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Lol. More like saving properly and just being worried about the future but yeah.

Found out when I got the ammo that Winchester gets its 7.62x39mm from Serbia, that's where it says it's made on the box along with "PPU" on the inside. Either good or bad in terms of non magnetic, I've gotten non magnetic copper jackets from Serbia for my SKS, and the jacket looks copper at least, so it should be gtg.

Also I hate this box:
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It's filled my ammo can where if it was the typical square boxes I'd still have room. Sigh. Guess I just get another one lol. The SKS hungers for food.
PPU shouldn't be magnetic. They also make decent hunting ammo in 7.62x39.

Meanwhile I'm thinking of building out something set up for subsonic 7.62x39. Possibly based on the Howa 1500 Mini action in a lightweight chassis, haven't figured out the chassis part yet.
 
Meanwhile I'm thinking of building out something set up for subsonic 7.62x39. Possibly based on the Howa 1500 Mini action in a lightweight chassis, haven't figured out the chassis part yet.
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability with their telescoping stock.
 
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability.
I'm definitely considering the Elf Owl, just not sure how robust that TEL stock is. Perhaps a triangle stock as a nod to the AS Val would be better.
 
I know MDT has a couple of options for the Howa mini action, but if I were building one out, I'd be super interested in the JTac Elf Owl, just for the novelty/portability with their telescoping stock.
This makes me feel funny.
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I'm definitely considering the Elf Owl, just not sure how robust that TEL stock is. Perhaps a triangle stock as a nod to the AS Val would be better.
I've seen worse, and with the caliber choices in a mini-Howa it should be fine as far as not collapsing under firing pressure.
 
pistol seems to not be straight on with the camera, but that rod is deflecting too much. the barrel and suppressor should be mounted outside of the slide to ensure that that assembly is square for the interface between them. that is the important metric to determine, the barrel when in the slide is largely inconsequential during firing. the one exception to this is fixed suppressors like old school ones for the Beretta which are attached to the frame or slide rather than the barrel.
I'm once again trying to do some home gunsmithing like an idiot and I need a consultation before I do something potentially retarded.

A couple years ago I built an AR-15 with an Aero M4E1 receiver. The barrel nut is somewhat different from normal. Now when I put this barrel nut in, I put some aeroshell in on the threads, but I had no idea what I was doing used way too much.

Fast forward to now and I can't get the barrel nut off. Like, at all. I'm guessing (but not sure) that it's related to using too much aeroshell. So my current theory is, heat gun plus a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench for extra leverage.

Good idea or worst idea?
the BEV block should work for disassembly as long as you didn't mongo the barrel nut on there. too much aeroshell makes a mess, it generally doesn't sieze up unless the grease somehow became contaminated during application (one dumbass used loctite on a barrel nut i had to cut off years back, what a pain).

i use a specialized vise jaw set profiled specifically for the M16A2 (i have both an upper and lower set, including a set of Colt vise jaws set for a long tapered AR-15 barrel) from Bushmaster back in the day for most of my assembly work, however i've also used the BEV block, various clamshell style ones, that Sabre Defence two-piece stainless one that's a pain in the ass to assemble, and the Geissele and MWI rods over the years. i find that they are much more useful for AR-10's and weird barrel profiles and custom upper receivers that aren't a typical profile more so than a generically useful tool for every AR build or service work i do. the typical clamshell style one or the BEV block works for the home gamer doing their own AR work 9/10 of the time.

but to your specific problem: the spec for the barrel nut should be about 35-75 in-lbs. not ft-lbs.

edit: correction here, my memory was bad and i confused ft-lb and in-lb here. the right spec is 35-80 ft-lb for the standard AR-15 barrel nut, generally you tighten to 35 ft-lb (about hand tight) and then rotate for the gas tube. this was pointed out in further posts.

if you torqued to 55 ft-lbs, this is over 650+ in-lbs and it's possible you may have stretched the threads or cross threaded the aluminum receiver with the steel barrel nut (and these are fine thread too, so less forgiving of crazy torque values). be very very specific in remembering if you had an in-lb torque wrench, if you just mongo'd it on there with your arm and called it a day, or if you used a ft-lb torque wrench. a grown man can produce around 50 ft-lbs with one arm and an 8" spanner wrench, about half a again liquored up and two handing it.

if you did this, one option is to put some heat on the barrel nut (and aluminum flashing on anything you don't want to get hot) and heat the barrel nut and alternately tighten and loosen to work it a bit. this might take an hour or more. another option if you get no luck is to cut it off with a burr tool or dremel and cut off wheel and a steady hand. you don't need to cut all the way through, but enough to snap the nut with a crow's foot and breaker bar. the important bit here is your upper and barrel, not a $10 barrel nut.
 
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Here's something I've been curious about for a while now.


How did Colt decide to switch from a 5-round cylinder in the Colt Paterson revolver, to the 6-round cylinder that became standard on later Colt wheelguns and just about all of their competitors?
the larger frame the Walker had allowed a larger cylinder made on the same tooling with just a new index notch at 60 degrees of rotation when cutting a bore into the cylinder while keeping enough steel (in theory) between chambers for the .44 ball on top of ~60gr of powder. this proved a little too ambitious with the metallurgy available at the time and Colt walked it back to 50gr recommended after having enough of the Walker revolvers need repair from kabooms and chain fires (leading to lard and wax seals, et c). from what my big Colt Book of guns says, it was a step to secure further military contracts with the Navy and Army as well with a similar frame, but scaled down for .36 caliber. this retained the 6 shot cylinder and better metallurgy saw these also get slimmer too (Pocket Percussion, Dragoon, et c).

note that 7, 8, 9, and 10 shot revolvers were around at the time as well and the advantage was mediocre considering loading gates and fixed cylinders were annoying to reload and carrying spare cylinders wasn't practical in a fight; often extra guns were carried, but this had logistical and cost issues too, not to mention the upper limit of reasonable one-handed frame size before it became too awkward to holster and carry.

so a slightly bigger caliber (.38, .41, .44, .45, et c), and one more shot was a decent middle-ground i think.
 
but to your specific problem: the spec for the barrel nut should be about 35-75 in-lbs. not ft-lbs.
I’ve always seen 30 ft lbs be the minimum for an AR 15 barrel nut. Aeros spec is even higher: https://support.aeroprecisionusa.com/hc/en-us/articles/14130432684951-Torque-Specifications

I’ve installed many barrel nuts to 30 ft lbs or more and not had an issue removing them. The TDP is to tighten to 30 ft lbs and then tighten to index the gas tube without exceeding 80 ft lbs IIRC.
 
SGAmmo has "okay" pricing (~55cpr) on brass-cased 7.62x39 if you're looking to buy in bulk. Free shipping on orders over $200 helps take the edge off a bit
Cool. Maybe in the future when that's more financially viable.
"PPU" Is Prvi partizan, they're known for making good stuff, cheaper than WWB, so skip the middleman and buy it their boxes instead.

Neat.
Ah I see. Well that's good to know about PPU. Just ordered two more boxes lol.
PPU shouldn't be magnetic. They also make decent hunting ammo in 7.62x39.
Good to know about the magnetism, it's range friendly, noice.
Meanwhile I'm thinking of building out something set up for subsonic 7.62x39. Possibly based on the Howa 1500 Mini action in a lightweight chassis, haven't figured out the chassis part yet.
I've thought of getting a bolt action for subsonic 7.62x39mm, but I keep coming back to me already having a SKS, which is already decently equipped for hunting, though not quiet shooting.

Would like a AK sometime though. Detachable 30 round mags sound cool, and I get to share ammo with my SKS. Maybe even build a AR in 7.62x39mm like my brother in law has. I love this round man, even with the price hike:
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It's solid, dependable, absolutely fucks barriers, and the recoil is mild all things considered. The range is a bit shit compared to 5.56, but you get raw power in return.
 
I’ve installed many barrel nuts to 30 ft lbs or more and not had an issue removing them. The TDP is to tighten to 30 ft lbs and then tighten to index the gas tube without exceeding 80 ft lbs IIRC.
If you're right someone done goofed and the entire consumer-side of the industry is convinced it's supposed to be ft-lbs
actually i had to second guess this, since it's been a long time since i've wrenched a barrel nut and a lot of the free floats aren't torqued on and are clamped or use a jam nut. from my old Colt manual, it's 35 ft-lbs, then rotate to the next notch for the gas tube exactly as mentioned. goes to show going off memory isn't the best thing to use, and that's my fault. i've edited the post a bit to note the correction and keep the mistake there as well.

i did find out that the barrel nuts seemingly do vary a bit as MWI says 40ft lbs max, JPE has theirs at 20 ft lb, Geissele rails have an 8 ft lb spec, and PRI has another at 15 ft lbs - these seem to depend on the material and how thick or thin it is, probably to prevent them from being over tightened, crushed, or having the threads destroyed on aluminum or magnesium rail. interestingly i can't find any clamp values for a lot of the clamp-on free float rails.

still, if that barrel nut is coming off, you can try the suggestion to tighten/loosen after some heat or alternatively cut it off.
 
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but to your specific problem: the spec for the barrel nut should be about 35-75 in-lbs. not ft-lbs.
With the greatest of respect: Are you sure?

I looked up the torque specs for a standard AR-15 barrel nut. Here are a few random pages. All of them are measured in ft-lbs.


I found nothing that measured it in in-lbs. Now the M4E1 uses a non-standard barrel nut, so I looked that up specifically.


The specs tab says: Barrel Nut Torque - 55 ft-lbs

One other small piece of evidence of it being ft-lbs is that the proprietary wrench adapter they included has a 1/2" square drive. A quick look on Amazon and I can't find any in-lbs torque wrenches with a 1/2" square drive. They're all ft-lbs.

If you're right, then the manufacturer spec lied to me, and I can blame them.

if you torqued to 55 ft-lbs, this is over 650+ in-lbs and you may have stretched the threads or cross threaded the aluminum receiver with the steel barrel nut (and these are fine thread too, so less forgiving of crazy torque values). be very very specific in remembering if you had an in-lb torque wrench, if you just mongo'd it on there with your arm and called it a day, or if you used a ft-lb torque wrench. a grown man can produce around 50 ft-lbs with one arm and an 8" spanner wrench, about half a again liquored up and two handing it.
I still have the wrench, and it's ft-lbs. I also remember doing a specific calculation to account for the length of the wrench so it wasn't overtorqued because of that.

I can believe I overtorqued it a little, but I'm not a strong guy (even less back then) and I don't think I'm psychically capable of overtorquing it by a factor of 5. I don't remember it being THAT hard to get on, at least.

if you did this, one option is to put some heat on the barrel nut (and aluminum flashing on anything you don't want to get hot) and heat the barrel nut and alternately tighten and loosen to work it a bit. this might take an hour or more. another option if you get no luck is to cut it off with a burr tool or dremel and cut off wheel and a steady hand. you don't need to cut all the way through, but enough to snap the nut with a crow's foot and breaker bar. the important bit here is your upper and barrel, not a $10 barrel nut.
If all else fails I'll look at doing this. Thanks.

EDIT: Woops, took me so long to write this that you already responded. Durr.
 
actually i had to second guess this, since it's been a long time since i've wrenched a barrel nut and a lot of the free floats aren't torqued on and are clamped or use a jam nut. from my old Colt manual, it's 35 ft-lbs, then rotate to the next notch for the gas tube exactly as mentioned. goes to show going off memory isn't the best thing to use, and that's my fault. i've edited the post a bit to note the correction and keep the mistake there as well.

i did find out that the barrel nuts seemingly do vary a bit as MWI says 40ft lbs max, JPE has theirs at 20 ft lb, Geissele rails have an 8 ft lb spec, and PRI has another at 15 ft lbs - these seem to depend on the material and how thick or thin it is, probably to prevent them from being over tightened, crushed, or having the threads destroyed on aluminum or magnesium rail. interestingly i can't find any clamp values for a lot of the clamp-on free float rails.

still, if that barrel nut is coming off, you can try the suggestion to tighten/loosen after some heat or alternatively cut it off.
I seem to remember reading to lightly grease the threads, torque to 30 ft/lb and back off twice, then torque to ~35 plus whatever is needed for timing your barrel nut and have done that on all my builds (which have all been pretty easy to take the barrel nut off when needed). I do keep shims handy so I don't ever need to go too much over 35, though.
 
the larger frame the Walker had allowed a larger cylinder made on the same tooling with just a new index notch at 60 degrees of rotation when cutting a bore into the cylinder while keeping enough steel (in theory) between chambers for the .44 ball on top of ~60gr of powder. this proved a little too ambitious with the metallurgy available at the time and Colt walked it back to 50gr recommended after having enough of the Walker revolvers need repair from kabooms and chain fires (leading to lard and wax seals, et c). from what my big Colt Book of guns says, it was a step to secure further military contracts with the Navy and Army as well with a similar frame, but scaled down for .36 caliber. this retained the 6 shot cylinder and better metallurgy saw these also get slimmer too (Pocket Percussion, Dragoon, et c).

note that 7, 8, 9, and 10 shot revolvers were around at the time as well and the advantage was mediocre considering loading gates and fixed cylinders were annoying to reload and carrying spare cylinders wasn't practical in a fight; often extra guns were carried, but this had logistical and cost issues too, not to mention the upper limit of reasonable one-handed frame size before it became too awkward to holster and carry.

so a slightly bigger caliber (.38, .41, .44, .45, et c), and one more shot was a decent middle-ground i think.
Thanks for the info Clubby!
 
I shudder think what we'd be if we didn't have sandwich grandpa's advice to fall back on every time someone says, "Hey I found this gun in an underground cave surrounded by the corpses of 43 vampires and one angel, can anyone tell me -"
"Here's a link to a 6th century text describing which type of goat needs slaughtered to load it, and a Vatican archive scroll translating Sumerian to tell you how to oil it."
 
I shudder think what we'd be if we didn't have sandwich grandpa's advice to fall back on every time someone says, "Hey I found this gun in an underground cave surrounded by the corpses of 43 vampires and one angel, can anyone tell me -"
"Here's a link to a 6th century text describing which type of goat needs slaughtered to load it, and a Vatican archive scroll translating Sumerian to tell you how to oil it."
senility is only kept at bay with gunpowder and cordite.
 
Gentlemen, I have removed my nut. If you know what I mean.

I dripped some Breakfree into the threads and let it soak overnight. I carefully examined the Bev block, and while the point is taken about the flexibility possibly fucking up torque values, I think it's good enough for removal. It looks to me like the front of it slots into the starburst thingies (the technical term) on the barrel. Now I'm no gun scientist, but ol' pa told me when I was a young'n that barrel steel can't be bent by God 1 and God 2 put together. Since it looks like that's where the force is being exerted, I decided to give it a shot. I put a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench and VERY carefully cranked the nut (phrasing), giving it somewhat more force than before. And eventually, something moved.

Now I'm going to do what I went in there to do, clean it VERY thoroughly, and put it back together with a lot less aeroshell. Probably wait until I get that steel rod since I already ordered the damn thing...

Thanks homies.
 
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Gentlemen, I have removed my nut. If you know what I mean.

I dripped some Breakfree into the threads and let it soak overnight. I carefully examined the Bev block, and while the point is taken about the flexibility possibly fucking up torque values, I think it's good enough for removal. It looks to me like the front of it slots into the starburst thingies (the technical term) on the barrel. Now I'm no gun scientist, but ol' pa told me when I was a young'n that barrel steel can't be bent by God 1 and God 2 put together. Since it looks like that's where the force is being exerted, I decided to give it a shot. I put a foot long piece of steel pipe on my wrench and VERY carefully cranked the nut (phrasing), giving it somewhat more force than before. And eventually, something moved.

Now I'm going to do what I went in there to do, clean it VERY thoroughly, and put it back together with a lot less aeroshell. Probably wait until I get that steel rod since I already ordered the damn thing...

Thanks homies.
The problem with the bev block is you can break the receiver because the only thing keeping the receiver from spinning with the barrel nut is the index pin on the barrel extension.

You removed the barrel to clean it? Seems really unnecessary.
 
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