible, plenty of people are interested, go on.

But "...and these are the worms I pulled out of my skin to prove it!" immediately puts you with the "alien implant" people and the people who take pictures of sloughed intestinal wall from bleach enemas and call them "worms." Those people have communities, but they stay much smaller than even the communities of people with completely invisible symptoms. You have to get people in really deep before they accept poop photos.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Women score higher than men on Openness on the 5 Factor Model of personalities. Openness to other ideas can be a good thing—women are more likely to learn new things and take advice—but you can go too far.

I'd argue women's higher agreeableness is just as important, if not more.

But you are right, women being social conformists is usually a good thing in a healthy society. Humans dominated the world by working together in groups. You can't do that without some level of conformity (I say this as a low-agreeableness person myself who personally can't stand that shit). It only becomes a negative when the society is unhealthy at the top, and those shitty ideas start being the things that women push everyone to conform to.