The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

[isalaide]

I know when I was looking around for one, the prices were all so alike, it's left me more convinced than ever that it's some kind of cabal running the show.

You're.... not wrong. Practices know each others' price lists, more or less, and practices do like to stay around the ballpark of what other local practices are charging. Mostly to prevent there being significant variance in wages paid to the non-partner dentists.

Our cosmetic practice is more expensive than a lot of other practices in our region, for two reasons.
1 - I have to pay a hefty premium in wages to get dentists who are cosmetic specialists as opposed to lads who fancy themselves as quite good at it.
2 - We have fancy separate premises. That allows us both to charge more and to run a money-printing operation in fillers and Botox and other gunk injections.

Also, people are convinced more expensive things are better quality. You can't meaningfully untangle that in the minds of your potential customer base, so you lean into it a little.

NHS England shouldn't allow dental deserts, and for once ScotGov played the ball correctly here and did not allow NHS dentistry to disappear up the swanee. The people it would most affect would be kids, who already have as a cohort appalling dental health compared to their parents' generation.

 

[BongoMongo]

As I keep pointing out, Labour got fewer votes than at the last election. The tories lost because of so many people switching to other parties in numbers sufficient to remove tory majorities. Labour's refusal to address this overall lack of support is going to tear the party to shreds before long.

I really hope that turns out to be true.

Political party infighting is always hilarious, but when the Left turns on each other, it's absolutely hilarious.

@isalaide: I knew it, hahaha. I get that things cost what they cost, but the costs are *high*. and obscenely so.

It's all very well Mr "I split from my wife, sired a bastard, and let Lord Ali pound my shit pipe" saying they're training more dentists, but what good does that do when nobody wants to work under the NHS framework.

If we've got money, as a country, to pay for free-at-point-of-use dental care for people who have fraudulently entered the country, then 1. our priorities are fucked and 2. We can afford to do the same for native born Brits.

 

[teriyakiburns]

but what good does that do when nobody wants to work under the NHS framework.

There are dentists that do, but they have a very particular mindset that is unfortunately not at all common. Mine, for instance, always does at least two days a week of NHS dentistry, because his mentor (my old dentist, who was incredibly jewish) instilled it into him from the first day of his practice that you have to pay back and care for people, rather than just suck all the money you can out of the system. The amount of time he gets to spend with NHS patients is the worst part of it; they allot the shortest possible appointment times to cram as many people through the system as possible, which leaves him doing the most basic work to get finished, rather than spending a little extra time to make sure things are extra secure. He pays out of his own pocket to use better filling materials than the NHS covers. He's a very rare man in a system that seems designed to actively punish people like him.

 

[BongoMongo]

There are dentists that do, but they have a very particular mindset that is unfortunately not at all common. Mine, for instance, always does at least two days a week of NHS dentistry, because his mentor (my old dentist, who was incredibly jewish) instilled it into him from the first day of his practice that you have to pay back and care for people, rather than just suck all the money you can out of the system. The amount of time he gets to spend with NHS patients is the worst part of it; they allot the shortest possible appointment times to cram as many people through the system as possible, which leaves him doing the most basic work to get finished, rather than spending a little extra time to make sure things are extra secure. He pays out of his own pocket to use better filling materials than the NHS covers. He's a very rare man in a system that seems designed to actively punish people like him.

Your Dentist sounds like an absolute treasure of a human being, and is exactly the kind of person we should be treating with the utmost respect and decency. How someone can do what he does, within an inherently backward system, designed to penalise those trying to practise patient-focussed care, is beyond me, and he sounds like a wonderful person.

The whole system is fundamentally broken. Meanwhile, instead of fixing that, we're giving train conducters, a £300 a week bonus to do a five day working week. It's an affront and a disgrace and the RMT needs to be put on a trebuchet and fired into an active volcano.

 

[FedPostalService]

Meanwhile, instead of fixing that, we're giving train conducters, a £300 a week bonus to do a five day working week.

RMT members in 5 years time: “Alexa, why has my job been fully automated and I’m having to blow guys in station toilets to pay my mortgage?”

 

[BongoMongo]

RMT members in 5 years time: “Alexa, why has my job been fully automated and I’m having to blow guys in station toilets to pay my mortgage?”

God I hope so, hahaha.

That said, you assume stations will even have toilets. At my local one, you can barely buy a ticket from another human being the majority of the time.

When they all lose their jobs due to automation, I will laugh long and hard at the lot of them.

 

[FedPostalService]

God I hope so, hahaha.

That said, you assume stations will even have toilets. At my local one, you can barely buy a ticket from another human being the majority of the time.

When they all lose their jobs due to automation, I will laugh long and hard at the lot of them.

Same. I’ve had enough delays caused by the lazy fuckers not turning up for their shift that I hope the next (Tory) government sacks the lot of them and sells their children into slavery. I fucking hate the cunts.

 

[BongoMongo]

Same. I’ve had enough delays caused by the lazy fuckers not turning up for their shift that I hope the next (Tory) government sacks the lot of them and sells their children into slavery. I fucking hate the cunts.

The Jarrow marchers would be fucking appalled, is about my take on it all.

And seriously, can nobody else see the irony of someone named after Keir Hardie accepting a knighthood, or is it just me?

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

Private dental care in the UK is appallingly expensive, and where the hell does the portion of our taxes alloted for NHS dentistry go, exactly?

My mam works in the dental labs that make stuff like false teeth, braces, mouth guards etc, and has stated to me back when NHS stuff started losing the ability to provide such things for free/cheaper was because the NHS was shafting the people who were making these things, not paying properly for work and so on (this got far worse during and after covid).
So the majority of dental technicians and the labs they work for decided to take on only private jobs, as there is no money to be made from NHS work. Her place still does some NHS stuff (and walk-ins), but the ones that still do mostly NHS are not of the best quality long term.

 

[ForTheHoard]

What are people's thoughts on that?

"Now that Anglo-Saxonism has been wiped out in Europe, can the US pull out of NATO and stop funding their defense?"

 

[QE65]

the NHS was shafting the people who were making these things, not paying properly for work

This is happening a lot at the moment. Mainly in technical roles. The workers aren't payed what they're worth and expected to fuel their motivation with empathy and 'what's best for the company'. There is only so much empathy a good natured individual is willing to set aside before moving on and handing in their notice. But HR and management teams the world over still haven't figured this out. Many companies are one person away from a knowledge collapse. An older technician who everyone relies on and there is no replacement for, who's one comment away from packing it all in and moving to Barbados.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Surely this is a matter of perspective? I've seen comment after comment like this following the riots and I have had a completely different experience. It seems very dependent on your individual circumstances. I have had encounter after encounter with people where the topic of the riots has been raised and then proceeded in a negative light.

So FedPoster is north, you're south east / west I'm guessing? I'm in London and all the white people here have really surprised me with their reactions. It's not support, more like 'I don't agree with it but I understand why it happened.' A lot of not being surprised. Which is still miles off the kind of reaction you might have expected, and from people who should 'know better' too. I don't think I've talked to anyone that's just clutched their pearls about it. Black and muslim, other immigrant people totally avoid the topic and shut down if it gets mentioned. It does feel like something has changed.

Can confirm this part, for NHS Scotland at least. A massive chunk of the budget is going on translators. I believe for Lothian alone it was about £250,000 for translators alone. Not to mention the appointments take longer so each dentist can see fewer patients each day.

What the fuck is going on with translators? Since Covid, but it seems to be getting worse, it's like every ESL person that I see at work has a translator even though enough of them don't really need it. Previously they would have just come in by themselves and we'd have worked it out. Unironically is there some kind of scheme going to employ fellow community members?

There was one woman, her interpreter was only booked for an hour and had to leave because they were booked somewhere else - just switched to talking to me in perfect english, didn't even have an accent and very well-spoken, and just smirked at the look of surprise on my face. That was a while ago and the worst case of the kind but I can't forget it. It made me privately question her whole need for support claim tbqh, which was apparently DV in an arranged (muslim) marriage. I don't want to doubt that about anyone but just the whole fucking way that she was.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The situation with NHS dental provision has been known to be appalling for a long time now, this was from back in 2017. From private dentist shopping myself, I know when I was looking around for one, the prices were all so alike, it's left me more convinced than ever that it's some kind of cabal running the show. Ultimately, what swayed me to mine was they're known for being extremely good with nervous patients, and their staff is majority white. I don't want to be treated by someone who has a signifiant language barrier with native spoken English.

@isalaide, where I live, there is not a single NHS dentist in a 50 mile radius taking on new adult patients. Not one. It's appalling.

I wanted to joke on British teeth but that's just horrifying. At least there are private dentists so you aren't fucked completely by the healthcare system. But in the end it's yet another invisible tax for the privilege of being a tax paying citizen.

There is the socialist concept of "for each according to his needs" and you see how it gets broken when "his needs" require a taxi and a translator, and the government decides who "needs" it.

The question is if the NHS can be privatised or would the UK government raze the economy beforehand.

 

[FedPostalService]

The question is if the NHS can be privatised or would the UK government raze the economy beforehand.

Just a reminder that Andy Burnham when Health Minister introduced a lot of privatisation to the NHS and not the Tories. So if anyone is going to privatise the NHS it will be Labour, because they can get away with it, and they’ll fuck it up.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Just a reminder that Andy Burnham when Health Minister introduced a lot of privatisation to the NHS and not the Tories. So if anyone is going to privatise the NHS it will be Labour, because they can get away with it, and they’ll fuck it up.

It seems to be the UK government modus operandi, when doing something it doesn't support, to do it as badly as they can conceivably can so that they could point at it afterwards and criticize the rubble on how they didn't think of the consequences.

Literal childish mindset. It doesn't matter to them that they'll also be affected, though of course way less than the non elites.

 

[BongoMongo]

I wanted to joke on British teeth but that's just horrifying. At least there are private dentists so you aren't fucked completely by the healthcare system. But in the end it's yet another invisible tax for the privilege of being a tax paying citizen.

There is the socialist concept of "for each according to his needs" and you see how it gets broken when "his needs" require a taxi and a translator, and the government decides who "needs" it.

The question is if the NHS can be privatised or would the UK government raze the economy beforehand.

Hey if it makes someone laugh then it's still a good thing right?

It doesn't affect me as such as I can afford private dental care. But there's many who can't and the net negative to the health service with the disease it causes is massive.

Re: the incompetence: it's a manifestation of weaponised ignorance only this arises, in this instance from sheer hatred of us all.

Labour, Tory, whatever the rosette: they absolutely loathe every single one of us and they wish beyond reason COVID had been an actual serious, killing people stone dead on the streets omg it's like poison gas horror rather than what it was.
I mean, why else do you think the care homes (and I say this as someone with a close relative who was working in one at the time and has had to change fields) were having patients who had a positive cold test, minor symptoms and being told "withdraw food and liquid and start them on IV Midazolam"?

They fucking loathe over 99% of the electorate. Even the useful idiots like the Muslims and the troons.

 

[FedPostalService]

Hey if it makes someone laugh then it's still a good thing right?

It doesn't affect me as such as I can afford private dental care. But there's many who can't and the net negative to the health service with the disease it causes is massive.

Re: the incompetence: it's a manifestation of weaponised ignorance only this arises, in this instance from sheer hatred of us all.

Labour, Tory, whatever the rosette: they absolutely loathe every single one of us and they wish beyond reason COVID had been an actual serious, killing people stone dead on the streets omg it's like poison gas horror rather than what it was.
I mean, why else do you think the care homes (and I say this as someone with a close relative who was working in one at the time and has had to change fields) were having patients who had a positive cold test, minor symptoms and being told "withdraw food and liquid and start them on IV Midazolam"?

They fucking loathe over 99% of the electorate. Even the useful idiots like the Muslims and the troons.

I’d like to correct you slightly. The Tories don’t care about us, but Labour fucking hate us. The Lib Dem’s want to have weird sex with us, the Greens want to have weird sex with our children.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

The Tories don’t care about us, but Labour fucking hate us.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confirms-johnson-said-let-bodies-pile-high-2021-05-26/

Sorry what party was he prime minister of again?

 

[FedPostalService]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confirms-johnson-said-let-bodies-pile-high-2021-05-26/

Sorry what party was he prime minister of again?

Based Boris is based.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Based Boris is based.

I don't even know how to respond to this. The tories wanted everyone to die, and that's great, Labour are the ones that really hate us, they want us to ... ?