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[General Emílio Médici]

There's a pretty big difference between disagreeing with leftist talking points and outright slander, you know.

Sure, but consider this: Compare what has been done to Alex Jones over his "slander" (A few grieving parents getting phone calls from maybe half a dozen schizos 10 years ago) and what the likes of CNN/Fox/MSNBC or even similar sized media outlets have had done to them over their slander (Covington Kids, Russian collusion, slanders of Trump and his presidency, Robert Jewel, Rape at Campus, Kyle Rittenhouse, Bush National Guard Letters, Iraqi WMDs).

There is no logical equivalency. There is no proportion. Jones is being punished hundreds of times more harshly for a minor case than companies and reporters who have actual mainstream power to attack people have had done to them. There is absolutely no standard under which Jones needs to lose his entire company and livelyhood and become a indentured servant to the state over his schizo rants about Sandy Hook but the likes of Rachel Maddow get to just move on without even a slap on the wrist after sabotaging a entire presidential term and causing billions of dollars to be spent on a hoax of russian collusion.

 

[Not Really Here]

(A few grieving parents getting phone calls from maybe half a dozen schizos 10 years ago)

And an FBI agent that investigated the shooting. He has to pay a government agent millions, for being one of the last people saying the government faked something.

 

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Kamala trying to get recounts is undermining our republic. Trump is a true mensch who won't launch legal warfare that would tank a gop nominees campaign unlike some people.

She's not trying to get recounts. Her campaign is 20 million dollars in the hole and she gets to keep any leftover money. She's trying to grift 20 million + her retirement fund because she is now politically radioactive and will never be allowed to run for any office, not even county dog catcher, again. And she's not getting the Uniparty Welfare package of a consultant job + book deal, either.

 

[John.Doe]

What they can do, though, is punish him excessively so maybe if he offed himself, well, he'd be the only one to blame. I mean, he couldn't live with his guilty conscience anymore, right?

That can be a dangerous game to play.

Jones has enough money, resources, and a public facing reputation that skews the odds for him in favor of pursuing this case into appeals. He's more likely to play into the system and try to beat them at their own game. Even at the current stage where they have "won" these trials, Jones is still throwing punches and hasn't lost the will to fight while more skepticism about the situation is growing. It could be a real Pyrrhic victory type situation.

Now, on normal people without Jones' money or influence this tactic might yield some dividends, plenty of people will cuck and self delete. On the other paw, they might just find that some people undergo a dangerous transformation once they are completely 'canceled' and bankrupted. Some men, finding their future as a peaceful, productive citizen killed will not try to rectify the situation by becoming physically dead to match. Instead, they will strike at those that have 'killed' them - after all, they have nothing to lose, they have already been murdered in every way except the metabolic.

The people behind these kinds of lawfare are, in their hearts, cowards. Otherwise they wouldn't stoop to corrupting the legal process to achieve their aims. So I imagine that when the first violent backlash that puts several lawyers and judges in bodybags happens, they will back off from this tactic. For a while.

 

[nigel p poppycock]

Im interested in how MAGA is going to battle the neocons and Never Trumpers this time around. There aren't as many, but they still infest the Republican party. Should they stall Trump heavily on getting his reforms and laws done the people will do what they always do which is blame the president, and should things stay the same, or get worse this would seriously hurt JD's or any republicans chances in 2028. Should the democrats win again in 2028 they will probably just reopen the border and go "I can't do anything about it! I need congress waaaaaah!" while continuing the train of turning the US into a technocratic shithole.

What tools does Trump have in his belt to prevent this? Hopefully he can expose them and end their political careers, but that didn't happen the first time in most cases, and these RINOs will just have the democratic media machine backing them like with Liz anyway.

I'm behind again but here's my 2 cents on this: we the people need to stop sitting on our hands and letting others fight our battles. If we see RINOs acting up, we call them out on it--social media, emails, phone calls, etc. Not in a bullying or inflammatory way, but in a "you work for me, here's what I think/want you to do, and here's what you're not going to do or you've lost my future vote" type of way. One thing this election showed is that if you get involved in the process, change can happen. Trump isn't going to save us, we have to get involved and save ourselves.

That also means getting involved in the election process. I've said this before (and will again) that whining about stolen votes and rigged elections while not doing a damn thing to prevent it, even if the effort fails, means your opinion is discarded. At the most basic level it would be learning how the election process works in your state and on the federal level, and at the most is running for office. There's a wide spectrum of ways to contribute to the process depending on your time, effort, finances, and ability. More people became actively involved after 2020, this needs to continue.

As an aside, last night I saw a reel where Scott Presler was speaking about his work with the Amish. It's beyond mind blowing how he did this, and he laid it out in a speech given before the election: mail in voting. The Amish are much more likely to vote knowing they can vote from home and their vote is secret. They voted and delivered PA. Now that's what happens when you get involved.

 

[Bakarina]

That can be a dangerous game to play.

Jones has enough money, resources, and a public facing reputation that skews the odds for him in favor of pursuing this case into appeals. He's more likely to play into the system and try to beat them at their own game. Even at the current stage where they have "won" these trials, Jones is still throwing punches and hasn't lost the will to fight while more skepticism about the situation is growing. It could be a real Pyrrhic victory type situation.

Now, on normal people without Jones' money or influence this tactic might yield some dividends, plenty of people will cuck and self delete. On the other paw, they might just find that some people undergo a dangerous transformation once they are completely 'canceled' and bankrupted. Some men, finding their future as a peaceful, productive citizen killed will not try to rectify the situation by becoming physically dead to match. Instead, they will strike at those that have 'killed' them - after all, they have nothing to lose, they have already been murdered in every way except the metabolic.

The people behind these kinds of lawfare are, in their hearts, cowards. Otherwise they wouldn't stoop to corrupting the legal process to achieve their aims. So I imagine that when the first violent backlash that puts several lawyers and judges in bodybags happens, they will back off from this tactic. For a while.

I don't think Jones will repeat the physical arc of Killdozer, but hopefully he will in spirit.

 

[BigJoey41X]

It's never slander when it's a matter of public concern, debate, and others have publicly said the same for 2 years before you say it. Doubly so when a matter of political speech.

Unless you're named Alex Jones, then for the first time ever, it's literally the most financially damaging thing said ever said in the history of mankind.

Alex Jones was targeted because he was the most prominent guy that spread the message through InfoWars, nobody is gonna come after a guy that said the same thing in a random corner of the internet, but that case becomes a lot different if they happened to have an audience that would believe what you are saying, and have tangible consequences BECAUSE of what they said, even more so if it involves accusing certain individuals of malicious acts.

Freedom of speech is good and should be protected, but spreading harmful, unsubstantiated bullshit to peddle to the public is not one of them and was never covered by the first amendment.

Now, was the suit politically motivated?, yeah, sure, were there more, greedy motives behind it?, probably, but was it wrong to go after Jones for doing what he did? personally, yeah, he deserved it.

Sure, but consider this: Compare what has been done to Alex Jones over his "slander" (A few grieving parents getting phone calls from maybe half a dozen schizos 10 years ago) and what the likes of CNN/Fox/MSNBC or even similar sized media outlets have had done to them over their slander (Covington Kids, Russian collusion, slanders of Trump and his presidency, Robert Jewel, Rape at Campus, Kyle Rittenhouse, Bush National Guard Letters, Iraqi WMDs).

There is no logical equivalency. There is no proportion. Jones is being punished hundreds of times more harshly for a minor case than companies and reporters who have actual mainstream power to attack people have had done to them. There is absolutely no standard under which Jones needs to lose his entire company and livelyhood and become a indentured servant to the state over his schizo rants about Sandy Hook but the likes of Rachel Maddow get to just move on without even a slap on the wrist after sabotaging a entire presidential term and causing billions of dollars to be spent on a hoax of russian collusion.

I agree, that was pure and utter lies spread by the mainstream media, no wonder fewer and fewer people are listening to what they have to say (see: the 2024 U.S Election), also didn't the Covington kids successfully sue CNN for slandering them too?

In an ideal world, these sad excuses of "journalism" should be held accountable for their actions.

 

[Not Really Here]

Alex Jones was targeted because he was the most prominent guy that spread the message through InfoWars, nobody is gonna come after a guy that said the same thing in a random corner of the internet, but that case becomes a lot different if they happened to have an audience that would believe what you are saying, and have tangible consequences BECAUSE of what they said, even more so if it involves accusing certain individuals of malicious acts.

That's not how the law ever worked, you can't be held responsible for someone else deciding to commit crime.

Freedom of speech is good and should be protected, but spreading harmful, unsubstantiated bullshit to peddle to the public is not one of them and was never covered by the first amendment.

That's literally the only thing freedom of speech protects, popular and normal speech doesn't ever need protection.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Hey guys

So I have some japanese friends, who want to see the pop cast with trump where he talked about abe and said "if he was still alive I wouldnt tell this story"

I thought it was on joe rogan but it some other interview or stream or cast

anyone have a link?

Here it is from the Bloomberg interview where he beat up that british faggot:

He said something similar during the Flagrant podcast but not the "if he was alive" bit

 

[BigJoey41X]

That's not how the law ever worked, you can't be held responsible for someone else deciding to commit crime.

OBVIOUSLY, Alex Jones was not involved in the shooting, what he got in hot water was for explicitly making statements that the parents of victims were "crisis actors" set up by the government, that is how he got sued to the ground.

That's literally the only thing freedom of speech protects, popular and normal speech doesn't ever need protection.

Libel/Slander is not protected under the 1st Amendment, look it up.

 

[Not Really Here]

Libel/Slander is not protected under the 1st Amendment, look it up.

It actually is protected when it's a matter of public debate, see: NBC whitening Zimmerman picture, Rittenhouse ect.

They would have had an argument for suing the first people to say it, but not a guy 2 years later, after whole ass feature length documentaries were made.

 

[John.Doe]

I don't think Jones will repeat the physical arc of Killdozer, but hopefully he will in spirit.

No, Jones wouldn't do that, but the thing is that every time they try this tactic they are rolling the dice that the next guy will do that. Eventually the odds will come up Killdozer if they keep trying it.

Freedom of speech is good and should be protected, but spreading harmful, unsubstantiated bullshit to peddle to the public is not one of them and was never covered by the first amendment.

Are you European? You sound cucked.

 

[Bakarina]

It actually is protected when it's a matter of public debate, see: NBC whitening Zimmerman picture, Rittenhouse ect.

They would have had an argument for suing the first people to say it, but not a guy 2 years later, after whole ass feature length documentaries were made.

Wasn't Jones also pointing out the discrepancies in the reports, the odd behavior from some of the parents, and the fact that Sandy Hook wasn't recorded in the FBI's mass shooting register (still isn't last I checked around May 2024).

Reason why they went after Jones was because he was asking the right questions imo. He also apologized soon after and tried to do damage control and the families are still trying to drain him of every cent because he dared to poke holes where they were obvious to those that looked.

 

[spaztocate9000]

The nation is healing, thanks Trump!

 

[Not Really Here]

Wasn't Jones also pointing out the discrepancies in the reports, the odd behavior from some of the parents, and the fact that Sandy Hook wasn't recorded in the FBI's mass shooting register (still isn't last I checked around May 2024).

That shit was all in the 2 year long ongoing public debate, the Hook truthers spammed content like the 9/11 truthers.

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Yeah, sorry, I hope this is fake. I already wasted too much time with Trump's first admin that 4d chess was real. I won't be surprised at all if Zionism dominates Trump's cabinet, but I think it will be a poison pill for his admin longer term.

The Trump counter-elite is essentially tech guys like Thiel and Musk, and hardcore Zionists who got really spooked by the left's reaction to the latest violence in Israel. Both are powerful and both want their pound of flesh for backing Trump's play. This was inevitable, the real question is if Trump can manage these two factions effectively while still accomplishing his overall agenda.

I fucking hate being used as a blood-bag for the Jews too, so hopefully this is all posturing to make the pending negotiations more favorable to the US and Israel. Ultimately, I don't really care all that much if they resolve it with a truce or keep fighting, I just don't want my country to foot the bill for it either way.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

November 19 is a very special International Men's Day (also Kyle Rittenhouse Acquittal Day) following a very special election. Keep an eye out for seething.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

making statements that the parents of victims were "crisis actors" set up by the government, that is how he got sued to the ground.

Well last thing I’ll say on this is All that fining him ten billion gorillion morbillion dollars did was make me think that hey maybe there’s something to it when otherwise I’d dismiss it as Alex Jones being retarded.

If it was in the order of a few million I could buy it but the level they took it to gets the coffee percolating.

 

[BigJoey41X]

It actually is protected when it's a matter of public debate, see: NBC whitening Zimmerman picture, Rittenhouse ect.

They would have had an argument for suing the first people to say it, but not a guy 2 years later, after whole ass feature length documentaries were made.

Again, he was the most prominent guy who spread it, and there are arguments to be made that there were political and monetary reasons he was sued, he was the loudest and easiest target of this whole discourse after all.

Are you European? You sound cucked.

The 1st Amendment excludes it.

I'm just repeating myself at this point, I'm done arguing this.

 

[Potatoherder]

I hope the Noem thing isn't real. She isn't a good choice at all and will be a thorn in his side. I had hope she had burned enough bridges like Reynolds had to prevent her from getting any posting.