The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

[CaptainAutism69]

Have they even been charged?

Wat?? They haven't even been *charged*? This happened months ago! Which part of 'caught on camera attacking armed police officers' needs so long to charge?

 

[BongoMongo]

Wat?? They haven't even been *charged*? This happened months ago! Which part of 'caught on camera attacking armed police officers' needs so long to charge?

Skin colour and religion. That's your short answer.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Skin colour and religion. That's your short answer.

But that’s racist…

 

[BongoMongo]

But that’s racist…

Well, Islam isn't a race...

 

[AnOminous]

Well, Islam isn't a race...

Despite that, whenever you start talking about how vile radical Islam is as an ideology, a bunch of retards will start screaming muh waycism at you. Even though Islamic terrorism has featured many Western-born white converts (I'm not calling them reverts like the slimes do).

 

[QE65]

finally those people are starting to wake up

Surely this is a matter of perspective? I've seen comment after comment like this following the riots and I have had a completely different experience. It seems very dependent on your individual circumstances. I have had encounter after encounter with people where the topic of the riots has been raised and then proceeded in a negative light. This is in a middle income suburb in a conservative constituency. Not one person was supportive of the rioters. It wasn't a case of 'I'm scared to admit what I truly think', it was a case of reiterating the standard talking points of the BBC and media more widely:

• Tommy Robinson is a racist and instigated the riots. This is despite there being little to no evidence of any instigation.
• The riots were organized by the EDL.
• The rioting was a bunch of "Norf FC" racist football hooligans. Partly true, but ignores the initially peaceful demonstrations (which often had higher attendance).
• Looting shops and destroying public property to own Abdul is a bad look. I actually agree with this one.
• It's no different to the riots of 2011. Punishments and arrests are comparable.
• The prison sentences are largely justified. Ignores the cases of people arrested and sentenced for social media posts — which is more concerning.

Don't assume that there is always a silent majority who side with the protesters based on the posts in this thread and on Twitter/X. In my experience, this is just not the case. Most people are continuing their day-to-day lives and letting the riots fall into the back waters of the weekly news cycle. Look at the lack of interest around the stabbing attack in Southport. At this point, the best we can expect is a headline that is buried in the sports column of the broadsheets.

We are living in a time where people have their own facts. Many don't even want to consider the possibility that their perspective isn't nuanced or fully accurate.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Surely this is a matter of perspective? I've seen comment after comment like this following the riots and I have had a completely different experience. It seems very dependent on your individual circumstances. I have had encounter after encounter with people where the topic of the riots has been raised and then proceeded in a negative light. This is in a middle income suburb in a conservative constituency. Not one person was supportive of the rioters. It wasn't a case of 'I'm scared to admit what I truly think', it was a case of reiterating the standard talking points of the BBC and media more widely:

• Tommy Robinson is a racist and instigated the riots. This is despite there being little to no evidence of any instigation.
• The riots were organized by the EDL.
• The rioting was a bunch of "Norf FC" racist football hooligans. Partly true, but ignores the initially peaceful demonstrations (which often had higher attendance).
• Looting shops and destroying public property to own Abdul is a bad look. I actually agree with this one.
• It's no different to the riots of 2011. Punishments and arrests are comparable.
• The prison sentences are largely justified. Ignores the cases of people arrested and sentenced for social media posts — which is more concerning.

Don't assume that there is always a silent majority who side with the protesters based on the posts in this thread and on Twitter/X. In my experience, this is just not the case. Most people are continuing their day-to-day lives and letting the riots fall into the back waters of the weekly news cycle. Look at the lack of interest around the stabbing attack in Southport. At this point, the best we can expect is a headline that is buried in the sports column of the broadsheets.

We are living in a time where people have their own facts. Many don't even want to consider the possibility that their perspective isn't nuanced or fully accurate.

Even on this forum plenty of people go with whatever opinion they get from journalists. You see it about everything. Donald Trump, the covid pandemic, the ukraine war, everything else.

That's when they even have a clue. A lot of the time people are just completely ignorant.

 

[Small G genocide]

This could be the reason why Guido is keeping his mouth closed, people are already paying out to avoid getting sued (sorry, I’m a phone fag and can’t archieve)

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19947018.baroness-chapman-paid-false-claim-affair-keir-starmer/

If he has evidence he needs to publish and be damned or shut up.

I suspect the only person with enough legally robust enough evidence to actually be able to break the story is gaylord Mandelson. If Guido, the torygraph or @CitizenJournalist1066 had enough evidence, they'd have ran with it. Nothing moves in British politics unless the dark lord permits it, and he doesnt have a track record of attacking sitting PMs. Though, Starmer has pissed off blair monumentally, rejecting his advice and cancelling his projects. I think he'll move when the starmer situation becomes untenable.

 

[FedPostalService]

I suspect the only person with enough legally robust enough evidence to actually be able to break the story is gaylord Mandelson. If Guido, the torygraph or @CitizenJournalist1066 had enough evidence, they'd have ran with it. Nothing moves in British politics unless the dark lord permits it, and he doesnt have a track record of attacking sitting PMs. Though, Starmer has pissed off blair monumentally, rejecting his advice and cancelling his projects. I think he'll move when the starmer situation becomes untenable.

He’s not above click bait. If he has evidence just post what that evidence is and don’t make any statements about it. You can’t be sued for publishing a birth certificate without any commentary. You could go and confirm any details on it yourself after that.

 

[BongoMongo]

What's this whole thing about Starmer allegedly having ditched his wife and shacked up with someone who's not his wife, then siring a bastard? Wasn't it meant to be that female MP - allegedly, that is - who got paid off because of the rumours? Just because she sued for busted feels doesn't mean the allegations aren't true.

I find it fucking hilarious that the man who used to be in charge of the CPS, who's meant to be some kind of bastion of justice, has broken his wedding vows (allegedly) and allegedly sired a kid out of wedlock and is now hiding behind the law to prevent us knowing what sort of allegedly morally geubby little shit he is.

 

[BongoMongo]

I can't edit my post, so apologies for the double post. Has anyone seen that stuff going around on social media recently? I don't use it myself. But people referencing the dental care illegal migrants are given in the UK. Basically, the Goverment is paying for taxis, the appointments themselves, and for interpreters to attend, while NHS dentistry fundamentally does not exist.

What are people's thoughts on that? Is it fair that someone who lied to get into this country had their dental care fully funded while people who live and work and contribute here are told to go fuck themselves? Private dental care in the UK is appallingly expensive, and where the hell does the portion of our taxes alloted for NHS dentistry go, exactly?

Does anyone have first hand experience of the situation described above? Do you know any private dentists who get the "guests" and their interpreters taxid in?

We have a hotel in our town centre which is full of "guests". They're always torn faced, surly, maungy looking bastards. I cannot imagine being so ungrateful and pissed off when I'd be getting free board, food healthcare, and a near-guaranteed visa away from the shithole I was born in. No wonder people were rioting over them, they're appalling people, who lie and cheat and con, to get to the country they want, and then they have the petulance to act aggrieved when they get there.

 

[FedPostalService]

I can't edit my post, so apologies for the double post. Has anyone seen that stuff going around on social media recently? I don't use it myself. But people referencing the dental care illegal migrants are given in the UK. Basically, the Goverment is paying for taxis, the appointments themselves, and for interpreters to attend, while NHS dentistry fundamentally does not exist.

What are people's thoughts on that? Is it fair that someone who lied to get into this country had their dental care fully funded while people who live and work and contribute here are told to go fuck themselves? Private dental care in the UK is appallingly expensive, and where the hell does the portion of our taxes alloted for NHS dentistry go, exactly?

Does anyone have first hand experience of the situation described above? Do you know any private dentists who get the "guests" and their interpreters taxid in?

This is on another of the long list of “I told you so“ I say to anyone who voted for Labour.

 

[Obstacle]

20 more days before Tommy Robinson goes to prison.
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The 26th is the day after St. Crispin's Day
Missed a trick by not moving it forward to coincide.

 

[BongoMongo]

This is on another of the long list of “I told you so“ I say to anyone who voted for Labour.

I'd be tempted to email my MP to ask if there's any truth in the situation and to ask why this is being done, when there's not a single NHS dentist within a 50 mile radius of me. I can afford private dental care, but there's others who are not so lucky.
There's ways an means around that, to be fair, but people aren't aware of it (short story is, go to your Doctor, get them to identify a pressing clinical need for you to see a Dentist, provide evidence you can't afford private dental care/travel significant distances to go to anNHS dentist - you get bonus points if you live alone, rely on public transit or don't have a significant social support network) and they'll basically force you into an NHS dentist in a reasonable-ish distance of where you live, but FS, it shouldn't be that hard.

I'm also keenly aware that it would get me on some kind of list, to be tarnished forever as a massive racist, and would doubtless get a knock on door from the Police. Because undr two-tier Kier, asking any questions about our Guests means you're Literally Hitler, right?

 

[Slimy Time]

This is on another of the long list of “I told you so“ I say to anyone who voted for Labour.

Wow we hate the Tories so much (for good reason) so we are going to show our displeasure by not voting or voting en masse for Labour. Might as well have jumped from being slow cooked on the pan and into the open flame.

 

[FedPostalService]

I'd be tempted to email my MP to ask if there's any truth in the situation and to ask why this is being done, when there's not a single NHS dentist within a 50 mile radius of me. I can afford private dental care, but there's others who are not so lucky.
There's ways an means around that, to be fair, but people aren't aware of it (short story is, go to your Doctor, get them to identify a pressing clinical need for you to see a Dentist, provide evidence you can't afford private dental care/travel significant distances to go to anNHS dentist - you get bonus points if you live alone, rely on public transit or don't have a significant social support network) and they'll basically force you into an NHS dentist in a reasonable-ish distance of where you live, but FS, it shouldn't be that hard.

I'm also keenly aware that it would get me on some kind of list, to be tarnished forever as a massive racist, and would doubtless get a knock on door from the Police. Because undr two-tier Kier, asking any questions about our Guests means you're Literally Hitler, right?

If it’s any like housing they will reply they are not being seen to on the NHS and not tell you that they are being seen and paid for privately by the tax payer.

 

[isalaide]

I can't edit my post, so apologies for the double post. Has anyone seen that stuff going around on social media recently? I don't use it myself. But people referencing the dental care illegal migrants are given in the UK. Basically, the Goverment is paying for taxis, the appointments themselves, and for interpreters to attend, while NHS dentistry fundamentally does not exist.

What are people's thoughts on that? Is it fair that someone who lied to get into this country had their dental care fully funded while people who live and work and contribute here are told to go fuck themselves? Private dental care in the UK is appallingly expensive, and where the hell does the portion of our taxes alloted for NHS dentistry go, exactly?

Does anyone have first hand experience of the situation described above? Do you know any private dentists who get the "guests" and their interpreters taxid in?

We have a hotel in our town centre which is full of "guests". They're always torn faced, surly, maungy looking bastards. I cannot imagine being so ungrateful and pissed off when I'd be getting free board, food healthcare, and a near-guaranteed visa away from the shithole I was born in. No wonder people were rioting over them, they're appalling people, who lie and cheat and con, to get to the country they want, and then they have the petulance to act aggrieved when they get there.

We have seen patients who are asylum claimants, but our NHS list is still open, so we don't turn new NHS patients away. We won't see them without an interpreter; I think the medicolegal risk there to the dentists is too high.

We run all the private cosmetic work out of a different surgery to the NHS ones; if an NHS patient wants cosmetic work done, we do it over there. The filler/botox clinic is run out of there too. Fancy premises in a nicer part of the city. It's what people expect when they are paying privately.

Tbf I understand the situation in England is dire as far as getting dentists to take on new NHS work. It was resolved (mostly) in Scotland a few years back by absolutely throwing money at dental practices to open the lists.

That said, you now only get one routine NHS checkup a year, even if you're under 16. And the services they will pay for have been cut back. So you can see your dentist on the NHS, but there's a fair chance the recommended treatment won't be covered on the NHS. Not talking purely-cosmetic work, either.

 

[BongoMongo]

If it’s any like housing they will reply they are not being seen to on the NHS and not tell you that they are being seen and paid for privately by the tax payer.

So, I guess the workaround to that, is to ask why there;s funds to do that for people who have lied and come here illegally, intentionally, but there's not money to do the same for British born nationals who work and pay taxes, who live in dental deserts?

The situation with NHS dental provision has been known to be appalling for a long time now, this was from back in 2017. From private dentist shopping myself, I know when I was looking around for one, the prices were all so alike, it's left me more convinced than ever that it's some kind of cabal running the show. Ultimately, what swayed me to mine was they're known for being extremely good with nervous patients, and their staff is majority white. I don't want to be treated by someone who has a signifiant language barrier with native spoken English.

@isalaide, where I live, there is not a single NHS dentist in a 50 mile radius taking on new adult patients. Not one. It's appalling.

You'd think with all the hoo-hah over covid a few years back and the fact that all the diseases which are major co-factors in death from Coof are inflammation linked, and thus linked to poor oral hygiene, they'd be more inclined to give a fuck about this issue. I find it bizarre Sir Kneels is more focussed on getting people to stop smoking than he is the fact that inflammation linked disease (vascular dementia, cardiac disease, rheaumatoid arthritis, tha beetus) which is caused by poor oral hygiene has a far, far greater cost and knock on effect than smokers, who are also aying sweet baccy duty on their cigs.

The cost of caring for peopleafflicted by such illness, the benefits paid, the cost of medication, and long term care is vast, and these dieases can be remedied by giving people access to low cost preventative dental care.

But nope, gotta pay for the boatscum and their interpreters to get taxis to a private dentist instead, right?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

interpreters to attend

Can confirm this part, for NHS Scotland at least. A massive chunk of the budget is going on translators. I believe for Lothian alone it was about £250,000 for translators alone. Not to mention the appointments take longer so each dentist can see fewer patients each day.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Wow we hate the Tories so much (for good reason) so we are going to show our displeasure by not voting or voting en masse for Labour. Might as well have jumped from being slow cooked on the pan and into the open flame.

As I keep pointing out, Labour got fewer votes than at the last election. The tories lost because of so many people switching to other parties in numbers sufficient to remove tory majorities. Labour's refusal to address this overall lack of support is going to tear the party to shreds before long.