Megathread Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome - jsingal69 vs TroonWorld

[Sayer of the N-Word]

A lot of bitching but very few repost of paywalled episodes

You know that they offer free subscriptions to broke ass niggers like you, right?

 

[Criticallacitirc]

After reading the Supreme Court documents, Jesse reflects that he wasn't as hard on activists as he should have been.

KJK uses it as an opportunity to attack him.

KJK is increasingly retarded and obviously just using the movement for her own ego.

I don't think they gender critical movement would be where it's at without Jesse. His article were the first, and allowed people to start questioning youth gender medicine without coming off like a right wing ideologue.



More TERFs show up to brow beat Jesse for not "amplifying feminists voices" . Whatever that means.

Whenever a man dares to wade into the murky waters of gender-critical discourse, a swarm of women quickly materializes, ready to chastise him for supposedly appropriating their struggle. TERFs can't let go of identity politics. They're just upset than trannies pushed them down a rung on the oppression stack.

 

[Marvin]

After reading the Supreme Court documents, Jesse reflects that he wasn't as hard on activists as he should have been.

KJK uses it as an opportunity to attack him.
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KJK is increasingly retarded and obviously just using the movement for her own ego.

I don't think they gender critical movement would be where it's at without Jesse. His article were the first, and allowed people to start questioning youth gender medicine without coming off like a right wing ideologue.

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More TERFs show up to brow beat Jesse for not "amplifying feminists voices" . Whatever that means.

Whenever a man dares to wade into the murky waters of gender-critical discourse, a swarm of women quickly materializes, ready to chastise him for supposedly appropriating their struggle. TERFs can't let go of identity politics. They're just upset than trannies pushed them down a rung on the oppression stack.

Lol wow, what ungrateful dipshits.

I'd expect that from KJK, but even Kara's comment is a little whiny.

Like he's talking about his reporting on adolescent gender nonsense, which is not inherently a feminist issue.

If we're talking about how troons are fucking with womankind in general, like bathrooms and sports, then yeah, that's totally 100% a feminist issue. Having feminist voices at the head of that discussion would be totally fair.

But the kid issue is not the same thing and feminists don't have any significant monopoly on the moral analysis of that issue. Keep in mind, plenty of boys are being trooned too.

If some manosphere doofus said the sex swapped version of Kara's comment, it would be exactly as valid. "You should've amplified the often ignored men's rights voices" is just as legitimate a thing to say.

 

[Candidate No 7]

More TERFs show up to brow beat Jesse for not "amplifying feminists voices" . Whatever that means.

Whenever a man dares to wade into the murky waters of gender-critical discourse, a swarm of women quickly materializes, ready to chastise him for supposedly appropriating their struggle. TERFs can't let go of identity politics. They're just upset than trannies pushed them down a rung on the oppression stack.

Not to be pedantic but those angry women that worship KJK are not TERFs. They are generically anti-trans. Keen does not even call herself a feminist now, and is increasingly drifting into wild conspiracy nonsense.

The main thing about her is the success of her Let Women Speak events (which fair enough were a brilliant idea) has gone straight to her head. She has random goes at everyone she perceives as rivaling her status in any way. Extremely familiar behaviour seen countless times in preachers, Trots, online influencers, rock singers etc... I have a feeling she is going to go to extremely wild territories sooner or later.

 

[KiwiFuzz2]

Not to be pedantic but those angry women that worship KJK are not TERFs. They are generically anti-trans. Keen does not even call herself a feminist now, and is increasingly drifting into wild conspiracy nonsense.

The main thing about her is the success of her Let Women Speak events (which fair enough were a brilliant idea) has gone straight to her head. She has random goes at everyone she perceives as rivaling her status in any way. Extremely familiar behaviour seen countless times in preachers, Trots, online influencers, rock singers etc... I have a feeling she is going to go to extremely wild territories sooner or later.

There have been a few who've gone way off the rez. Meghan Murphy went from being a radfem to #MAGA in like two years.

Frankly, a lot of the gender-critical women seem like they're doing just fine platforming themselves.

"If we don't have a man to platform us, nobody will ever listen to us," seems like kind of an antiquated model from people who can get their own substacks.

 

[Accidental Protege]

After reading the Supreme Court documents, Jesse reflects that he wasn't as hard on activists as he should have been.

KJK uses it as an opportunity to attack him.
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KJK is increasingly retarded and obviously just using the movement for her own ego.

I don't think they gender critical movement would be where it's at without Jesse. His article were the first, and allowed people to start questioning youth gender medicine without coming off like a right wing ideologue.

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More TERFs show up to brow beat Jesse for not "amplifying feminists voices" . Whatever that means.

Whenever a man dares to wade into the murky waters of gender-critical discourse, a swarm of women quickly materializes, ready to chastise him for supposedly appropriating their struggle. TERFs can't let go of identity politics. They're just upset than trannies pushed them down a rung on the oppression stack.

Damn, that's disappointing coming from Kara Dansky. I don't agree with everything Jesse says but he's at least doing his part to bring attention to gender bullshit.

 

[Trig.Point]

I don't know if anybody else subscribes to the Barpod, but Jesse has been super salty recently, about various subjects. The recent premium show was the first he's hosted in a while and most of it was him whinging about Parker Posies tweet.



In a sign that's he's not as smart as some people think he is, he seemed to genuinely believe that Katie was going to back him up, which she didn't even though Katie doesn't like Parker Posie either.

This is on top of him arguing with subscribers about Trump, or rather Jesse's unwavering support for Kamala.

Katie and Jesse are making a shit ton of money but I have a suspician that the wheels are eventually going to come off the bus.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Jesse has been seething about Trump on X all week and I expect he's going to have a meltdown one way or the other come election day:

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

In a sign that's he's not as smart as some people think he is, he seemed to genuinely believe that Katie was going to back him up, which she didn't even though Katie doesn't like Parker Posie either.

The argument they got into about women leading the TERF movement in the UK was very strange. It's like he was looking for something she said to quibble with, and he could only think of something completely trivial and tangential to the point she was making. She was genuinely annoyed by it and the way he couldn't let it go, which was great entertainment for me but not a good look for this podcast.

A lot of his recent Substack posts have been about faggot shit, too. Don't be too extreme, goyim, don't reject the messaging, we must all meet in the center for the good of the System.

Katie talking about her dream was hard to listen to, but she is a woman and they love to ramble on about the nonsense that they hallucinate while they sleep, so it's understandable. It would have been good for Jesse to just nod and then have the editor cut it all out in post, but she is also the editor and clearly thought it was gold.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Here's the bit where Jesse and Katie are arguing in the most recent premo episode: -

I was close to turning this shit off myself when I was listening to the full thing.

 

[Trig.Point]

The argument they got into about women leading the TERF movement in the UK was very strange. It's like he was looking for something she said to quibble with, and he could only think of something completely trivial and tangential to the point she was making. She was genuinely annoyed by it and the way he couldn't let it go, which was great entertainment for me but not a good look for this podcast.

A lot of his recent Substack posts have been about faggot shit, too. Don't be too extreme, goyim, don't reject the messaging, we must all meet in the center for the good of the System.

Katie talking about her dream was hard to listen to, but she is a woman and they love to ramble on about the nonsense that they hallucinate while they sleep, so it's understandable. It would have been good for Jesse to just nod and then have the editor cut it all out in post, but she is also the editor and clearly thought it was gold.

She was fucking with Jesse, something she does more and more often these days. I suspect the fact that a lot of the content he's led with has been pretty low effort, the guests he's brought on (especially that guy who boasted about winning twtter fights) haven't gone down well with the commenters.

Not that Katies stuff is any better for instance she keeps trying to promote her dog sitters podcast, which is just a bunch of stone cold takes on politics. They haven't produced a really good episode in months, I suspect trace leaving didn't help.

 

[Load Bearing Drywall]

The argument they got into about women leading the TERF movement in the UK was very strange. It's like he was looking for something she said to quibble with, and he could only think of something completely trivial and tangential to the point she was making. She was genuinely annoyed by it and the way he couldn't let it go, which was great entertainment for me but not a good look for this podcast.

I found it exasperating - like they were talking past each other.

KJK is a cringey retard and grifter who really wants to be a cult leader and uses the exact same tactics as the TRAs, and her going after Jesse was stupid but unsurprising. She's a troll with a bully pulpit. Katie turned it into just being about UK terfs, where it's is 100% true that women, specifically lesbians, were at the forefront (RIP Magdelen Burns). Keen doesn't come from that tradition either.

But this current wave, in the US? Not necessarily true - Jesse was one of the first to (unintentionally) stick his neck out, and one of, if not the, earliest libleft journalist to do so and not immediately reverse course and worship the girl cock. (Funnily enough, the same year Keen became famous). There's now a few more doing serious coverage (Ben Ryan, Jennifer Block, Azeen Ghorayshi) but it's still a small club.

Jesse was over-focused on that pedantic point, because there wasn't really an organized US opposition movement like there is in the UK, and there definitely wasn't when he published.

Also I'm really tired of both TRAs and TERFs who get big mad at journalists who aren't activists on their side.

 

[Wallace]

Jesse's election post-mortem is up on his Substack.

Spoiler: Text

One of the only blessings from last night was that the scale of Kamala Harris’s defeat was so devastating that there won’t be much room for if-not-but-for–ing. There’s no equivalent to 2016’s “Why didn’t she campaign in Wisconsin?” (the leading candidate would have been “Why didn’t Harris choose Josh Shapiro”?). Harris got absolutely destroyed.

I hope, but am not holding my breath, that the thoroughness of the thumping will drive home a point that has been clear to many of us for a while: The anti-Trump movement is a broken, ineffectual, frequently self-sabotaging mess that cannot be salvaged. It needs to be burnt down (NOT LITERALLY) and rebuilt into something more effective and less delusional. This movement consists of far too many individuals who, having gotten way too high on their own supply, have spent the last few years wandering around like zombies, chanting strange mantras and scaring the normie neighbors. They need to be taken by the arm and gently guided to the nearest comfy chair for a long, restorative rest while people whose eyes are less bloodshot take over.

I don’t mean “the anti-Trump movement” in a derogatory or conspiratorial way. I simply mean the large group of individuals who get paid, at least in part, to fight Trump and Trumpism. The existence of such a group isn’t unusual; Trump happens to be the most powerful conservative politician in the United States (and probably the world1) right now, so naturally there’s a great deal of opposition to him. Between 2000 and 2008 there was a similar anti-Bush movement, and from 2008 to 2016 there was an anti-Obama movement.

The anti-Trump movement is a diverse group that spans multiple fields, including media, activism, and academia. It also spans a sizable chunk of the political spectrum, from relatively hard left to center-right. As much as I would like to distance myself from this group, I’m at least a part-time member, because I do sometimes write about politics from an anti-Trump perspective.

Generally speaking, it’s a bad idea to make sweeping claims about a big, diverse group — especially one beset by frequent disagreement and infighting. But in this case, I think there’s more than enough evidence to conclude, with all precincts reporting, that we are absolute losers.

Or maybe I shouldn’t use we — maybe I can weasel out of it because I don’t endorse every claim of the anti-Trump movement and because politics really isn’t my main thing by a long shot. But the point is simply that the anti-Trump movement’s decade-long attempts to define Trump as beyond the pale, as racist, as evil, as a threat to America, and on and on and on, has failed utterly and completely and spectacularly. By nearly every available metric, at the level of averages, American voters have marched away from these claims: Trump has gained significant ground among just about every group supposedly threatened and/or offended by him, including black and Latino voters (that’s an interesting NPR interview from this morning that is worth listening to).

While I find some common anti-Trump claims to be exaggerated, I endorse a lot of them. I have extremely negative sentiments toward the man and think he’s unfit to govern. That’s the thing, though: While my feelings may be important to me — I feel them very strongly, in fact! — to a certain approximation they don’t fucking matter, because I am so far from the median American voter.

“My feelings don’t really matter to this debate” is a difficult thing for any human to understand, since we’re all trapped in our own heads, creating our own fake little universes. But it’s particularly difficult when it comes to the anti-Trump movement. They — okay, back to we — consist disproportionately of highly educated, intellectually self-satisfied individuals who are confident in the moral and intellectual rectitude of our worldviews. And for those of us who enjoy genuine platforms, who make a living with our words, smugness is a ubiquitous temptation — we are the winners, enjoying the spoils of having somehow come out on top in an increasingly winner-take-all attention economy.

But I think it’s important to realize that we’re only the winners in a shallow, materialist sense. Which is more important: our own personal prosperity or the direction of our country? On that latter front, we aren’t the winners. We are the losers. Our most treasured values have been repudiated by our fellow Americans in two of the last three elections. The question now is: What are we going to do about it?

One possible route is to pretend we are the winners. This is going to be particularly tempting for those at the very top of the pyramid. For example, last night Joy Reid was on her Joy Reid kick about white women and the patriarchy. Joy Reid gets paid very well to Joy Reid, and for a lot of normal, human reasons, she is likely to endorse the view that she is the winner, and that all those losers — the losers who outnumber her and who keep voting for someone she views as the embodiment of human evil — will just have to get in line. Maybe if she criticizes them enough, the Democrats will eke out a win in 2036 against whatever truly grotesque sequel to Trump and J.D. Vance the GOP comes up with.

I don’t generally want to blame people for their emotional day-after tweets and takes, but the stuff I’m seeing from pundits again pinning the blame on racism or sexism, like this one from Joan Walsh. . .



. . . really is delusional and, if I’m being honest, infuriating. Pundits like Walsh have been banging the same drum for a decade, and it hasn’t worked. If Walsh wants to spend the rest of her career feeling good about herself, and making her audience feel good about themselves, sure, keep it up. Pornography is a recession-proof industry. But if I were in Walsh’s position, and viewed fighting Trump as a major part of my professional identity, at a certain point I’d start to feel a bit of shame over my track record.

Now: My argument is not that a lot of voters got annoyed by Joan Walsh and/or Joy Reid and therefore decided to vote for Trump. The average voter does not know who even Joy Reid, the bigger of the two names, is. My argument, rather, is that a very large chunk of the anti-Trump movement’s resources are being squandered on people and ideas that are ineffectual at best or counterproductive at worst, and that if defeating the present, curdled incarnation of the GOP is as important as anti-Trumpers claim it is, a lot of the “winners” within the anti-Trump ecosystem should stand down (LOL) or be replaced. Because they are failures! They are undeniably failures. That doesn’t mean they’re bad people or irresponsible pet owners, or that every word they’ve written is false, or that they don’t have insights on this or that issue — it just means that they set out on a big, important quest, and they’ve failed miserably. In well-functioning human institutions and movements, people who fail get demoted or replaced. Will that happen here? Have they really earned more chances?

There are a few reasonable-sounding objections to my indictment of the anti-Trump movement. I don’t have it in me to respond to all of them, so I’ll just choose one: Trump won because of a combination of economic concerns (perceived or real) and widespread dissatisfaction with the Biden campaign’s handling of the border, and other issues, and no anti-Trump movement (or Democratic candidate) could have really done anything about these difficult on-the-ground facts.

I don’t think this gets the anti-Trumpers off the hook. First, a lot of them confidently averred that these weren’t real problems, pointing to charts and graphs showing this or that fact about border encounters being down, or inflation not being as bad as many people think, and on and on and on. In some cases, they may have been right, technically! But voters don’t vote on the basis of what some nerd with a chart says; they vote on their vibes about how certain things are going. Which means that if your goal is to beat Trump, you need to understand their vibes and come up with an argument that meets the voters in question where they’re at — not one that sounds like something from a message board for macroeconomics PhDs.

Second, if your argument is “there was nothing we could do about this,” that’s not an argument. There are plenty of people who aren’t quite so fatalistic, so maybe hand them the keys and go retire somewhere if you’re not up for this.

Third, look at this (as-yet-incomplete) map from The New York Times showing what we know so far about which counties shifted in which direction relative to 2020:



Maybe this is my most circumstantial and least careful argument, but I just think that if the anti-Trump movement had had any success painting Trump the way they wanted to paint him, we wouldn’t have seen this sort of bloodbath in both red and blue states. Orange Man Bad has just failed entirely as an argument, or at the very least it has proven puny in the face of other factors.

It could be that certain media properties, like Joy Reid’s, can enjoy continued profitability by producing pornography for Trump opponents. She and MSNBC have every right to make this business decision. But if left-of-center American politics is to have any meaningful success at the national level in the near-term, the voices of whiny losers need to be marginalized in favor of newer, more reality-based, and less sanctimonious ones. That won’t guarantee any sort of success in the future, of course, but it’s an absolutely necessary first step.

I’m not offering a lot of solutions here, and the fact is I’m hoping to really turn away from politics for a while and back to this newsletter’s red meat (let’s see how successful I am). In terms of the rough contours of a possible way forward, I leave you with Matt Yglesias:

There has been a lot of strategic investment in a deliberate project of narrowing the progressive tent both by purging a few and by intimidating others out of speaking their minds and it’s basically worked.
The problem is you just lose!

And with Rachel Cohen:

I am doubtful that most groups will do serious reflection and reconsideration of their strategy and demands because their organizational incentives are primarily not about actually winning, one of the saddest dynamics to me about contemporary politics.

At the end of the day, much of this really will come down to a choice: How important is winning to you versus feeling good about yourself and being congratulated by your peers at your ever-shrinking coalition’s annual conferences and galas? I strongly suspect that in the case of many anti-Trump stalwarts, I know the answer — and it’s depressing as hell.

I don't agree with everything Jesse says, but I think he got it right here:

Pundits like Walsh have been banging the same drum for a decade, and it hasn’t worked. If Walsh wants to spend the rest of her career feeling good about herself, and making her audience feel good about themselves, sure, keep it up. Pornography is a recession-proof industry. But if I were in Walsh’s position, and viewed fighting Trump as a major part of my professional identity, at a certain point I’d start to feel a bit of shame over my track record.

 

[Trig.Point]

I don't agree with everything Jesse says, but I think he got it right here:

Yeah well he's skipped this weeks show, he announced yesterday he's taking a break from twitter. There's been a serious decline in quality of the podcast. I think Katie kind of realises it. The guests continue to dissapoint. I haven't cancelled my subscription because the comment section can be pretty interesting (yet Katie and Jessie prefer their subreddit) and I think they're going to start going at each other at some point.

 

[Dr. Butt]

It needs to be burnt down (NOT LITERALLY)

Jesus Christ the fucking state of reading comprehension these days.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Yeah well he's skipped this weeks show, he announced yesterday he's taking a break from twitter. There's been a serious decline in quality of the podcast. I think Katie kind of realises it. The guests continue to dissapoint. I haven't cancelled my subscription because the comment section can be pretty interesting (yet Katie and Jessie prefer their subreddit) and I think they're going to start going at each other at some point.

Didn't they promise that this format would be dropped once their books were finished? The guests have been major losers, and there's no one in the audience who will miss Katie's bitchy cat moms or the bores that Jesse dige up. Also the return of Cheeto Man is sure to generate content that they are more comfortable with and which is more entertaining. On the other hand, losing Trace had a noticeable impact on the show, and Rachel is not picking up the slack.

 

[Sekhmet]

Didn't they promise that this format would be dropped once their books were finished?

They did, but then said they liked the new direction and intended to keep it. At that point I faded out, I've dropped my subscription and don't plan on returning. Instead of being entertained, even when I disagreed, I found myself constantly annoyed at the half baked thoughts and preaching. I have no interests in the guests and find them weak when I tune in. The silly Internet drama content wasn't as good without Trace either.

Speaking of Trace, he is having a fascinating TDS meltdown on twitter that's worth reading. He's too smart to fall for a lot of the party bias, but still despises Trump. He has a weird worship of the deep state Machine as well. He just dislikes that it's turned against him, rather than wanting to actually remove it.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Yeah well he's skipped this weeks show, he announced yesterday he's taking a break from twitter. There's been a serious decline in quality of the podcast. I think Katie kind of realises it. The guests continue to dissapoint. I haven't cancelled my subscription because the comment section can be pretty interesting (yet Katie and Jessie prefer their subreddit) and I think they're going to start going at each other at some point.

I think they actually do dislike each other. The only thing they really had in common was getting cancelled over being gender critical and their careers have since recovered. Neither of them seems especially engaged with the show anymore. Katie will hang on to the bitter end because it's basically free money and she she has two mortgages but I would not be surprised if Jesse gets demoted to occasional guest host.

(He's back on Twitter FWIW)

 

[Norman B. Normal]

They still host all of the primo episodes together. I don't know if they're deliberately making the free episodes less engaging to drive people to subscribe for the good stuff, but if they are, it's working on me.

 

[Trig.Point]

I think they actually do dislike each other. The only thing they really had in common was getting cancelled over being gender critical and their careers have since recovered. Neither of them seems especially engaged with the show anymore. Katie will hang on to the bitter end because it's basically free money and she she has two mortgages but I would not be surprised if Jesse gets demoted to occasional guest host.

(He's back on Twitter FWIW)

That view is getting shared more and more in the comments section of Barpod. Which is something both rarely participate in (although Jesse did occassionaly reply to cricisims of his anti trump takes).

The comments section is an odd one particularly the wednesday open thread, I'm convinced a lot of people subscribe simply to participate in it. Neither of them are listening to what people are saying, whoever 'Jessica the 80's baby' is, she' s no where as good as Trace at finding stories, also they never explained what happened to their other producer Lex.

In fairness Ben Kawaller was a decent cohost his article on how Matthew Shepperd actually died, was a genuniely great piece of journalism, also his Ben meets america series on YouTube is always funny. But other than him and Helen Lewis the rest of the cohosts were pretty poor and fucking enough about Katies dog sitter.

On multiple occassions Katie and Jessie have spoken about how hard it is to make a living as a writer, they have this gig that pays well and they're fucking it up.