The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

[isalaide]

There is money for school meals, and there is money for old people. The problem is the bastards in power who are spending that money on putting up immigrant scroungers in hotels at a staggering cost.
The ‘elderly’ contingent at the moment are the earliest boomers, born as the war ended. The ones I know grew up with rationing, no electricity or heating past a single coal fire, and outside toilets. They worked hard, from 14 or 16 when they left school, paid in all their lives and now own a small semi they keep neat. I do not begrudge them a penny. They are entitled to the healthcare and pensions they paid all their lives for.

We should be looking after our own cradle to grave, and while there’s a single British kid going to school hungry or a single pensioner too poor to put the heating on we shouldn’t be spending a single penny on young fighting age men from the third world.

I'm fine with both taking a chainsaw to public funding for immigration (legal and otherwise) and asylum obligations, but that's absolutely no reason not to dismantle the nonsense that is "but wor ould peepil".

They didn't buy some kind of retirement plan by simply paying the taxes levied on them. That money was gone the year it was raised to keep the old bastards of the time. They have this idea their 'stamp' was somehow hypothecated for them. It wasn't. Social security, in all its forms, is a Ponzi scheme, and they are holding the grenade when it goes off. It is absolute simpery at the societal level for the millenials and even worse, the zoomers to continue to pay a level of taxation they genuinely can't afford to maintain the lifestyles of boomers who assumed it would always be a land of milk and honey.

Keeping the triple lock on pensions whilst actively cutting funding to schools, in an economy that outside of the EU, now needs to compete more than ever in manufacturing and high skills work, is slow economic suicide. The slide into being a second world country is being actively accelerated by "but wor ould peepil" and their ever-escalating costs to the public purse and the NHS.

There's a big fucking hole in the boat, and those who can still swim can't keep all of the weak afloat. The only correct choice for the future of any of the UK is to keep the kids' heads above water.

I don't care how hard people worked in the 1960s. They are a burden now on a working age population that can't afford them. The economy of the component parts of the UK is undergoing a painful structural transition, and everyone is going to have to eat shit. The polydrug and carer-dependent army in their seventies and eighties is the physical manifestation of a luxury belief. We can't afford them any more. This "but we promised them" blah that gets reflexively rolled out has to stop. I didn't promise these people a fucking thing, and I'm not willingly paying for public services we can't afford now that will never benefit anyone currently paying for them. The Ponzi scheme has collapsed. Too bad, so sad. These people's own parents never meaningfully benefited from this scheme; it was a post-war aberration based on escalating growth that has collapsed. There is no fucking milk and honey.

We should look after our own in the cradle. The grave will come for them soon enough, and I'm not interested in mortgaging the future of the UK's young people to keep the decrepit hanging on.

People who are heavily concerned about the elderly, much as with immigrants, can always feel free to take them in and care for them themselves.

There is a lack of realism in the UK voter base about quite how soon some really hard choices are going to have to be made, and quite how hard they are going to have to be.

 

[The Ugly One]

We should be looking after our own cradle to grave

Sounds awfully racist to prefer your own elderly over the hordes of needy young men pouring in from Africa in unstoppable waves (you can walk from Libya to London in 10 minutes, nobody can stop them).

Social security, in all its forms, is a Ponzi scheme, and they are holding the grenade when it goes off. It is absolute simpery at the societal level for the millenials and even worse, the zoomers to continue to pay a level of taxation they genuinely can't afford to maintain the lifestyles of boomers who assumed it would always be a land of milk and honey.

And, let's not forget, that the #1 justification for the migrant hordes is today's elderly simply did not have enough children to keep the Ponzi going. Supposedly, they were going to fill in the gaps in the labor force and keep the retirement benefits funded (we all know how that worked out). It's true enough that it was unsustainable, but it fell apart even faster when the Boomers and each succeeding generation decided having kids wasn't that important.

Since it's just a generational transfer, you could cut it off tomorrow and tell everyone, "it's up to your kids and nephews and such to pay your rent, same as it was before, just the state won't be in the middle now."

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

We should look after our own in the cradle. The grave will come for them soon enough, and I'm not interested in mortgaging the future of the UK's young people to keep the decrepit hanging on.

We need a razorblade react for shit this edgy.

The whole problem with the welfare state is that it short circuited the reciprocal relationship between the young and the old and catered the birth rate by making children unnecessary for being cared for in old age. Hanging them out to dry would be a breach of the social contract as comprehensive as infininigger migration.

 

[isalaide]

We need a razorblade react for shit this edgy.

The whole problem with the welfare state is that it short circuited the reciprocal relationship between the young and the old and catered the birth rate by making children unnecessary for being cared for in old age. Hanging them out to dry would be a breach of the social contract as comprehensive as infininigger migration.

The decision to replace the unskilled native labourers of the UK countries with cheaper migrant labour was made by the very generation of voters who are now yelping about the insufficiency of their state retirement benefits. Remember exactly who you are talking about when you refer to 'the old'. It's not Dame Vera Lynn. Tony Blair is 71. The 'old' in the UK are economic neoliberals and globalists. This is the future they devised for everyone.

The damage to the economy and children's education done by lockdown was done at the shrieking demand of the over 60s, the very people who are now yelping about the inability of the damaged economy to pay for their triple locked gold plated benefits and non means tested winter fuel handout. Everyone was damaged, children worst of all, to protect those who would never again contribute to their nations, and who have repaid that by shrilly demanding ever more handouts.

It was not the zoomers who tore up the claimed 'social contract' of the UK. It should not be them who solely accepts the fallout of that decision. It would be a monumental act of self-harm to do so.

The over 60s in the UK voter base must be expected to accept responsibility and accountability for the long term consequences of their decision making.

 

[Midwit]

The decision to replace the unskilled native labourers of the UK countries with cheaper migrant labour was made by the very generation of voters

Nobody ever voted for immigration, the government just let them in anyway since they don't have to deal with the aftermath.

The over 60s in the UK voter base must be expected to accept responsibility

Responsibility for the situation that they certainly had no hand in making? If the public budget is such a concern why don't you start paying for all the fuel for the elderly since I know you're good for it, but we all know what the answer is and why.

 

[isalaide]

Nobody ever voted for immigration, the government just let them in anyway since they don't have to deal with the aftermath.

Responsibility for the situation that they certainly had no hand in making? If the public budget is such a concern why don't you start paying for all the fuel for the elderly since I know you're good for it, but we all know what the answer is and why.

This "nobody voted for immigration" is disingenuous handwashy bullshit.

Government after government has been elected in Westminster with actively pro-immigration stances. New Labour were elected three times. They did not achieve three enormous majorities without the support of those who are now in their 60s and 70s and wanting to know where their winter fuel payment is.

These are the long term consequences of those decisions, and the retired don't get to shove the bad consequences of their greedy short term decisions off onto people who weren't even fucking born when Blair came to power.

As our American A&N friends say, this is what you voted for.

I do not accept that the young workers of the UK have any more responsibility to pay the fuel bills of the elderly than they do to feed and house economic migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. You can disagree with that, and I'm sure people do, but that's "what the answer is and why" from my perspective. I don't think the working age population can afford it in the deteriorating, dwindling UK, and I don't think they have a moral obligation to it, either.

"You just don't care if they die!" No, I don't. Hard times make hard choices. There's a vast population lump with spiralling health and social care costs that are the major argument for mass immigration, to wash their arses and care for them. You cut that argument off very neatly if there are less of them.

The welfare and future of the countries of the UK are being mortgaged to meet the short term needs of those whose families are refusing to be responsible for them. If you're that worried about granny being cold, move her in with you. If she's demented and needs her nappies changed twenty times a day, take on her care yourself. I expect my parents in law to live with us in the next few years, and I welcome that responsibility. But it's our responsibility, not yours. You've never even met them.

I'm fucked if I can see why young strangers should have to give up their hopes of homes and families to prop up someone else's last few years of decrepitude.

I would reconsider that point if 100% inheritance tax was imposed. At least then the elderly would be giving what they had back to the society that cared for them when their families went on the missing list.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Government after government has been elected in Westminster with actively pro-immigration stances.

No, they were elected with the promise of "we will fix immigration and make everything better". In 1997, amongst other things, Labour repeatedly promised a complete overhaul of the immigration system to ensure that only the most urgent asylum cases and only "essential" workers would enter the country. They overhauled it alright, by opening the doors wide open to all and sundry, but they didn't get elected on a promise to open those doors. They blatantly lied about everything they were doing, with the full support of the media.

Voting turnout collapsed at the 2001 election, from nearly 75% of the voting population (close to the norm for almost the entire 20th century) to a little over 50%, and has never really recovered. Voters tunred out, because they had been lied to so throughly that they were disgusted with the entire thing. Labour once again promised to fix the problem they'd created, and that conned enough people to vote for them to retain a smaller majority, but the number of people who voted for them was far less than they got in 97. The only vote that got a turnout of more than 70% was the brexit vote, after which turnouts collapsed yet again, on the realisation that the government had once again gone out of its way to punish the people for voting to end endless immigration.

So no, we didn't vote for this. Every opportunity we were given, every tiniest sliver of hope for change we saw, no matter how tenuous, we voted against it. Every single time we thought "maybe this will be different, maybe they're actually telling the truth, maybe they'll finally give us what we've asked for". Every single time we were disappointed, and so now half of the voting age population doesn't even participate in the electoral farce.

 

[Otterly]

This "nobody voted for immigration" is disingenuous handwashy bullshit.

We didn’t though. I started writing out a whole screed here but @teriyakiburns covered it all. The British public have only ever voted against mass immigration, the only exception o can think of is the current admin who clearly stated they would open the doors.

New Labour were elected three times.

I never voted for Blair or any of his cronies. John smith, or robin cook might have been Ok leaders but both died younger than they should have. Brexit was a vote for less immigration, it was a vote that genuinely reflected the frustration people felt at having sovereignty stripped.
Voting doesn’t seem to do much does it? What does work is putting your own people in at a local and regional level

 

[BongoMongo]

Voting doesn't work. It doesn't mean anything. If it did, they wouldn't let us do it.It's a distraction, and an illusion of democracy, nothing more, nothing less.
Your vote, your voice means nothing. Less than, really.
It;s a disctraction, intended to keep us distracted and from focussing on fact like 1.5% own the arses of 98.5% of rest of us.

 

[HairyBadger]

Lord Alli? Sounds like Facebooker’s Facebooking.

Starmer is suspiciously well groomed but he’s got enough enemies now who would spread a story like that.

There is no legal injunction in place that I know of.

edit. Press. Nothing has come my way

 

[FedPostalService]

There is no legal injunction in place that I know of.

edit. Press. Nothing has come my way

No reporting of an injunction would mean a super injunction was in place, if it was an actual super injunction Guido Fawkes would jump over to Ireland and would be heavily insinuating about it on Twitter.

 

[HairyBadger]

No reporting of an injunction would mean a super injunction was in place, if it was an actual super injunction Guido Fawkes would jump over to Ireland and would be heavily insinuating about it on Twitter.

Nothing is happening.
Edit I am in Scotland and Super Injuctions tend not to apply in Scotland. See Michael something or other. Blocked in the English press, published in the Scottish press.

 

[HairyBadger]

Starmer as a Poofter is more wishful thinking than anything else.
A completely corrupt cunt, absolutely.

 

[FedPostalService]

Nothing is happening.
Edit I am in Scotland and Super Injuctions tend not to apply in Scotland. See Michael something or other. Blocked in the English press, published in the Scottish press.

I forgot about that. If it was proper scandal then The Herald would have published it.

 

[HairyBadger]

No reporting of an injunction would mean a super injunction was in place, if it was an actual super injunction Guido Fawkes would jump over to Ireland and would be heavily insinuating about it on Twitter.

In Scotland you can report that reporting restriction are in place.
It was the then home affairs secretary Michael Howard that tried to stop a story of his son smoking Weed.

The Scottish press ran the story and took the piss out of Howard for trying to stop it.

 

[HairyBadger]

No reporting of an injunction would mean a super injunction was in place, if it was an actual super injunction Guido Fawkes would jump over to Ireland and would be heavily insinuating about it on Twitter.

If there is a D Notice or a "Notice to not report" then I get a heads up to not report.

 

[HairyBadger]

If there is a D Notice or a "Notice to not report" then I get a heads up to not report.

Differences in requirements.

D Notices are blackouts .

 

[DJ McHamfist]

I would reconsider that point if 100% inheritance tax was imposed. At least then the elderly would be giving what they had back to the society that cared for them when their families went on the missing list.

When they were working and paying their taxes it was going to *their* parents. Now it's their turn to be supported. And no, them just dying isn't doing the world a favour you fucking cretin. If you did though, it probably would be. Inheritance tax is the most immoral tax there is.

The vast majority of Labour voters are young and immigrant. That was the case in the 90's when Labour got in, and it's still the case today. Middle and Retiree voters are the only ones propping up the conservative vote. Those in their 70's today who did vote Labour thought they were voting for a very different Labour than the one they ended up getting. They thought they were voting for a John Smith style of leadership and, more than anything, something different from the decades of Tory rule that had decimated the British Manufacturing industry. Plus, they were in their 40's, so they probably didn't even vote Labour. They voted Tory for decades. It was the morons in my own generation buying into Blair's Bullshit and got him in, people voting Blair weren't the same age as Blair

The problems in the world are many people's fault. The current elderly it is not. The young it also isn't. Both sides are victims of a fucked up system that has been engineered through the loopholes those in power left themselves. Nobody voted for this shit. Stop blaming old people for the issues that exist in the world, you cunt. They've worked their entire lives, supporting their kids, the least we can do is pay the taxes on the cost of keeping them fucking warm. And if those taxes are squandered, blame the people who control the expenditure, not the people who paid them all their lives.

p.s. Starmer is definitely a nonce. He's got that weird, partial cross-eyed, milk bottle bottom glasses look about him. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't spend his "quiet" time flicking through police evidence. If you catch my drift.

 

[BongoMongo]

The questions about starmer being a bufty boy for lord Alli are interesting. Alli has given significant gifts to various members of labour (but only new labour as he knows the hard left wants people like him unalived).

Not just things and money, but also loaning his home, parties (WTF? "Parties"? Grow fuck up) and allowing use of his contacts list.

Alli is also recognized as being one of those who set up some media channel, I forget which but it did the big breakfast, and other, presented by morons, aimed at morons dreck.

This type of shit is how politics works (and that's a problem in itself, how much money do these grubby little wankstains need ffs) but the fact the dude in charge is so nuts deep in it (as well as openly confessing his loyalties lie with the WEF not the UK) should have people worried.

Just because the mainstream press isn't talking about it, doesn't mean anything.

 

[FedPostalService]

Those in their 70's today who did vote Labour thought they were voting for a very different Labour than the one they ended up getting. They thought they were voting for a John Smith style of leadership and, more than anything, something different from the decades of Tory rule that had decimated the British Manufacturing industry.

I’m back visiting my family in my drab northern yet still extremely white town. There’s a weird feeling in the air.

I took them out for a meal on Saturday and coming back a guy was screaming at a taxi driver who cut him off that he shouldn’t even been in the country. It’s a rough town but I didn’t even see that in the 80s (although we where probably 99.999% white back then, so maybe there were no darkies to scream at lol.)

My mum, who is a be nice to people and they’ll be nice to you type liberal just laughed. A few years ago she’d have told the guy to watch his mouth.

My local back here is gloriously racist but in a fun way. You could use all of the gamer words at the top of your lungs and no one would bat an eye lid, unless someone had brought a black workmate in for a pint and everyone one behave themselves. My dad’s boomer mates are really angry with the government. They’re openly talking about how good Tommy Robinson is. These are full on Labour cattle who have voted red all their lives and I doubt they will again.

Something has really changed. I live in a nice comfy middle class bubble a couple of hundred miles from my home town, but I do go back every other month. I’m not completely sheltered from what the proles think but even I was shocked at how wildly and quickly people have changed.

There’s not a thing the government is doing right for people who have worked all their lives, but finally those people are starting to wake up.

It’s going to be a weird few years.