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[Paul Ryan]

Why is it so hard to host an imageboard site without endlessly shitting your pants? If you can get past the knowledge/skills hurdle, that is.

It seems easy to me.

Spoiler

1. If anyone posts CP, put their IP address, user agent string, and anything else you can glean on a ban page along with their non-image/link posting history - crowdsource the investigation. Ditto for low quality posters and spammers. Also have an auto-reporting form for jannies to fill out that automatically sends an email with a zip file of the content to whatever the correct authority is.
2. No images or videos for VPNs or Tor posters.
3. Proof of work (mine crypto for me) to post.
4. No porn boards.
5. Straight White Male Shitlords only as mods/jannies, and each one can only staff specific boards.
6. Mods/jannies get a piece of the profit from whatever boards they cover.
7. Slowdown mode during spamming incidents.

 

[Punished Magician]

put their IP address, user agent string, and anything else you can glean on a ban page along with their non-image/link posting history - crowdsource the investigation

Wow, all 0 of their other posts will be there for everyone to read! Do you think serial ban-evaders will have a bunch of history on whatever IP you caught them on? No, they started using that IP just to post the illegal shit and they have dozens–hundreds more to cycle to for the next time. Their home network probably isn't even actuslly banned. And guess what, next time they're going to fake activity for a few days and sprinkle in a few "clues" leading to some random internet user that they don't like so that people will go after them. It's like people making socks named after their enemies for the Easy-to-Track Username Hall of Shame, but this time the pretext will be that the user in question is a pedophile, coupled with enough "proof" to convince the masses that it holds up to scrutiny (because people never think about these things), which would make it an even more valuable tool to abuse.

And if it's ever intuited (or outright stated) that posts containing any kind of links or images are automatically excluded from this exposure, then people will pre-emptively start putting random youtube links or pointless reaction images in every single post they make to avoid this, especially in regards to your next comment... and if you're so dead-set on it that you decide to just choose the posts manually, congrats, you've just created more work for yourself that doesn't actually accomplish anything anyway.

Ditto for low quality posters and spammers.

Congrats on poisoning the well on anonymity on your site forever and permanently kneecapping its activity, as well as trust in its moderation. Who even decides "low-quality posters"? This is inherently subjective, making avoiding personal biases and power trips coloring the execution impossible.

Also have an auto-reporting form for jannies to fill out that automatically sends an email with a zip file of the content to whatever the correct authority is.

Congrats retard, you just implicated yourself! The only kind of reporting you did was self-reporting. Laws on CSAM are extremely strict and this is why random internet idea guys don't decide how sites handle it.

3. Proof of work (mine crypto for me) to post.

If you actually use this to mine cryptocurrency for yourself your site will be (likely permanently) blacklisted by every antivirus and probably a couple of mainstream browsers.

6. Mods/jannies get a piece of the profit from whatever boards they cover.

This does not incentivise increasing the quality of discussion, even indirectly. The only incentive this creates is mods/jannies to make it as palatable to 'the masses' as possible and to import as many users as they can.

7. Slowdown mode during spamming incidents.

The spammers would love this. Now the impact of their spam can be felt even greater than before, and no amount of filters or willpower to ignore it can save any subset of the userbase now. They'll start spamming just enough to trigger it on purpose as often as possible, and sit back contentedly knowing they don't even have to keep spamming to annoy people until whatever interval of time you decide to turn it off.

It seems easy to me.

Nevermind, guess I can't argue with that. Go get 'em, champ!

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I swear, half of this thread these days is just underage shartyfags vomiting gibberish about things they're years late to noticing, or dumb idea guy bullshit about how to fix the site that would crater activity (and not in a good way) if it was ever actually implemented.

Are you people lactose intolerant or something? This is a thread about one of the greatest dairy farms on the internet, and yet there's not a drop of milk anywhere in sight. Here's (a) a post claiming that the gangstalkers are making anon shit oranges all over the floor.

 

[seri0us]

The only kind of reporting you did was self-reporting. Laws on CSAM are extremely strict and this is why random internet idea guys don't decide how sites handle it.

How would you even properly report it if a pedophile starting shitting up your site?

 

[Paul Ryan]

Wow, all 0 of their other posts will be there for everyone to read! Do you think serial ban-evaders will have a bunch of history on whatever IP you caught them on? No, they started using that IP just to post the illegal shit and they have dozens–hundreds more to cycle to for the next time. Their home network probably isn't even actuslly banned. And guess what, next time they're going to fake activity for a few days and sprinkle in a few "clues" leading to some random internet user that they don't like so that people will go after them. It's like people making socks named after their enemies for the Easy-to-Track Username Hall of Shame, but this time the pretext will be that the user in question is a pedophile, coupled with enough "proof" to convince the masses that it holds up to scrutiny (because people never think about these things), which would make it an even more valuable tool to abuse.

And if it's ever intuited (or outright stated) that posts containing any kind of links or images are automatically excluded from this exposure, then people will pre-emptively start putting random youtube links or pointless reaction images in every single post they make to avoid this, especially in regards to your next comment... and if you're so dead-set on it that you decide to just choose the posts manually, congrats, you've just created more work for yourself that doesn't actually accomplish anything anyway.

Yes, I do - because they're retarded.

Congrats on poisoning the well on anonymity on your site forever and permanently kneecapping its activity, as well as trust in its moderation. Who even decides "low-quality posters"? This is inherently subjective, making avoiding personal biases and power trips coloring the execution impossible.

Do you think the log-poster guy on /b/ is high quality?

Congrats retard, you just implicated yourself! The only kind of reporting you did was self-reporting. Laws on CSAM are extremely strict and this is why random internet idea guys don't decide how sites handle it.

How is reporting someone posting child porn self-implication? Do you oppose reporting propagation of CP to the cops? Do you have anything else you want to tell us?

If you actually use this to mine cryptocurrency for yourself your site will be (likely permanently) blacklisted by every antivirus and probably a couple of mainstream browsers.

There is no other solution to funding imageboards. I know that you are stridently opposed to anyone ever doing anything, but other people disagree. Weird, I know!

If someone blocks the miner, they don't post. Simple as.

This does not incentivise increasing the quality of discussion, even indirectly. The only incentive this creates is mods/jannies to make it as palatable to 'the masses' as possible and to import as many users as they can.

This incentivizes staff to increase engagement. This is best done by removing bad posts, and leaving good posters alone.

he spammers would love this. Now the impact of their spam can be felt even greater than before, and no amount of filters or willpower to ignore it can save any subset of the userbase now. They'll start spamming just enough to trigger it on purpose as often as possible, and sit back contentedly knowing they don't even have to keep spamming to annoy people until whatever interval of time you decide to turn it off.

Who cares? They're making me money.

Nevermind, guess I can't argue with that. Go get 'em, champ!

This whole millennial affectation where they try to be maximally depressed about everything, and then piss their pants when someone else disagrees with them is incredibly gay.

 

[Punished Magician]

How would you even properly report it if a pedophile starting shitting up your site?

The way things happen behind the scenes in regards to this isn't exactly transparent, but off of the top of my head I can think of multiple ways that don't involve saving and repackaging the material and then sending it in a way that also saves it to both the inbound and outbound email servers, making them objectively better than the .zip email suggestion (even if they still suck). For example, reporting the hash of the content posted so that the authorities can compare it against their database... actually, most large platforms have multiple automated systems provided by third parties (which they're stingy about giving out to just anyone, due to the potential for abuse) that compare the content against their databases in a variety of ways, specifically designed so that any data they capture is simultaneously

1. Descriptive enough that they can be sure the content it's derived from matches something from their database, and which one
2. Processed to a point that it is no longer feasably possible to reverse-engineer it into the original content, meaning that the resulting data cannot count as a copy of the image, and will cause no legal liabilities from handling it.

As well as that, there are definitely direct channels with relevant organizations to make the process smoother for those big platforms.

Here's an article about one of the more rudimentary methods and its flaws.

 

[Paul Ryan]

The way things happen behind the scenes in regards to this isn't exactly transparent, but off of the top of my head I can think of multiple ways that don't involve saving and repackaging the material and then sending it in a way that also saves it to both the inbound and outbound email servers, making them objectively better than the .zip email suggestion (even if they still suck). For example, reporting the hash of the content posted so that the authorities can compare it against their database... actually, most large platforms have multiple automated systems provided by third parties (which they're stingy about giving out to just anyone, due to the potential for abuse) that compare the content against their databases in a variety of ways, specifically designed so that any data they capture is simultaneously

1. Descriptive enough that they can be sure the content it's derived from matches something from their database, and which one
2. Processed to a point that it is no longer feasably possible to reverse-engineer it into the original content, meaning that the resulting data cannot count as a copy of the image, and will cause no legal liabilities from handling it.

As well as that, there are definitely direct channels with relevant organizations to make the process smoother for those big platforms.

Here's an article about one of the more rudimentary methods and its flaws.

You're acting like the act of sending the content in a compressed form (that isn't obvious via packet inspection) to law enforcement for the purpose of a police investigation is the same as reposting it on facebook. This is nonsensical. Please stop being emotional and instead react to the arguments I actually make, not the ones you hear in your head.

 

[Samhain]

Anyone who says "running an imageboard should be easy" has never tried running an imageboard. You're either running a dead imageboard nobody posts on, or you're getting spammed with all kinds of bullshit (including CP) as soon as enough people notice your board.

Imageboards are essentially a dead concept. Moderating them is a nightmare because they tend to attract some of the worst kinds of people, and normal people find them confusing. Chat apps and forum software with robust moderation tools make keeping out spammers and other kinds of troublemakers much more feasible.

"But my anonymity!!!" You don't have any real anonymity on the internet. Accept that and move on.

 

[Paul Ryan]

Anyone who says "running an imageboard should be easy" has never tried running an imageboard. You're either running a dead imageboard nobody posts on, or you're getting spammed with all kinds of bullshit (including CP) as soon as enough people notice your board.

Again:
> Disallow archives (including epubs), scan file headers/footers, then remove metadata and stenographically concatenated files.
> Use a software stack that is as small and performant as possible.
> As I said earlier, disallow file uploads and linking for Tor and VPN posters.
> Add more metadata stickers besides flags and IDs to all posts. Nation flag, region flag/text based on IP, phone or desktop, OS, and other things to allow users to more easily spot patterns.
> If as you said there is software that automatically detects CP (and gore, porn, or gross content) - I assume based on file hashing, file size, and maybe AI image identification - then use it to scan uploads before they are posted. Obviously people could just edit images manually (or if they're technically inclined, automatically) to vary this, but the venn diagram of people adept in using ImageMagick and child porn aficionados is a a tiny sliver. This - along with making their non-media-upload posting history visible to users, including metadata - is the sort of stuff that autists here on Kiwi Farms use to dox people. I've observed people doxed here due to their sleep schedule, divined from their posting times. You dramatically underestimate the power of autism, which is ironic given where you are. If nothing else it will provide fodder for public investigation projects.

Moderating them is a nightmare because they tend to attract some of the worst kinds of people, and normal people find them confusing. Chat apps and forum software with robust moderation tools make keeping out spammers and other kinds of troublemakers much more feasible.

I don't give a single shit what normal people think of image boards. Allowing them on the internet made it worse in every way. I can see the value in making an imageboard compatible with KurobataEx or making an app, but other than that I don't care. If you want to appeal to normies, make Instagram, Tiktok, or Twitter.

Though if you really want to catch these people as well as tranny groomers, then you need to set up something like an explicitly leftist furry porn site (which nonetheless considers itself "centrist", in the reddit style), make a lot of claims that it is encrypted and use open source software, then give state and local law enforcement backend access. Don't give the feds access because they'll probably just make them paid informants and refuse to arrest them. Sometimes I think about how thoroughly our enemies would be crippled if like 60,000 gay furry zoophile pedophiles were all arrested and sentenced to 15 year prison sentences at once. That's a lot of community organizers.

Either that or infiltrate the booru porn sites as a staff member and developer.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I always thought there was a neat solution to CP spammers: Not only permaban their IP, but make all of their info you have at your disposal public. Hopefully, this will end with them either getting doxxed , doxxed and arrested or doxxed and killed. Fuck around, find out.
Of course, you would have to find an admin who wouldn't abuse their power to do this to everyone that pissed them off, only those breaking the US law.

 

[seri0us]

Not only permaban their IP, but make all of their info you have at your disposal public. Hopefully, this will end with them either getting doxxed , doxxed and arrested or doxxed and killed.

Amazing solution instead of reporting it to the police or any actual law enforcement, Internet personal armies always go well and I'm sure none of the pedophiles will use this to impersonate someone they don't like in hopes of ruining said person's life.

 

[CEO of Autism]

I always thought there was a neat solution to CP spammers: Not only permaban their IP, but make all of their info you have at your disposal public. Hopefully, this will end with them either getting doxxed , doxxed and arrested or doxxed and killed. Fuck around, find out.

Good luck, they're behind seven proxies.

The anonymous imageboard concept has no future, it's way too easy to destroy via usual fed tactics. A textboard is more resilient but looks like people don't care about text-only sites. Even chats now need all the bells and whistles to attract people.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Amazing solution instead of reporting it to the police or any actual law enforcement, Internet personal armies always go well and I'm sure none of the pedophiles will use this to impersonate someone they don't like in hopes of ruining said person's life.

Reporting random internet pedos on the internet doesn't work, even if there is undeniable proof they posted and are in possession of illegal material. Just ask goonclown.
At least if you have their info, there is a chance some vigilante or some psycho from the sharty will have some fun with them.

Good luck, they're behind seven proxies.

Correct, but if you have even a few pieces of their information, with enough time and autism you can find more out about them. I doubt there is that many CP spammers around, at least those that are on imageboards, so eventually you will see some overlap if they keep getting banned on the same site. Not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

 

[Gondolindrim]

/co/ is shill central. You can tell because anytime someone makes a thread talking bad about certain "content creators" all the replies get weirdly defensive.

 

[Colon capital V]

/co/ is shill central. You can tell because anytime someone makes a thread talking bad about certain "content creators" all the replies get weirdly defensive.
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Second reply implies OP ever makes any content.

 

[AnOminous]

Reporting random internet pedos on the internet doesn't work, even if there is undeniable proof they posted and are in possession of illegal material. Just ask goonclown.

Or Nathan Larson, who openly advocated for pedophilia and child porn and ran boards under his own name promoting such material.

Despite doing this for years and being constantly reported, it took kidnapping a 12 year old for anyone to bother doing anything.

(RIP in piss Larson.)

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

/co/ is shill central. You can tell because anytime someone makes a thread talking bad about certain "content creators" all the replies get weirdly defensive.
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fuck /co/, I remember when those autistic monkeys were unironically defending Steven Universe. Also the board has a small contingent of shotacons and lolifags

 

[CEO of Autism]

Does anybody else notice a decrease in pro lefty/tranny talk points on boards like /v/ since the election?

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Does anybody else notice a decrease in pro lefty/tranny talk points on boards like /v/ since the election?

They've just switched back to the usual MIGA demoralization porn (nigger dick posting, you're a jew, Trump's a jew, This is a jew, that's a jew, tariffs are bad because they are ok?)

 

[Gondolindrim]

fuck /co/, I remember when those autistic monkeys were unironically defending Steven Universe. Also the board has a small contingent of shotacons and lolifags

Small?

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Small?

Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough, but those sickos are definitely there