Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Mola Ram]

Not mentioned at all, the whole old gods are evanuris’ horcrux thing makes literally zero sense when you consider Origins at all. The game basically forgot about it. Or treated the world state with no dark ritual/old god baby as the norm.

I was prepared to be let down and I was not disappointed.

 

[IcedBacon]

Who were the other archdemons attached to? And is anything said about Urthemiel and his attendant god?

They retconned the Archdemons to JUST being dragon thralls of the Evanuris. According to Solas the old gods never existed.

It's clear that originally the Evanuris were supposed to be the Archdemons. There were 7 old gods, and 9 Evanuris. Mythal was murdered, and Fen'harel wasn't imprisoned. That makes 7 old gods, 7 Evanuris. They were also supposedly able to shapeshift into dragons, much like Flemeth. The original narrative got changed or modified at some point.

 

[Ishtar]

Yeah, this pretty much invalidates anything to do with Kieran or the old god soul going forward. I mean I guess you can handwave it with the soul being a fragment of the evanuris or something.

Weekes said something to the effect of “Kieran was Dave’s idea”-that is it was David Gaider’s lore and with the implication he didn’t like it or want to have to bother with it.

 

[Mola Ram]

Yeah, this pretty much invalidates anything to do with Kieran or the old god soul going forward. I mean I guess you can handwave it with the soul being a fragment of the evanuris or something.

Weekes said something to the effect of “Kieran was Dave’s idea”-that is it was David Gaider’s lore and with the implication he didn’t like it or want to have to bother with it.

By dint of being the single most consequential choice in Origins, and through going unresolved for 15 years, it became the series' most compelling unanswered question.

And Trick didn't see its value.

Weekes is a fucking incompetent writer. I may have to read some of his stuff to see just how bad he can get.

 

[Ishtar]

I mean to be fair, Inquisition basically got rid of the problem-Urthemiel’s soul was absorbed into Flemeth/Mythal. So Kieran was a normal boy after that anyway. The question as to what the old gods were remained though.

I suspect it was probably tied to something Gaider had planned Weekes and co. Weren’t in line with or something misogyny maybe? IDK?

The game basically assumes a default world state.

Solavellan romance*
Inquisition disbanded
No dark ritual
(Probably Hawke died in the Fade).

It doesn’t come out and say this, but the game’s choices make a lot of sense when you see they are basically sticking to the railing of whatever declared canon they have.

*This bit gets me even more. Solavellan fan girls get their own ending. No other reference is even made to any romance options beyond the character creator. There may be a vague reference to “the inquisitor has someone at home” maybe? But the game’s writers make the Solavellan ending the literal golden ending of the game.

They flat out lied to the fans when they said they weren’t invalidating world states. They absolutely did.

 

[IcedBacon]

Patrick Weekes is one of the OG trainrot at Bioware, he jumped on the bandwagon when liberals swapped from real liberalism to intersectional faggotry. He was one of the ones to open the gates to trainist philosophy, and trains can't write worth shit.

Bioware always had liberal faggotry tbf

He wrote Mordin, Solas, Tali, Tuchanka arc, Rannoch, Trespasser. He was decent at one point, but that was before whatever is skin walking in his flesh now.

Yeah, this pretty much invalidates anything to do with Kieran or the old god soul going forward. I mean I guess you can handwave it with the soul being a fragment of the evanuris or something.

Old god baby stuff was dropped in Inquisition yeaa.. Apparently it was a bigger part of the original narrative, but it probably involved Kieran's death so it was reworked, and dropped.

 

[Mola Ram]

He was decent at one point, but that was before whatever is skin walking in his flesh now.

This is why I don't really buy the idea he made a devil's bargain to stay at BioWare and that the "non-binary" silliness really is a manifestation of some fetish or dysfunction. It reminds me of how after Paul Jaquays transitioned and shacked up with fellow elderly gay man in a dress Rebecca Heineman, all his skill and passion for RPGs was dumped in favor of anti-right wing shrieking and going on and on about his new life as a Real Gurl despite having forearms that Jake LaMotta would have envied.

 

[DavidS877]

So, the game actually forces you to talk to Taash, it's like they knew you wouldn't talk to it unless you had to. There was a main quest requiring you talk to Lucanis in his room in the back. But the only way to get there was a forced conversation with Taash first.

Fucking trannies.

 

[Ishtar]

Yeah Inquisition leaves the mystery but wraps up the plot. Kieran is literally normal after the Mythal Morrigan Kieran domestic dispute scene.

It’s just kinda understated in the game itself-but the writers were already moving in the direction of disposing of a plot thread they clearly didn’t like and which complicated things.

So, the game actually forces you to talk to Taash, it's like they knew you wouldn't talk to it unless you had to. There was a main quest requiring you talk to Lucanis in his room in the back. But the only way to get there was a forced conversation with Taash first.

Fucking trannies.

I wonder if they’ll implement something in the future where you can’t fast forward through these conversations. But I’m not surprised.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

I just have trouble taking Weekes seriously when he (they?) now goes by Trick Weekes. Does he think that's clever or cool or what? Yeah, my name's Trick. Yeah, the thing whores do for money.

 

[IcedBacon]

It's like looking at an old co-worker who's now addicted to crack; you knew him before, and maybe he had issues, but it wasn't anywhere near this bad.

Certain ideologies seem to corrupt people in weird ways.

 

[Brap God]

I don't wanna give any credit to Weekes given he's such a massive faggot, but I can totally understand wanting to axe the old baby god plotline. It's such a massive shift in world state compared to trading one of the Warden's lives for Urthemiel's, any ambient resolution that's not central to the plot would feel like ass. If Gaider really wanted to make Kieran relevant from the get go Origins had to always end with the baby ritual. But then that would've been tacky when freedom of choice is the selling point. That's why the default world state has the martyrdom choice. Most of the choices in past games could only lead to potential fanservice, not real impact. The whole keep thing was a Peter Molyneux-tier overselling of choices and consequences. It just took three games for them to no longer be able to keep up that facade.

 

[Mola Ram]

I don't wanna give any credit to Weekes given he's such a massive faggot, but I can totally understand wanting to axe the old baby god plotline. It's such a massive shift in world state compared to trading one of the Warden's lives for Urthemiel's, any ambient resolution that's not central to the plot would feel like ass. If Gaider really wanted to make Kieran relevant from the get go Origins had to always end with the baby ritual. But then that would've been tacky when freedom of choice is the selling point. That's why the default world state has the martyrdom choice. Most of the choices in past games could only lead to potential fanservice, not real impact. The whole keep thing was a Peter Molyneux-tier overselling of choices and consequences. It just took three games for them to no longer be able to keep up that facade.

So it's the Rachni Queen all over again.

 

[Ishtar]

I do think that’s a fair point, and the old god baby stuff was always going to get shafted(or at least you’d have needed Gaider alone in charge to make it not so).

But everything else? It boils down to just removing any remaining mystery, resetting the setting completely,(apparently Taash’ companion quest sets up going to another continent or something?)

More and more I get the feeling they wanted to just be done with it all. Any future DA games will basically be an entirely separate franchise. Now they can do whatever they want with all that lore baggage out of the way.

So it's the Rachni Queen all over again.

I wouldn’t say that. It’s more like the council choice. The Rachni are specifically one of ME’s “long term” moral decisions whose consequences are well outside the scope of the story. The council however is a big end decision(similar to the dark ritual). And it’s either ignored or clumsily railroaded to maintain a single plot.

 

[IcedBacon]

I think with the Origins telemetry data they saw like:

70% human
28% elf
2% dwarf

They hated making content people weren't going to see. That's one of the main reasons DA2 was restricted to human. DA2 was the original "reboot", and the overarching narrative was going to continue with Hawke.

I think it just comes down to laziness, and Bioware not wanting to spend resources on unique content 90% will never see.

 

[Brap God]

I think with the Origins telemetry data they saw like:

70% human
28% elf
2% dwarf

 

[Miller]

here is proof you can only play troonguard their way..

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Troonguard is the Spec Ops The Line of Dragon Age.

Everything looks worse than Dragon Age inquisition and Battlefield 1/V. Modern Frostbite engine games look cartoony compared to older Frostbite games. The only graphically impressive effects in Dragon Age Pronouns that look good are the weather and water effects. Everything else looks like iPhone game graphics.

That's not the engine's fault, it's the people who chose the art direction.

Should that serial stalker Dave Rivera get his own Kiwi Farms thread? He just stalks EVERYWHERE whenever there's criticism from YouTubers, like he jacks off to wokeness.
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He doesn't have one?

 

[Shokaract#2]

Looking at the highest ownership estimate on Steam DB, it's close to five hundred thousand. If we assume similar sales on Playstation and Xbox consoles, that's like 1.5 mil. I doubt that's enough sales to recoup development costs.

While i don't see bioware being shutdown, I do expect we start seeing a decent amount of layoffs.

 

[Miller]

...
Whe i don't see bioware being shutdown, I do expect we start seeing a decent amount of layoffs.

I think Bioware will continue to exist because it is EA's most LGBT-friendly studio.

 

[Brap God]

Bioware as a brand name will exist, one can only hope the tumor-ridden guts get scooped out but what they'd be replaced it is still a gamble.