Pompeii victims aren't who we thought they were, DNA analysis reveals - Study Included.

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An ancient-DNA analysis of victims in Pompeii who died in Mount Vesuvius' eruption reveals some unusual relations between the people who died together.

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A photo of the body casts of two adults and two children who died in what's now called the house of the golden bracelet in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis shows that these four people are not genetically related to one another.

Ancient DNA taken from the Pompeii victims of Mount Vesuvius' eruption nearly 2,000 years ago reveals that some people's relationships were not what they seemed, according to a new study.

For instance, an adult who was wearing a golden bracelet and holding a child on their lap was long thought to be a mother with her child. But the new DNA analysis revealed that, in reality, the duo were "an unrelated adult male and child," study co-author David Reich, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, said in a statement.

In another example, a couple who died in an embrace and were "thought to be sisters, or mother and daughter, were found to include at least one genetic male," Reich said. "These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions."

In the study, published Thursday (Nov. 7) in the journal Current Biology, Reich and an international team of researchers looked at the genetics of five individuals who died during the A.D. 79 eruption that killed around 2,000 people.

When Mount Vesuvius erupted, it covered the surrounding area in a deadly layer of volcanic ash, pumice and pyroclastic flow, burying people alive and preserving the shapes of many bodies beneath the calcified layers of ash. The remains of the city were rediscovered only in the 1700s. In the following century, archaeologist Giuseppe Fiorelli perfected his plaster technique, in which he filled in the human-shaped holes left after the bodies had decomposed to create casts of the victims.

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The casts of two people who died about 2,000 years ago in the house of the cryptoporticus in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis found that one individual was biologically male, but the sex of the other could not be determined.

The casts allowed scholars to study the victims in their last moments and make hypotheses about their identities based on details such as their locations, positions and apparel. The problem with this approach, however, was that their interpretations were influenced by modern-day assumptions — for instance, that the four people at the house with the golden bracelet, which included the adult holding the child, were two parents with their children, when in reality none of them were genetically related, the researchers wrote in the study.

For their research, the team analyzed 14 casts and extracted DNA from fragmented skeletal remains in five of them. By analyzing this genetic material, the scientists determined the individuals' genetic relationships, sex and ancestry. The team concluded that the victims had a "diverse genomic background," primarily descending from recent eastern Mediterranean immigrants, per the statement, confirming the Roman Empire's multiethnic reality.

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The cast of a person who died in the villa of the mysteries in Pompeii in A.D. 79.

"Our findings have significant implications for the interpretation of archaeological data and the understanding of ancient societies," study co-author Alissa Mittnik, an archaeogeneticist at Harvard Medical School and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, said in the statement. "They highlight the importance of integrating genetic data with archaeological and historical information to avoid misinterpretations based on modern assumptions."

It's possible that past misconceptions led to the "exploitation of the casts as vehicles for storytelling," meaning that curators may have manipulated the victims' "poses and relative positioning" for exhibits, the team wrote in the study.

Sex misassignment is "not uncommon" in archaeology, Carles Lalueza-Fox, a biologist at the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF) in Barcelona who specializes in the study of ancient DNA but was not involved with the study, told Live Science in an email.

"Of course we look at the past with the cultural eyes of the present and this view is sometimes distorted; for me the discovery of a man with a golden bracelet trying to save an unrelated child is more interesting and culturally complex than assuming it was a mother and her child," Lalueza-Fox said.
 

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Slaves made up like 1/3rd of the population, and usually took care of the children of the household. It makes perfect sense that the people found holding children wouldn't be genetically related to them. Also, people who are stuck together in a certain death situation will often embrace as a way of comforting themselves before the end comes. Case in point: this wind turbine fire in the Netherlands that happened not too long ago.
 
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My cousin Gaius Walterius jerked off in public once. True story. He was in a city by a the coast when all of a sudden the local volcano blows, hot ash and fiery rocks falling all over the forum, going out of control. So, he decides it's all over and whips it out from under his toga and starts beating it right there. So, all the other citizens and slaves take a cue from him and they start whipping it out and beating like mad. So, all the townfolk are beating off, awaiting certain doom, when all of a sudden the volcano stops and the lava halts right outside the Temple of Mars. Everyone puts their pieces or whatever, you know, away and nobody mentions the phenemenon to anyone else.
 
Wow I have rarely seen such blatant attempt as this to twist a historical event toward someone's personal agenda.



No they don't. That is one of the wildest grasp at straws I think I have seen in a peer-reviewed historical paper in awhile. like @Breadbassket said the most logical conclusion is severe panic with death occuring whilst attempting to hunker down and shelter. They probably didn't have hardly any time to run and hide from the oncoming devastation. I really don't like politically motivated scientists they are always ready to make some wild statement like this to attach their weird beliefs to history.

I was thinking this man just found a scared child and held onto him. Lots of children probably got separated in the panic.

It says that one of the two embracing adults is of indeterminate gender. So genderblobs reading this article are going "OMG just like me!" when in reality the ravages of time and volcanic ash are the real reason why they are unsure.
 
in reality, the duo were "an unrelated adult male and child,"
I was 200% certain the big "reveal" would be that they were troons, and Pompeii turned out to be invented by African Kwaynes or some such. I did not expect them to go so far as including the brave transsexual's Companion of Shared MonkeyPox, but I guess "love is love".

These findings challenge traditional gender
Imagine being a scholar whose work consists of speedrunning through other historians' works and appending "ackchyually these were all gender goblins", burning down decades and centuries of accumulated institutional credibility for some Harry Potter points in the Progressive stack.
 
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HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS RELATE TO "GENDER NORMS" WHEN YOU JUST REALIZED PEOPLE MISTOOK THE SEX OF THE PLASTERED ASH MUMMY?

I've read this article like three times. Do they ever actually explain how it changes our understanding of things?

All I see is that, "this changed it," and it, "shows the importance."

It's like a half article. Half a point being made.

It reminds me of when Null criticizes Islam by saying things about the life of the Prophet.

It's like, ok, and...Does that mean God doesn't exist? Does it mean God couldn't have picked him?

I think it's a cultural thing from the Internet, that people only explain things half way while leaving the conclusion to you, because the answer is so obvious!

Anyway, at the end of the day this is a persuasive essay that leaves me unpersuaded.
 
DNA didn't match? Let me think, perhaps it's because the Romans were major slave owners? You can't hate journos enough.

Slaves made up like 1/3rd of the population, and usually took care of the children of the household. It makes perfect sense that the people found holding children wouldn't be genetically related to them. Also, people who are stuck together in a certain death situation will often embrace as a way of comforting themselves before the end comes. Case in point: this wind turbine fire in the Netherlands that happened not too long ago.
I know shit about Roman story and their customs, but the first thought I had was "couldn't this guy be the nanny?", which sure, it's what the slave probably was. Even if he or she wasn't in charge of the kids, most likely the masters ordered the slaves to take the kids and evacuate.

If I could reach to this conclusion, people with more knowledge about Roma probably did too, but they did NOT want to "assume" anything and rather opted for the less likely explanation to push a narrative: it was a black translesbian furry who was a member of their polycule.
 
Not to mention that, as an adult, knowing you and everyone around you is fucked, if you have even a shred of decency and sanity you are going to comfort those around you who don't grasp what is about to happen.
Apparently not anymore. That is not allowed according to soyence. I hate what these unhumans have done to one of my hobbies.
 
I know shit about Roman story and their customs, but the first thought I had was "couldn't this guy be the nanny?", which sure, it's what the slave probably was. Even if he or she wasn't in charge of the kids, most likely the masters ordered the slaves to take the kids and evacuate.
Or Teacher, alot of very well educated slaves.
 
How could they obtain the DNA from the casts when the skeletons are presumably still inside? Did they have to destroy the casts?

The simplest explanation would be that the casting process introduced contaminating DNA. I would hope the researchers eliminated this possibility.
 
All except the poorest Greco-Roman households had at least one slave, including child slaves

And male Romans commonly visited the homes of their frens and business associates

The simplest and likeliest explanation for the four bodies is a male head of the household (or son of the paterfamilias) in the same room with two (unrelated) adult slaves, or one unrelated adult slave and his wife, and an (unrelated) child slave when Vesuvius went boom
 
No they don't. That is one of the wildest grasp at straws I think I have seen in a peer-reviewed historical paper in awhile.
Jolly reminder that "peer-reviewed" just means you followed the recognized standard of formatting and documenting your thesis. It doesn't actually go through your datapoints and certainly won't get any pushback if your "peer" happens to want to have similar beliefs of how the pompei people lived in gay polycules or whatever deranged shit. Ive seen papers be outright discarded for being "peer-reviewed" due to their premise going against one of the anointed dogmas of our time, climate change. Science is a farce for the most part due to these point, and anything mildly subjective is a breeding ground for retardation.
 
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