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I'm once again trying to do some home gunsmithing like an idiot and I need a consultation before I do something potentially retarded.

A couple years ago I built an AR-15 with an Aero M4E1 receiver. The barrel nut is somewhat different from normal. Now when I put this barrel nut in, I put some aeroshell in on the threads, but I had no idea what I was doing used way too much.

Fast forward to now and I can't get the barrel nut off. Like, at all. I'm guessing (but not sure) that it's related to using too much aeroshell. So my current theory is, heat gun plus a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench for extra leverage.

Good idea or worst idea?
 
I'm once again trying to do some home gunsmithing like an idiot and I need a consultation before I do something potentially retarded.

A couple years ago I built an AR-15 with an Aero M4E1 receiver. The barrel nut is somewhat different from normal. Now when I put this barrel nut in, I put some aeroshell in on the threads, but I had no idea what I was doing used way too much.

Fast forward to now and I can't get the barrel nut off. Like, at all. I'm guessing (but not sure) that it's related to using too much aeroshell. So my current theory is, heat gun plus a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench for extra leverage.

Good idea or worst idea?
Too much aero shell shouldn’t matter. How much torque did you apply when you installed it? What sort of fixture are you using to hold the upper and barrel extension?
 
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Too much aero shell shouldn’t matter. How much torque did you apply when you installed it? What sort of fixture are you using to hold the upper and barrel extension?
I can't remember exactly whether it was 45 or 55 foot pounds (I've looked up the receiver and found different specs), but it was certainly no more than 55. For holding it, I have it mounted on one of these, which is clamped in a small bench vice.

 
That doesn’t inspire confidence. What brand is the barrel?
True Precision. I actually swapped to a DIFFERENT True Precision Barrel today to see if that worked, it just changed where the bias was on the alignment rod...
I also swapped the piston it still doesn't look great. About to go buy a Zev barrel and just be done with it.
 
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I can't remember exactly whether it was 45 or 55 foot pounds (I've looked up the receiver and found different specs), but it was certainly no more than 55. For holding it, I have it mounted on one of these, which is clamped in a small bench vice.

Get the proper tool.
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Yes, it is about $120. No there isn't a cheaper option. Welcome to the wonderful world of specialty tools (that work). Maybe a friend who has built a rifle properly has one handy that you could borrow....

What this will do is allow you to properly torque the barrel nut down without putting stress on the upper. The plastic blocks will twist, which will fuck up your torque values. This machine tool steel bar of course keeps everything in line so you can torque it down properly.
 
I can't remember exactly whether it was 45 or 55 foot pounds (I've looked up the receiver and found different specs), but it was certainly no more than 55. For holding it, I have it mounted on one of these, which is clamped in a small bench vice.

That might not hold it secure enough to prevent breaking the receiver. I would suggest a Midwest URR
True Precision. I actually swapped to a DIFFERENT True Precision Barrel today to see if that worked, it just changed where the bias was on the alignment rod...
I also swapped the piston it still doesn't look great. About to go buy a Zev barrel and just be done with it.
Have you tried clocking the piston in different positions?
 
Lol. More like saving properly and just being worried about the future but yeah.

Found out when I got the ammo that Winchester gets its 7.62x39mm from Serbia, that's where it says it's made on the box along with "PPU" on the inside. Either good or bad in terms of non magnetic, I've gotten non magnetic copper jackets from Serbia for my SKS, and the jacket looks copper at least, so it should be gtg.

Also I hate this box:
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It's filled my ammo can where if it was the typical square boxes I'd still have room. Sigh. Guess I just get another one lol. The SKS hungers for food.
PPU shouldn't be magnetic. They also make decent hunting ammo in 7.62x39.

Meanwhile I'm thinking of building out something set up for subsonic 7.62x39. Possibly based on the Howa 1500 Mini action in a lightweight chassis, haven't figured out the chassis part yet.
 
Meanwhile I'm thinking of building out something set up for subsonic 7.62x39. Possibly based on the Howa 1500 Mini action in a lightweight chassis, haven't figured out the chassis part yet.
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability with their telescoping stock.
 
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability.
I'm definitely considering the Elf Owl, just not sure how robust that TEL stock is. Perhaps a triangle stock as a nod to the AS Val would be better.
 
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability with their telescoping stock.
This makes me feel funny.
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I'm definitely considering the Elf Owl, just not sure how robust that TEL stock is. Perhaps a triangle stock as a nod to the AS Val would be better.
I've seen worse, and with the caliber choices in a mini-Howa it should be fine as far as not collapsing under firing pressure.
 
pistol seems to not be straight on with the camera, but that rod is deflecting too much. the barrel and suppressor should be mounted outside of the slide to ensure that that assembly is square for the interface between them. that is the important metric to determine, the barrel when in the slide is largely inconsequential during firing. the one exception to this is fixed suppressors like old school ones for the Beretta which are attached to the frame or slide rather than the barrel.
I'm once again trying to do some home gunsmithing like an idiot and I need a consultation before I do something potentially retarded.

A couple years ago I built an AR-15 with an Aero M4E1 receiver. The barrel nut is somewhat different from normal. Now when I put this barrel nut in, I put some aeroshell in on the threads, but I had no idea what I was doing used way too much.

Fast forward to now and I can't get the barrel nut off. Like, at all. I'm guessing (but not sure) that it's related to using too much aeroshell. So my current theory is, heat gun plus a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench for extra leverage.

Good idea or worst idea?
the BEV block should work for disassembly as long as you didn't mongo the barrel nut on there. too much aeroshell makes a mess, it generally doesn't sieze up unless the grease somehow became contaminated during application (one dumbass used loctite on a barrel nut i had to cut off years back, what a pain).

i use a specialized vise jaw set profiled specifically for the M16A2 (i have both an upper and lower set, including a set of Colt vise jaws set for a long tapered AR-15 barrel) from Bushmaster back in the day for most of my assembly work, however i've also used the BEV block, various clamshell style ones, that Sabre Defence two-piece stainless one that's a pain in the ass to assemble, and the Geissele and MWI rods over the years. i find that they are much more useful for AR-10's and weird barrel profiles and custom upper receivers that aren't a typical profile more so than a generically useful tool for every AR build or service work i do. the typical clamshell style one or the BEV block works for the home gamer doing their own AR work 9/10 of the time.

but to your specific problem: the spec for the barrel nut should be about 35-75 in-lbs. not ft-lbs.

edit: correction here, my memory was bad and i confused ft-lb and in-lb here. the right spec is 35-80 ft-lb for the standard AR-15 barrel nut, generally you tighten to 35 ft-lb (about hand tight) and then rotate for the gas tube. this was pointed out in further posts.

if you torqued to 55 ft-lbs, this is over 650+ in-lbs and it's possible you may have stretched the threads or cross threaded the aluminum receiver with the steel barrel nut (and these are fine thread too, so less forgiving of crazy torque values). be very very specific in remembering if you had an in-lb torque wrench, if you just mongo'd it on there with your arm and called it a day, or if you used a ft-lb torque wrench. a grown man can produce around 50 ft-lbs with one arm and an 8" spanner wrench, about half a again liquored up and two handing it.

if you did this, one option is to put some heat on the barrel nut (and aluminum flashing on anything you don't want to get hot) and heat the barrel nut and alternately tighten and loosen to work it a bit. this might take an hour or more. another option if you get no luck is to cut it off with a burr tool or dremel and cut off wheel and a steady hand. you don't need to cut all the way through, but enough to snap the nut with a crow's foot and breaker bar. the important bit here is your upper and barrel, not a $10 barrel nut.
 
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Here's something I've been curious about for a while now.


How did Colt decide to switch from a 5-round cylinder in the Colt Paterson revolver, to the 6-round cylinder that became standard on later Colt wheelguns and just about all of their competitors?
 
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