Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

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I recall a few years ago there was a group of Lolicons and Proshippers who were going around on Twitter doxing anyone that pointed out their degeneracy, and went as far as posing as someone’s dead relative.

Unfortunately, it's going to take some time for me to dig up the handles of some of the accounts where they were carrying that out. They privated most of the accounts in question (due to being cowards who knows they're doing something wrong).

Please give me time to find a few of their handles. The doxing, I don't care about. The posing as dead relatives while cow tipping? That's some fucked up shit and there's no excuse for it.
 
What I suggest is a new vector of attack. New counters, and not only that, but new points. Most of them aren't smart. You can cause their fuses to blow. In effect force them to sperg when confronted with questions that they have no answer to. That will cripple their movement.
I think it's rightly a form of third positionism in argument. Or Foucaultean epistemology if you want to take that route. Argue from a completely different foundation or set of assumptions and it will do something for a while, until the meme meta catches up.

I wouldn't expect much because the issue is, at least to them, so isolated from any accusation that it its only vaguely damning to audience, at best. You're going to have to get off the wall with it and find a very specific approach. I'll try to think of something relevant.
 
What I suggest is a new vector of attack. New counters, and not only that, but new points. Most of them aren't smart. You can cause their fuses to blow. In effect force them to sperg when confronted with questions that they have no answer to. That will cripple their movement.
"it's just a drawing"
>"Why do you like drawings of little kids?"
>"Because they look cute"
mfw
 
I can't remember the name, there was an article here years ago about a loli game getting pulled from Steam (which was removing adult content at the time), and a number of people who complained about it were loli posters on MAL. If I find the article, I'll edit it here.
EDIT: Found it lol.

Anyhoo, I don't associate with them. As long as they don't touch real CP, I just make a mental note to avoid them. @Secret Asshole made an effortpost years ago explaining his position on loli vs. CP that was very informative and helped in distinguishing those who are just into the fantasy/artstyle from the real predators who will never be satisfied with drawings. Loli/shotacons should always be kept a leery eye on and not to be allowed unsupervised around children just in case as predators use pictures for grooming purposes to get closer to real children.
Yep. This is a very thoughtful response from @Secret Asshole. While loli/shota enjoyers are creepy fucks, I hesitate to lump them in wholesale with pedos generally because, as he mentioned, the two do not necessarily overlap despite many loli/shota illustrators also being pedos. Some could simply be into hentai as an artform or just like shocking/explicit content as a taboo. Same sort of mentality for those who like Extreme Metal featuring gory imagery in both lyrical themes and band aesthetics or those who like Splatter films.
 
Yep. This is a very thoughtful response from @Secret Asshole. While loli/shota enjoyers are creepy fucks, I hesitate to lump them in wholesale with pedos generally because, as he mentioned, the two do not necessarily overlap despite many loli/shota illustrators also being pedos. Some could simply be into hentai as an artform or just like shocking/explicit content as a taboo. Same sort of mentality for those who like Extreme Metal featuring gory imagery in both lyrical themes and band aesthetics or those who like Splatter films.
What I find strange is that your point is considered questionable or disagreeable at best when most folks were on board with @Kari Kamiya initially saying similar in that very post you quoted from. All three of you (you, Kari, @Secret Asshole) are right here, yet rehashing the point is now not the best move because it seems to be leading some people here to think you're downplaying the issue or trying to defend pedophilia in a roundabout way.

It's like I also seem to keep saying in here lately: These people should absolutely be kept an eye on, mocked, and particularly reviled especially when they get out of hand, but you're not actually fighting some kind of battle with them. If that's actually what you want, then get yourself involved with politics and help push for laws against these sorts of things. Just know that it kinda comes across as moral grandstanding of its own otherwise (and you guys also have a whole other thread showing several examples of how "lolicon crusaders" are actually massive degenerates themselves, so that's another point to keep in mind), and there could be unforeseen consequences in terms of artistic expression, or... really anything otherwise. Prohibition doesn't tend to go well and you can't fully stop people from doing things just because you outlaw it. If that was the case, you wouldn't be hearing of so many dudes getting picked up for actual CP like you do these days.
 
It's like I also seem to keep saying in here lately: These people should absolutely be kept an eye on, mocked, and particularly reviled especially when they get out of hand, but you're not actually fighting some kind of battle with them. If that's actually what you want, then get yourself involved with politics and help push for laws against these sorts of things. Just know that it kinda comes across as moral grandstanding of its own otherwise (and you guys also have a whole other thread showing several examples of how "lolicon crusaders" are actually massive degenerates themselves, so that's another point to keep in mind), and there could be unforeseen consequences in terms of artistic expression, or... really anything otherwise. Prohibition doesn't tend to go well and you can't fully stop people from doing things just because you outlaw it. If that was the case, you wouldn't be hearing of so many dudes getting picked up for actual CP like you do these days.
I mean I get that. At the same time it should be talked about. What is wrong with wanting pedophiles out of cartoons? And thinking of solutions? This discussion never really has been had as far as the internet is concerned. You call it moral grandstanding. I call it wanting the pedophiles to go the fuck away. My feelings reflect this really:
I just want anime to stay lolicon free for like ten minutes. I just want to watch my anime, and not get lumped in with the lolicons. For once. Every other fandom gets that right. Not if your a weeb. You get rolled in with the lolicons no matter what you do. I'm tired of it bro. Very tired.
 
I mean I get that. At the same time it should be talked about. What is wrong with wanting pedophiles out of cartoons? And thinking of solutions? This discussion never really has been had as far as the internet is concerned. You call it moral grandstanding. I call it wanting the pedophiles to go the fuck away. My feelings reflect this really:
I just want anime to stay lolicon free for like ten minutes. I just want to watch my anime, and not get lumped in with the lolicons. For once. Every other fandom gets that right. Not if your a weeb. You get rolled in with the lolicons no matter what you do. I'm tired of it bro. Very tired.
I certainly wish talented hentai artists would stop illustrating underage characters along with adult characters. Pick one or the other so I can filter out the pedos.
 
At the same time it should be talked about. What is wrong with wanting pedophiles out of cartoons?
Yes. I am not saying it shouldn't be talked about.

And thinking of solutions? This discussion never really has been had as far as the internet is concerned.
I'm fairly certain this discussion gets had a lot. You simply face an issue of overexposure to the opposite given your hobbyist spaces because... Well, let's face it. A lot of shitskins and SEAniggers have way more access to the internet than ever, and they're usually the ones pushing for this shit (along with a small handful of white allies. I wouldn't trust the narrative on shit either when it's also being backed by the likes of outspoken faggots like Dimitri Monroe, for instance).

You call it moral grandstanding.
No, I'm saying it comes across as moral grandstanding, particularly when you devise "tactics" and such for what realistically amounts to online arguments.

Every other fandom gets that right.
The Western animation industry would greatly beg to differ considering how many animators keep getting outed lately for being closeted pedophiles themselves, sneaking their fetishes into their creations.
 
Yes. I am not saying it shouldn't be talked about.
Good.
I'm fairly certain this discussion gets had a lot. You simply face an issue of overexposure to the opposite given your hobbyist spaces because... Well, let's face it. A lot of shitskins and SEAniggers have way more access to the internet than ever, and they're usually the ones pushing for this shit (along with a small handful of white allies. I wouldn't trust the narrative on shit either when it's also being backed by the likes of outspoken faggots like Dimitri Monroe, for instance).
In order for the discussion to truly have impact, it needs to be in the hobbist spaces. It's like saying "you can have free speech in the corner". No I want to talk with everyone else in the town square about what's clearly a problem. That hasn't happened in any meaningful degree virtually ever. You get labeled a Anti and brigaded by the collective.
No, I'm saying it comes across as moral grandstanding, particularly when you devise "tactics" and such for what realistically amounts to online arguments.
I consider pedophiles that have infested my hobby with no signs of stopping something that needs to be dealt with with a scalpel yes, because what's happening now isn't working. That's my position.
The Western animation industry would greatly beg to differ considering how many animators keep getting outed lately for being closeted pedophiles themselves, sneaking their fetishes into their creations.
I mean they are anime, just on the other side of the coin. The distinction isn't meaningful to me when it comes to degeneracy.
 
(and you guys also have a whole other thread showing several examples of how "lolicon crusaders" are actually massive degenerates themselves, so that's another point to keep in mind),

That's why alogging is bad, and why we are leery of anyone who alogs or trolls or does gay-ops for any reason whatsoever. We know it's because they themselves got something to hide, or are trying too hard to seem better than the low-hanging fruit they bash on.

No, in this case, just like all other cases, we should only do what it takes to document the ones who feverishly, autistically defend lolicon, and quietly support laws that will criminalize loli/shota and make it harder for children to get hooked on porn and go down that rabbit hole.
 
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That's why alogging is bad, and why we are leery of anyone who alogs for any reason whatsoever. We know it's because they themselves got something to hide, or are trying too hard to seem better than the low-hanging fruit they bash on.

No, in this case, just like all other cases, we should only do what it takes to document the ones who feverishly, autistically defend lolicon, and quietly support laws that will criminalize loli/shota and make it harder for children to get hooked on porn and go down that rabbit hole.
I will say I don't encourge A-logging. No. But on the internet, there are cases where the lolicons come to you. In that case you need to know how to deal with them. That is literally all im saying. Just read this thread. You can summon a lolicon swarm if all you say is "drawings of children getting fucked are weird." and then post it on twitter or something. Being frank im sick of seeing the Lolicon dogpile work when the guy saying "this is wrong" on his normie twitter account to basically no one gets targeted and put on blast by the entire Lolicon Defense Force.
 
In order for the discussion to truly have impact, it needs to be in the hobbist spaces. It's like saying "you can have free speech in the corner". No I want to talk with everyone else in the town square about what's clearly a problem. That hasn't happened in any meaningful degree virtually ever. You get labeled a Anti and brigaded by the collective.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be? I'm saying that your hobbyist spaces are currently flooded by the types of people I just mentioned, and it's why you would be inclined to think any dissent is being drowned out. Don't forget this is also (and almost always) applicable within those same spaces as well.
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I consider pedophiles that have infested my hobby with no signs of stopping something that needs to be dealt with with a scalpel yes, because what's happening now isn't working. That's my position.
A scalpel is a precision instrument. The methodology you and some others propose is more like a hammer, and it's a hammer being directed at a rubber surface.

As long as we're talking in metaphors here, if some of you really think you have the scalpel to excise these tumors, go right ahead and try it. Don't be surprised, however, if your opposition either remains unaffected or continues doubling down, and be wary about celebrating smaller victories like they're larger than they really are – that's how complacency settles in. I would happily eat crow if you could actually show meaningful results from... Whatever effective "counterargument" you can come up with against these people.

I mean they are anime, just on the other side of the coin. The distinction isn't meaningful to me when it comes to degeneracy.
Okay? But most other people consider Western animation of distinct difference from Japanese anime. It's why you have a lot of people who will demean and devalue anime but celebrate a cartoon (so long as it's presented traditionally as a Western cartoon).
 
I'm not saying it shouldn't be? I'm saying that your hobbyist spaces are currently flooded by the types of people I just mentioned, and it's why you would be inclined to think any dissent is being drowned out. Don't forget this is also (and almost always) applicable within those same spaces as well.
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I mean look are SOME of them just pretending to be retarded? Sure. But this is also 2024 where like a bazillion pedophiles got busted. I think the retards are in the minority anymore. Now how many actual pedophiles are there compared to normal fans? You'd need a actual poll for that, idk. It's a lot.
A scalpel is a precision instrument. The methodology you and some others propose is more like a hammer, and it's a hammer being directed at a rubber surface.

As long as we're talking in metaphors here, if some of you really think you have the scalpel to excise these tumors, go right ahead and try it. Don't be surprised, however, if your opposition either remains unaffected or continues doubling down, and be wary about celebrating smaller victories like they're larger than they really are – that's how complacency settles in. I would happily eat crow if you could actually show meaningful results from... Whatever effective "counterargument" you can come up with against these people.
I mean you'll never shine if you don't glow. The stalemate has gone on for decades. Putting different new arguments out onto the internet for people to pick up and use could do something. Or not. I see it like rolling dice. Could be a crit or a fail, or maybe in the middle.
Okay? But most other people consider Western animation of distinct difference from Japanese anime. It's why you have a lot of people who will demean and devalue anime but celebrate a cartoon (so long as it's presented traditionally as a Western cartoon).
What im saying is the creators are not that fundamentally different and are equally degenerate behind closed doors. Anime is just open with it. I bet Walt Disney jerked it to Minnie Mouse at least once.
 
Look at the lolicon defense force swarm this dude for the simple statement "I don't like lolis". He didn't say ban it, or that he hates it, he just said he doesn't like it. This is a actual fucking problem. Look at all of them. Its wretched.
I'm telling you now, BA girl avatars are more than likely shitskins and SEAniggers. We've been over how the BA fan following is infested with their kind.
 
Yep. This is a very thoughtful response from @Secret Asshole. While loli/shota enjoyers are creepy fucks, I hesitate to lump them in wholesale with pedos generally because, as he mentioned, the two do not necessarily overlap despite many loli/shota illustrators also being pedos. Some could simply be into hentai as an artform or just like shocking/explicit content as a taboo. Same sort of mentality for those who like Extreme Metal featuring gory imagery in both lyrical themes and band aesthetics or those who like Splatter films.
I think that's a little off the mark, if only because there are deeper implications and no one is reading that shit for the shock value; they're reading it to nut. It's not pedophilia, but damn it's close. But, I'm going to play double's advocate and see if the alternative is any better.

I can't remember where I mentioned part of this, the closest equivalent would be furry art, in that there is often a degree of identification or self-insertion into the character as much as viewing it as an object, and treating it as a hobby or interest more than a lifestyle or innate trait. Shotacon especially. I think the latter is a bit bullshit, but let's see where it goes. Now, as I already mentioned early sexualization above and we're in the realm of 2D paraphilia, let's say that it's a fixation on an idea or fantasy from and about adolescence and not an attraction to children. So, on the most positive side, someone is still nutting to their earliest concrete, high resolution sexual fantasy. It's still not looking good.

I think that is the problem, because it perpetuates everything from sexualizing (already sexualized, but that is genuinely arguable) loli in a more normative anime context and breeding more lolicons, to normalizing that fixation on adolescence, as anyone who has had to explain to adult weebs that it's a show for 12 year olds can attest. The weirdly benign shit IS the fetish as much as the porn. It's akin to AGP or nostalgia junkies on reddit, at best, as far as I'm concerned and I'm not quite speaking my mind here in order to be cogent.

Someone please feel free to disagree or add to it, I feel like I'm missing something that would push it over the edge in an autistically cold debate.
 
I'm telling you now, BA girl avatars are more than likely shitskins and SEAniggers. We've been over how the BA fan following is infested with their kind.
Well they need to get civilized. Its not a excuse. Fucking kids isn't culture, its a crime. What i'm more concerned over is the replies. There's dozens of them. Just hammering a dude for the most basic of statements. It's a real problem and not acceptable. All he said was he didn't like lolis. Thats it. That apparently deserved a massive reply chain dogpile.
 
Well they need to get civilized. Its not a excuse. Fucking kids isn't culture, its a crime. What i'm more concerned over is the replies. There's dozens of them. Just hammering a dude for the most basic of statements. It's a real problem and not acceptable. All he said was he didn't like lolis. Thats it. That apparently deserved a massive reply chain dogpile.
Shitskins and SEAmonkeys can barely read, they get mad like the SPED kid in the gen ed class trying to See Spot Run. It's also no secret how sexualized they all are; I'd actually say that outside of a few strains of puritanism and a few global isolates, it would be hard to find a country that wouldn't find a way to defend loli before say, 1950
 
What i'm more concerned over is the replies. There's dozens of them. Just hammering a dude for the most basic of statements.
Yeah, they're basically bugmen. It's just another case of their "zerg rush" spamming in action.

They can't be reasoned with or shouted down. You've just got to report them for harassment.

These are the same idiots who have been throwing loud shitfits over the fact that Blue Archive recently updated and the app store title got changed to something generic sounding, as you can see in the replies to this official tweet. Keep in mind the game is still functionally the same (if not improved due to QoL added in the update), but they're treating this little app store name change as if it's every bit as terrible, reductive, and game-killing as the "censorship" and TL flubs that keeps happening in North America/Global.

These people should not be taken so seriously. They are absolute jokes and should be clowned on.
 
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