Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 169 9.4%
  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 389 21.7%
  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 376 21.0%
  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 855 47.8%

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    1,790
My god, vidya game journos are the most pathetic niggers on earth.

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You know, when you put so much focus on the party members' willingness -- nay, eagerness -- to fuck anyone and anything, definitely including each other; and you insist on dumbing down the writing to such a point that it feels suited for adolescents at best, you're not going to beat the groomer suspicions.
 
Chris Avellone got right in New Vegas but only because the earlier games hasn't any romance shit (more than the shotgun marriage & fucking mob women).
Is there something like that in KoTOR 2?
 
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Chris Avellone got right in New Vegas but only because the earlier games hasn't any romance shit (more than the shotgun marriage & fucking mob women).
Is there something like that in KoTOR 2?
ironically enough, Chris' main contribution to the original campaign of New Vegas was Cass and originally there was going to be a quest wherein you'd get drunk with her and wake up married.
 
ironically enough, Chris' main contribution to the original campaign of New Vegas was Cass and originally there was going to be a quest wherein you'd get drunk with her and wake up married.
Sounds more a direct FO2 reference and probably a satire of game romance rather than actual game romance.
 
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Chris Avellone is in favor of romances
Looking up the quotes, it was actually Josh Sawyer who said he hated how romances are inserted into the games, not Avellone. My point still stands.
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soyer is beyond pozzed at this point

he's groveled over the 'poor representation' in Honest Hearts before and was director of the trashfire known as Pillars of Eternity II, which featured playersexual romances including a big blue gay fish guy

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also, this was Sawyer back when he posted on SomethingAwful
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Looking up the quotes, it was actually Josh Sawyer who said he hated how romances are inserted into the games, not Avellone. My point still stands.
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Sawyer is fine when it comes to designing games but it terrible when it comes to anything else. Have you played the Pillar games because they have writing bad enough to ruin the rest of the game. Although I kind of agree with the take romances can harm these types of games I wouldn't listen to anything he has to say about how to write a story. A game with the older bioware writers deigned by him would probably be pretty good though.
director of the trashfire known as Pillars of Eternity II, which featured playersexual romances including a big blue gay fish guy
Deadfire is no Dragon Age Origins but its pretty good if you skip all the story elements and just create your own party. I sacrificed the homofish to some random god for that weird doll thing.
 
Deadfire is no Dragon Age Origins but its pretty good if you skip all the story elements and just create your own party. I sacrificed the homofish to some random god for that weird doll thing.
Yeah, the mechanics and itemization are great, the game also looks terrific... but the writing is pretty weak. Unfortunately, I'm a huge storyfag, so the bad writing hurts the game more for me than it probably does for most.
 
Is there something like that in KoTOR 2?
There is a scene where if you've developed enough of a relationship with Visas, she and the Exile meditate together, seeing each other through the Force. It's as close to a romance you can get without actually saying it. And I think that is the strength of Chris's writing.

I'm also a sap for wanting romance. Mainly because Bioware kind of standardized it's relationships where as Owlcat for instance made each one unique. In WOTR for example, Arueshalae is tied with her nature, Camellia very much wants to stab you and Galfrey is a queen doesn't go beyond her position.
Bioware in all their games didn't go beyond just forming a relationship and doing a companion quest to help them. That's continued even into Veilguard.
 
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There is a scene where if you've developed enough of a relationship with Visas, she and the Exile meditate together, seeing each other through the Force. It's as close to a romance you can get without actually saying it. And I think that is the strength of Chris's writing.

Unfortunately, there's also the bizarre situation where if your relationship meter with Visas gets too far ahead of your score with the Handmaiden, the latter will pitch a jealous fit and stop talking to you. This was less of a writing choice than an artifact of the confrontations on Malachor between rival companions (Visas vs. Handmaiden and Atton vs. Disciple) that were scrapped along with so much of the rest of the endgame.
 
NNNNOOOOO
It's just like in real life, troonies can't shut up about being troonies

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This game is like the herald of this shit.
Way back in the day before gamergate we had Jennifer Hepler and the coomerification of the series, now we have this.
Ah Hamburger Hepler 😛
Darkspawn lore is one of the most interesting aspects of the DA series to me. It might be a controversial opinion, but I really liked "The Descent" DLC (DA:I) because of the lore exposition throughout it. I don't think we'll see a good lore expo during Veilguard, though.
Yep, Bioware did say a reason for their own setting was to be able to destroy it.... Looks like they did
Same... Will always go back to my boo Anders. I loved the first few games SO much. I think the franchise went downhill already with Awakening. But this will be the first DA I don't buy. I won't even pirate it. I will pretend it never happened. But it's such a crying fucking shame.
Same here, Origins was so good
Was kind of hoping the Lucianis guy would provide equal opportunity fanservice, since you know at least one of the female characters is gonna have a scene as explicit as Cora in Andromeda. (Apparently her romance scene is the most extreme in all of Bioware history like bordering on bg3 explicit)

Canceled my preorder. I'll wait til it goes down in price then I'll get extremely high and play it. Apparently the companions lack any real kind of moral conflicts. Andromeda had that issue as well but I'm one of the few people who thought Andromeda wasn't as bad as people said it was....granted I had played it years after it released.

I hope Morrigan doesn't bite it. It would be fun to see like...Rhys and Evangeline. Apparently the troon from the comics is in. The blonde one. I forget the name its Maeve or something 🤮
Oh NOOOOOO

I also enjoy Andromeda even though I could see it was heavily rushed and was missing content (Quarian Ark plz)


As for a coop RPG/cRPF setting, Gurps has so many to choose from.

Fantasy would be Banestorm
Nah my man, Star Wars began to die when they axed the Expanded Univrse. That's when they lost the hardcore fans, with the DEI push they started losing the normies.
I understand why they needed to delete the EU if they wanted any stories post Endor but a LOT of pre Episode 1 EU stuff was excellent.
 
He was right, apologize
I won't because he wasn't. Romance has been part of adventure stories for decades. Guy gets the girl in the end, simple. It's just slightly more interactive in games because it's an interactive media. Somehow we did it just fine for ages without slipping down the degeneracy slope.
Games absolutely don't need them but the idea that it has no place here is just autism.
In the case of RPGs like Dragon Age it also adds some replayability because it's a persistent change in a playthough while most choices just become irrelevant after you make them.
Of course, some are badly written but that's a writing problem.
 
Is this pre or post trooning out photo?

You know what, what bothers me is this "return to form" marketing tagline they have been shilling in every outlet. I think it really shows 2 things:
1) whoever is still working at that company has never played the OG games. If they have, they would know not to say something so untrue
2) the journos also have never played them, because otherwise they would suggest a different phrasing to shill these games

Also they are not even considering the OG players the target audience, but that is not a new realization considering the "modern audiences" verbiage of the past few years.
 
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My god, vidya game journos are the most pathetic niggers on earth.

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How does that even work? All of your companions are super woke and down to clown when it comes to gender and sex stuff, but we still want to have our after school special presentation about coming out to your parents?

That makes no sense and just really reinforces what SkillUp was saying in the review about companions being bland mushes whose only written trait is to be "likeable."
 
Also they are not even considering the OG players the target audience,
Are they ever? Companies are always trying to attract the wider audience because in their hubris they think they've already won over their former fans and expect far more new fans.
Often this does work, see for example Oblivion and especially Skyrim.
 
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Are they ever? Companies are always trying to attract the wider audience because in their hubris they think they've already won over their former fans and expect far more new fans.
Often this does work, see for example Oblivion and especially Skyrim.
Yeah but retaining existing users is usually cheaper (and more reliable) than roping in new ones, and finding new audiences normally comes with large investements where you try to find a product-market fit. This is in product dev, and I know video games as an industry does not really invest into market research and user research in the same way (they merely invest into QA and bughunting once products are close to launch) but I think with more and more "for new audiences" games failing this will eventually change.

Just a shame our favorite franchises have to suffer first.
 
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