Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I'm still confused by the extreme effort they are putting in to the NK story. Even just accepting it as fact, what next? Going to ruin the nonexistent relations NK has with the west? Going to sanction them even harder than they were already sanctioned? Send a Ukrainian task force halfway across the world to invade? What's step two of this plan?
 
I'm still confused by the extreme effort they are putting in to the NK story. Even just accepting it as fact, what next? Going to ruin the nonexistent relations NK has with the west? Going to sanction them even harder than they were already sanctioned? Send a Ukrainian task force halfway across the world to invade? What's step two of this plan?
It's how the West slides into WW3; you know, the big lie repeated often enough. There's no shortage of midwits who'll repeat it.
 
Give me a break; stop swooning and get your affairs in order because WW3 is on the table in a very real way now.
Ma'am, it's been on the table since this war began. Where have you been?
I'm still confused by the extreme effort they are putting in to the NK story. Even just accepting it as fact, what next? Going to ruin the nonexistent relations NK has with the west? Going to sanction them even harder than they were already sanctioned? Send a Ukrainian task force halfway across the world to invade? What's step two of this plan?
For North Korea? Probably nothing. For Russia? Perhaps the White House uses this to justify finally arming Ukraine with those long range missiles they've been asking for. After the election of course. Another day, another red line being crossed.
 
I'm still confused by the extreme effort they are putting in to the NK story. Even just accepting it as fact, what next? Going to ruin the nonexistent relations NK has with the west? Going to sanction them even harder than they were already sanctioned? Send a Ukrainian task force halfway across the world to invade? What's step two of this plan?
The entire motivation is views. They haven't been able to farm much of anything from Ukraine since the Kursk flop, because they can't really acknowledge how its actually going. The Best Korean involvement is something they can play up to hell and back, lie as much as they want, and print it day in day out for as long as people are willing to read, and frankly a lotta folks want a news excuse to ignore the US election right now and focus on anything else.
 
Cameras are abundant on the battlefields these days. We already know what the insides of both Russians and Ukrainians look like. Hopefully we'll find out one way or the other soon enough.
Imma guess it's another big nothing.

There are many reasons why North Korean personnel might be in Russia, and accusing Russia of having North Korean dudes in it is like accusing the US of having NATO troops in the US. Yeah, so? Russia is allowed to have friends over.

Ussuriysk is a typical DayZ map in the Russian Far Far East. It is 7 time zones away from Keev.
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Anyone in Elektro? :suffering:
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20 mins away is Vozdvizhenka air base, which is also a DayZ map because it's Russia:
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But why go to Ukraine via Ussuriysk? And go the long way by sea? Makes no sense. Russia has lots of large transport planes. North Korean already airlines fly direct to Vladivostok. They also have rail links to Russia. These guys would need gear (if these guys exist) and if they're doing some kind of joint exercise, but taking a slow boat to eastern Russia, if your destination is Ukraine, is implausible.
Currently based at the airfield is the aviation commandant of Khurba airbase and the 322 Aircraft Repair Factory (322 ARZ).
North Korea operates Russian jets. They could be about to buy/trade for more modern jets, or just train some mechanics, who knows.

Or we could go down a Louise Mensch (remember her, lol) rabbit hole:
About 9 kilometres north of the base is a RTB, repair and technical base; language used exclusively for nuclear weapons maintenance, storage, and assembly. The unit is still active
But maybe more likely, if there are Norks in Ussuriysk, it's because the Russian Pacific Fleet is based in near Vladivostok and they're doing joint training or something equally boring.

WaPo tries to slip this one past you in an escalation of innuendo, as if the US government's claim supports Ukraine's claim, but they are two very different allegations:
On Wednesday, the U.S. government said it had evidence that at least 3,000 North Korean soldiers were being trained in Russia and called the troops “legitimate military targets” if they joined the war in Ukraine.
Ukraine’s military intelligence agency said Thursday that about 12,000 North Korean military personnel, including three generals, are being trained by Russia. The agency added that one group of soldiers is already in Kursk, where Ukraine launched an incursion in August. Ukraine has faced setbacks holding on to its gains in the region.
Possible reasons for a Nork-Russky teamup do not necessarily include Ukraine, because unlike THIS GUY, these things don't come in a vacuumoie_300555y5dT2S9l.png and there are other things going on in the region that have nothing to do with everybody's favorite Eastern European shithole exemplar of freedom and democracy:
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But if Red Dawn happens, kino.
 
The entire motivation is views. They haven't been able to farm much of anything from Ukraine since the Kursk flop, because they can't really acknowledge how its actually going. The Best Korean involvement is something they can play up to hell and back, lie as much as they want, and print it day in day out for as long as people are willing to read, and frankly a lotta folks want a news excuse to ignore the US election right now and focus on anything else.
Precisely. Also, clowns in Washington can go all in on this narrative and know full well that no one is ever going to audit what they say. In 5 months, there will be no discernible penalty for having shrieked "5 billion nork soldiers are pouring into Ukraine EVERY SECOND!1!!!" in the pages of the respectable media.
 
A lot of people have speculated that the troops are there for non-combat purposes: building roads/railroads, setting up factories, and other infrastructure stuff that takes manual labor. So that's a possibility.

I still think they're on-site and getting training as reserves. If Ukraine tries another one of those hail-mary "Invade Russian territory" attacks, they might see some action.
 
Despite popular media, it's been Russia's doctrine for a long time. When you have near infinite land to retreat into, why spend the men and equipment to desperately hold a few miles? You can reclaim land whenever convenient. You can't reclaim experienced soldiers and destroyed equipment.
Lose land, keep men: land can be retaken. Lose men, keep land: both men and land lost.
Mao came up with it first.
 
What I find particularly funny with the NAFO tier commentary of the Best Korean involvement is that it's 12,000 people, according to their calculations is 12 days of casualties. So even if it's true, it's an absolutely nothingburger.
Addition to it, a cherry on the top is Best Koreans stationed on opposite side of Russia. Thousands of kilometers away from the front. Same people who can't find Ukraine on the map
 
I'd really like a timelapse of where the lines were when the war started and where it is now of all of ukraine just to see how bad its gotten.
This guy's videos always make me go "man I wish I could see that map change in a lapse."
DeepstateUA offers a wayback feature, but it is only from after the failed peace agreements had Russia retreat back. Their earliest snapshot is April 3rd, 2022. DPA has snapshots going as far back as February 24th, 2022 (start of the war), but many snapshots from October to April are broken. Also not all the sources he relied on had survived things like Twitter purges.

Anyway:

"UKRAINE REVITALIZED KURSK OFFENSIVE!!! Russian attacks intensifies... | Ukraine War SITREP / Summary"
 
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Lose land, keep men: land can be retaken. Lose men, keep land: both men and land lost.
Mao came up with it first.
Its pretty impressive he invented German ww1 defensive policy then. He would have been in his early 20s. Defense in depth has been used in various forms throughout history. The scale just keeps changing with the speed and size of armies.
 
A bit more about the Stepan Bandera museum in London. There's a wiki page, but only in Ukrainian. Here's the translated version:

Museum of Liberation Struggle named after Stepan Bandera (London)​

Not available in English

The Museum of the Liberation Struggle named after Stepan Bandera is a museum in London , Great Britain , dedicated to the figure of Stepan Bandera (1909-1959), one of the most famous ideologists of the Ukrainian nationalist movement, the leader of the OUNR (1940-1959). The first museum in honor of Stepan Bandera in the world.

Museum of Liberation Struggle named after Stepan Bandera
Typemuseum
Country Great Britain
ArrangementLondon , Great Britain
Great Britain
Address200 Liverpool Road, London
Founded1962 ( 1979 )
Siteounuis.info/museum.html

History​

Since Stepan Bandera's personal belongings and documents related to the national liberation struggle of the 40s and 50s of the 20th century ended up in Great Britain, there was a need to preserve these monuments. The preparatory work for the creation of a museum dedicated to these pages of the history of Ukraine was conducted by the Ukrainian Publishing Union (which was the legal owner of the exhibits), the Union of Ukrainians in Great Britain and the Ukrainian Information Service (London). The museum opened on October 20, 1962 in the building of the Union of Ukrainians in Great Britain , Nottingham . The Chairman of the Control Council became V. Oleskiv (UIS), later the 4th Chairman of the OUN(r) leadership. Before that, on September 29, the Control Board of the museum created the Museum Board, which held its first meeting on the same day .

In 1978, it was moved to London, where it was reopened on October 6, 1979. The museum is located in the building of the Ukrainian Information Service.

Description of the exposition​

The museum stores the clothes in which Bandera died at the hands of KGB agent Bohdan Stashynskyi , earth from Bandera's grave in Munich , a posthumous mask and a sculptural portrait by M. Chereshniovskyi . The exposition also includes Stepan Bandera's personal belongings and books, as well as copies of uniforms of UPA soldiers and the compass of UPA Commander-in-Chief Roman Shukhevych . Among the documents are underground publications of various topics, in particular, distributed with the help of the Underground Mail of Ukraine , publications of the Ukrainian Press Service , various informational messages.

The anti-Nazi resistance of Ukrainians in the museum is represented by portraits of members of the OUN-prisoners of Auschwitz and drawings of scenes from this concentration camp (the author of the drawings is Petro Baley, an Auschwitz prisoner, the author of prose works, ideological works, the father of the composer Virk Baley ) .

Artifacts from later times include embroideries made by female political prisoners of Soviet camps in the 1970s..

Cooperation​

The Union of Ukrainians in Great Britain together with the Bandera Museum in London contributed to the opening of the first major exposition in the National Museum of the History of Ukraine on the occasion of the anniversaries related to Bandera's life. For her, the museum handed over some of Bandera's personal belongings, photographs and documents. The veterans of the liberation movement, Stephan Romaniv , then head of the OUNR and museum curator Vasyl Oleskiv also took part in the opening of the exhibition .

Volodymyr Muzychka, a member of the General Council of the Union of Ukrainians of Great Britain, donated copies of "Words of Stepan Bandera" (from the 1950s) and "Words of Dmytro Dontsov " (1964) to the archival fund of the Union of Ukrainians of Great Britain.

In 2009, the Ternopil Museum of Political Prisoners received a copy of Stepan Bandera's death mask along with copies of rare photos of OUN members . The initiator of the transportation of the mask was the Ternopil organization of the Youth Union of Ukraine.
The bit about anti-Nazi resistance is pretty unbelievable. Keeping the clothes he died in is pretty gory, but the "earth from his grave" is the sort of thing you expect from teenagers visiting Jim Morrison's grave. There's also a tour and an interview with the curator on You Tube.

Going back to the war, here's a nice summary of the relevant stuff Putin said at his BRICS press conference.
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And if you're wondering how short of ammo the Ukrainians are, here's a Russian MOD press release.
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Beware the small-size balloon (singular).
 
Its pretty impressive he invented German ww1 defensive policy then. He would have been in his early 20s. Defense in depth has been used in various forms throughout history. The scale just keeps changing with the speed and size of armies.
It's been 20+ years since I've read Art of War but I'm sure there's a quote there that Mao stole.
Mao was a fan of German Romantism-era literature btw.
 
North Korea operates Russian jets. They could be about to buy/trade for more modern jets, or just train some mechanics, who knows
It's rumored that N. Korea will be getting a few dozen new or new(ish) jets as payment for the assistance. Possibly older Su-27s, mothballed Mig-29s and maybe even some brand new Su-30/34/35s although a Su-34/35 delivery is unlikely. Another strong possibility would be Yak-130s to get their trainer fleet into the 21st century.

That and spare parts and similar for their existing Mig-29s and Su-25s.

The rest of the N. Korean Air force is extremely old and the Mig-23s, Mig-21s and J-7s need to be replaced ASAP.
 
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