Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[JU 199]

"People in these facilities aren't criminals"

lol no

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

Absolutely. Anyone who doesn't kiss the ass of the cult leader must be banished from the tribe lest they influence others. Everyone who questions anything is now a troll. It will discourage questions from the faithful who so desperately want Greta's stamp of approval, but it also means genuine supporters will get purged as well.

It's another indication that Greta cannot, and never will be able to, see the organisations with which she's involved as separate from herself.

Good. Let the party purge begin.

 

[4Macie]

Remember, Greta getting drunk and oversleeping her visitation with about-to-be-exported Child Bride IS THE FAULT OF ICE THOSE FASCIST RACISTS! Greta has a pathological aversion towards personal responsibility.
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lol they make no effort to help? The fuck? They provide detainees with food, clothes, water, a roof over there head, legal access, and visitation rights. Literally the best El Niño could ask for right now.

Greta missing the visitation times and then ICE not bending the rules is somehow anti-trans and anti-immigrant. Makes sense.

 

[Warden Cross]

The post didn't accuse them of that, though. All it said was that they never have anyone online to help.

If anything the comment after that is more trollish, but Greta doesn't ask about that person. I tend to agree that it's about Greta purging her own friends list of doubters, but also about getting her followers to purge their lists of people who aren't 100% faithful Greta groupies.

I doubt any of them took a moment to actually look at what was said before deleting the person from their friend lists, too; all it took was Shrek's word that this person was "trolling." All it takes is an accusation, and cult mentality does the rest. None of them will ever bother to wonder why someone might be against the lifeline.

 

[repentance]

If Greta cares so much about the plight of brown people who aren't criminals being detained in these centres, then she must surely have visited a detention centre before now. Right? Or does her concern extend only to making social media comments until the issue affects her personally?

 

[JU 199]

Whats the chance Greta simply forgot when to see Nina? I'm not ruling out ICE getting it wrong but Greta is a notorious liar.

 

[Coldgrip]

Whats the chance Greta simply forgot when to see Nina? I'm not ruling out ICE getting it wrong but Greta is a notorious liar.

Or the possibility that maybe he's going to start phasing Niraj out of his life and is just using ICE as a convenient excuse?

 

[repentance]

Whats the chance Greta simply forgot when to see Nina? I'm not ruling out ICE getting it wrong but Greta is a notorious liar.

Who knows. If she'd asked about visiting hours, she would have been told if the New Year's Day hours were different. It's possible that the holiday information wasn't on the website. Clearly she wasn't there first thing in the morning, though, if she missed even changed visiting hours.

Just like with the green card, it seems like Greta simply assumed and wants to blame someone else when her assumptions turn out to be wrong.

Personal responsibility? How does it fucking work?

"I'd do anything for that girl". Except, apparently, things which require actual effort on Greta's part - like getting together all the paperwork she needs to support Nina's green card application, and being at the detention centre when it opens.

 

[Southern Belle]

Well legally, doesn't Shrek have to release a report on their spending since they are a non-profit?

I asked a non-profit consultant for a pagan org i used to be involved with. This is what she had to say:

Yes. Legally, they have to release an annual report showing where every penny of donation money goes. If they fail to do so within a reasonable amount of time, and then continue to fail to comply when petitioned by the IRS or other enforcement agency (state AND federal) the IRS has grounds to strip them of their Non-profit status. At which point they can regain said status after 3 years so long as they comply with policy. Problem is that when a non-profit is stripped in the first place, it flags the organization so that should they petition for non-profit status again, they will be dealt with under far more scrutiny and with harsher penalties for failure to comply. That's why many non-profit orgs who get stripped change their name, change their board members around, and their executives to get around the harsher policies and such. (Re-structuring/re-branding.)

If you don't have things in order for the first 2 years or so, you get a hefty fine and they may look the other way or try to help you make sure you're ready for the next year's report. By year 3, if reports are not filed (or they are found to be lacking/fraudulent) and public access denied to said reports (especially if you can prove you donated to the organization in question), status is typically stripped if you continue to fail to comply to the rules and regulations.

TLL has been in operation what? 1-3 years or so? TAP was recently established near the end of 2016? It's not uncommon for non-profit scams to be in operation for around 2-3 years (to establish themselves and gain a "trustworthy" reputation in order to maximize donations, grants, and other income flows) and then suddenly have branches come off with a separate (but often similar) organization for the scammers to jump to when the IRS comes down on the current one. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

"People in these facilities aren't criminals"

lol no

That Simpsons episode where they want to deport all the illegal immigrants, Marge comes around because her thought process is "...really, your only crime is violating US law."

 

[repentance]

I asked a non-profit consultant for a pagan org i used to be involved with. This is what she had to say:



TLL has been in operation what? 1-3 years or so? TAP was recently established near the end of 2016? It's not uncommon for non-profit scams to be in operation for around 2-3 years (to establish themselves and gain a "trustworthy" reputation in order to maximize donations, grants, and other income flows) and then suddenly have branches come off with a separate (but often similar) organization for the scammers to jump to when the IRS comes down on the current one. Wash, rinse, repeat.

TLL did publish an annual report for 2015. A shitty, badly put together one, but an annual report nonetheless. Their revenue was well below the threshold which requires them to have their accounts audited.

What they hadn't done last time we checked was filed recent tax information, but there are usually multiple ways to get filing deadlines for that extended.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I asked a non-profit consultant for a pagan org i used to be involved with. This is what she had to say:



TLL has been in operation what? 1-3 years or so? TAP was recently established near the end of 2016? It's not uncommon for non-profit scams to be in operation for around 2-3 years (to establish themselves and gain a "trustworthy" reputation in order to maximize donations, grants, and other income flows) and then suddenly have branches come off with a separate (but often similar) organization for the scammers to jump to when the IRS comes down on the current one. Wash, rinse, repeat.

This is eerily similar to online advertising Ponzi Schemes. You get serial scammers like Simon Stepsys and Charles Scoville and Jets Fifita hitching their wagon to things like Banners Broker, IMarkets Live, Uvioo, My Advertising Pays, Traffic Monsoon, etc. at the outset then after 2-3 years jump ship to the next one.

Of course, I don't know which is more reprehensible - Greta or the Ponzi brigade. On balance, I think Greta because the Ponzi brigade are honest inasmuch as they appeal to peoples' innate greed. Greta takes advantage of people under a cover of claiming to be doing the right thing.

 

[Peace and Harmony]

Okay that's cool that you made it to the Taco Bell on time, what about Niraj though

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

One thing I'm unclear about is whether Nina can take two bites at the cherry simultaneously. Can she still try to get a green card via the spousal route while trying to claim asylum at the same time, or does she have to pick one of those options right now (in which case it would make sense to try to go the spousal route and only try to claim asylum if that is ultimately denied)?

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She can and will do both and they are separate matters involving two separate organizations: Immigration court and USCIS. Immigration Court reports to the Dept of Justice and USCIS to Homeland Security. ICE is just the enforcement branch of USCIS.

No one, if they can help it, wants to take on a defensive asylum case in immigration court. It's long, expensive, and difficult and if there is any other possible avenue (or relief as it's called) open to be legal it's always the better option. You see people in asylum cases getting married constantly due to this. I sat in immigration court a few times and watched it play out.

Story unrelated to Nina but about asylum marriages

Spoiler

I saw a 50 year old Mexican man who just happened to get married to his 80 year old landlord, who was blind and so morbidly obese she couldn't actually travel 20 minutes to court to testify, right as his individual merit hearing loomed. Another was a romeo sort from the Eastern bloc who you could tell had managed to get a girl to marry him who thought he actually loved her. She somehow realized he was just using her for a green card and had pretty much washed her hands of him, not actively trying to fuck him but not there to testify and help either. Unfortunately Romeo's mother-in-law wasn't nearly as forgiving and she showed up to be sure they knew he was a scammer - and it was revealed that NCIS had flagged the case for possible fraud and an investigator found out they weren't living at the same address. Romeo looked pretty defeated as he left the courtroom.

Basically you go before the IJ in an asylum case (which is under the authority of the Dept. of Justice) and request continuances in the matter because you are working on another avenue of relief and as long as the judge thinks it's a valid avenue for you to pursue and gets reports as to the progress on the matter he/she will give you time do it.

So while the clock ticks on the asylum court case, they work diligently to get that marriage greencard (via a I-190 and I-485 application) submitted to USCIS (which is under homeland security). It takes significant time to process such applications and when they see someone is in removal proceedings and claiming asylum as well it certainly raises the eyebrows of the USCIS and gets them to look very closely at the applications for fraud. They will have to go in for separate interviews, have notarized proof of all of Greta's past marriages and divorces, affidavits from family/friends, etc...

What kind of cracks me up is now that they know Kiwis are paying attention they may just spill their guts about everything because they will be made to understand the extreme consequences for any lies or failing to report certain matters that may not be flattering to their case. (Failure to report is as bad as lying and means automatic denial and no second chance.)

Also, getting your greencard approved (I-130) doesn't do you any good if you can't get your I-485 approved too (the one that allows you to stay in the country to adjust your status). It's a cluster fuck and a pain in the ass. Watching these two loons have to behave as responsible adults and follow the rules is going to be fun to observe. I noticed Greta is already screeching because she missed her visit due to her own damn fault - but blamed ICE. I can't wait to watch the fallout when they see what immigration has in store for them over the next year or two. She will bitterly scream discrimination and it will be total bullshit.

Immigration is equally difficult and complex for everyone. It was a difficult, long, stressful, expensive process for a straight, white couple (one from a western english speaking ally) like myself and my husband as it will be for a troon marriage with one spouse from India. No one gets special treatment or exceptions to rules from immigration, everyone gets bullshit, difficulties and stress.

They are like the DMVx1000 and they have super god like powers that can remove your spouse from the country permanently if you fuck up the paperwork or fuck around. They were the worst bureaucracy I ever dealt with, by far, and a lot of it was because they deal with people who really have no rights because they aren't citizens. Unlike many govt. agencies they don't have to worry about angry taxpayers demanding reforms, just scared immigrants who will do anything not to piss them off or invoke their wrath - if they clients try to rabble rouse they will just deny and deport them. Not to mention they have to deal with a ton of fraud and assholes trying to abuse the system. Honestly I was AMAZED at the patience IJ showed in the courtroom to people and how helpful they were at times. Seriously, I would probably become a stone cold nazi if I had to watch that kind of BS and abuse in and out each day, but every IJ I saw was a total professional who treated everyone respectfully.

(Also, as my husband reminded me, moral character is quite relevant in these cases. Too bad it's Greta that wins the prize for scumbag of the year, Nina just seems to be yet another young, sexually confused boy Greta has taken extreme advantage of. )

 

[repentance]

I wonder if the three people who found Greta missing her visit with Nina amusing are now on her shitlist.

Okay that's cool that you made it to the Taco Bell on time, what about Niraj though

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Of course Nina knows the visiting hours better than the detention centre staff. ::rolleyes::

Also, I was under the impression that the only people who have virtually unlimited visiting access to detainees are their lawyers. Is it normal for a spouse/family to be allowed daily visits in ICE detention centres, because it sure as shit isn't here.

I wonder what time Greta rocked up.

 

[RP 520]

Why am I not surprised that a mere accusation of "trolling' is enough for the faithful to block someone without asking Greta what was said or where?

It's the "listen and believe" mentality so rampant among these types. If you question anything you're shut down and out. If the leader (in this case Greta) says someone is a kf-troll, then their a kf-troll and if you question it then you're in leagues with that person and probably a kf-troll yourself.

 

[repentance]

It's the "listen and believe" mentality so rampant among these types. If you question anything you're shut down and out. If the leader (in this case Greta) says someone is a kf-troll, then their a kf-troll and if you question it then you're in leagues with that person and probably a kf-troll yourself.

An interesting turn.

Google tells me that Debra Grace Peri is indeed a trans activist of the full on SJW type - which makes her being critical of TLL interesting.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Well at least he had the time to be ballin at the motel 8.

Ballin with whom, though? ()

If anything the comment after that is more trollish, but Greta doesn't ask about that person. I tend to agree that it's about Greta purging her own friends list of doubters, but also about getting her followers to purge their lists of people who aren't 100% faithful Greta groupies. She doesn't want to risk being asked awkward questions in non-public posts right now.

This is the kind of thing that can backfire badly, though. If you suddenly start declaring lots of previously loyal followers to be trolls, maybe some will believe you, but others will start asking the very questions you don't want being asked. So you unperson them, and that in turn creates more doubters. You wind up with a chain reaction where the only people on your side are yes-men who'll happily let you walk over a cliff as long as it was your idea.

Remember, Greta getting drunk and oversleeping her visitation with about-to-be-exported Child Bride IS THE FAULT OF ICE THOSE FASCIST RACISTS! Greta has a pathological aversion towards personal responsibility.
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Well I mean, if you break the law, you are by definition a criminal.

Okay that's cool that you made it to the Taco Bell on time, what about Niraj though

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I love the way she describes it as "lying," like they were deliberately trying to catch her out or something. Probably they had different hours on New Year's Day and the website had been overlooked - it happens. Or more likely, Greta's lying.

 

[Marvin]

So, on the general TLL front, this GenderCoping twitter account seems interesting. I suspect they're a former transperson who has since detransitioned. They claim they were involved with TLL early on and that TLL is incredibly negligent in screening sex predators. That is to say, they don't do it at all, as a matter of policy.

If true, this is seriously disturbing, considering that there are probably plenty of teenagers wondering if they're trans (thanks tumblr!) calling in to blubber about shit. There's the issue of Jaden as well.

An interesting turn.

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Google tells me that Debra Grace Peri is indeed a trans activist of the full on SJW type - which makes her being critical of TLL interesting.

Heh, someone is asking questions. I love it.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

These scammy assholes are just straight up lying propagandists.

Being here illegally for two years after your work visa expired and thinking that submitting the paper work for a marriage visa was too much of a hassle to deal with, has nothing to do with gender markers or troon discrimination. People's lack of fact checking before sharing never ceases to depress me (on the right and the left).