Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[The Lawgiver]

If they make a Rey trilogy

The sequels were already that though?

 

[Screamer_2]

The sequels were already that though?

I guess so, but they shouldn't have been.

I don't dislike Rey or Daisy, I just don't think they left any solid ground for a story. An actress in her 30s being the Kenobi of more films is just lame. Wait a couple of decades.

They should also just forget about the notion of trilogies or more episodes. That in itself has to be limiting in what they could do. Forget about genorational, galactic struggles. Just do a film of Rey being a badass Jedi on a mission. The Raid with a Jedi. Jedi Wick. Just go for entertainment and cool.

If they go the Kenobi route, Rey has no authority as a Jedi or mentor. We also know it's more likely or not her main student will be female. It's more likely than not they will not be white.

My gut makes me think Asian and because they're racist they'll throw in martial arts Jedi stuff. Although a safe bet is that Finn and Jannah (I googled) have a daughter that Rey trains.

 

[Mob Boss Barbie]

Does anyone actually like Rey to a point of enjoyment and not just indifference or tepid acceptance? I couldn't tell you a thing about her as a person so to speak, only the purpose her character severed. I think she's so damn disappointing because they just squandered her. Han and Leia's kid? Nope, that's Captain Complaint. A true nobody so we can finally put this all powerful bloodline stuff to rest? Nope, but at least Palpatine didn't have sex (I hope?). Could she be a supporting character and the defecting stormtrooper is force sensitive? Nope, he's black and we can't sell that in China, also that is interesting and not a rehash of A New Hope, which we can't have.

Rey is an audience insert. How are you going to have an audience insert carry a trilogy after you killed off all the nostalgia you used to bait your self-inserting audience?

 

[Sneedmiser]

but at least Palpatine didn't have sex (I hope?)

No he still did, it just didn't result in her. He still piped down Sly Moore in canon.

Rey is an audience insert. How are you going to have an audience insert carry a trilogy after you killed off all the nostalgia you used to bait your self-inserting audience?

She's not an audience insert, she's an Executive Producer insert. Namely, Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert. Padme was a character girls in the audience could self-insert as, Rey is just the young, athletic, horse-faced British girl Kathleen Kennedy wishes she was.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

If this Rey trilogy gets made, which is about as likely as a black man being front and center of a Disney movie poster in China, you fucking know that Rey's human students will be all female and the only males will be aliens. Did anyone see the Andor season 2 trailer? What's the over/under on how many cameos there will be? Can Filoni resist not shoving Ahsoka or Omega in it?

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I cannot believe that KK is evil enough and incompetent enough to just not pack her bags with her ill gotten untold millions. Ego and vindictiveness are fascinating things.

In her position, I'd have retired years ago and lived it up on some beach. No, her only desire is to debase George's creation to the point where it will never recover.

Sometimes I legitimately think Lucas did something to her when she was his subordinate, either intentionally or accidentally, so she sloooowly worked her way up the ladder so she could be in charge of Lucasfilm when The Mouse came calling, and she now had the power to ruin his pride and joy…

 

[Commander X]

Being in Star Wars didn't do much for Ridley's career, did it. It was her major introduction to American audiences, and she was just the latest Kiera Knightley Lite-import from the UK they attempted to introduce to America.

The original Kiera Knightley Lite actress was Knightley herself, of course.

 

[Mob Boss Barbie]

No he still did, it just didn't result in her. He still piped down Sly Moore in canon.

Thanks, I had blocked that out of my memory, I don't think I'll sleep tonight.

Rey is just the young, athletic, horse-faced British girl Kathleen Kennedy wishes she was.

I know we say this a lot but Christ, Kathy, she's got the appeal of a wooden plank, the least you could have done was make her less 1:1 in the likeability department.

Being in Star Wars didn't do much for Ridley's career, did it.

I think the curse goes that only one of the main young actors goes on to have a reasonable career. Ford in the OT, Portman in the PT, and Driver in the ST. All three had prior acting chops, though if I'm remembering correctly being in Star Wars nearly killed Portman's career.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I think the curse goes that only one of the main young actors goes on to have a reasonable career. Ford in the OT, Portman in the PT, and Driver in the ST. All three had prior acting chops, though if I'm remembering correctly being in Star Wars nearly killed Portman's career.

I mean, all three of the OT main actors went on to have good careers. Carrie Fisher was a "script doctor" for many movies in Hollywood and helped George out with the Prequels while Mark Hamill gave us the definitive Joker performance (among countless other VA roles). Harrison Ford is just the one that wound up becoming a proper Movie Star like you'd think of.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Kiera Knightley

Who was also in Star Wars

Also would Kelsey Grammer be a good voice for Darth Plagious?

 

[Ghostse]

That is normal, what isnt normal is the quantity is announced them cancelled projects. That isnt a sign of good studio health and leadership.

I don't think they're much higher than any other studio. The only difference is you are hearing about them because Star Wars was involved. If this was any property except maybe Harry Potter they would be a totally ignored 4-liner in Variety.

Also would Kelsey Grammer be a good voice for Darth Plagious?

not any more. Back in the day maybe, I think the only thing that would against him would be his voice being too well known from other roles.

 

[robobobo]

To be fair to Rey, Luke was also just a yokel from a desert planet. The difference is that Luke got a proper build-up from being a scrappy kid completely over his head, to middling competent (but schooled like a bitch when up against ol' dad), to an actual sorta-Jedi. Rey skipped that whole thing and was at Return of the Jedi Luke's level by the end of the first movie, without so much as having had a conversation with a Jedi. They were in such a rush to make her a girlboss that the audience didn't get to see any sort of growth in her, so nobody got at all invested in her.

 

[Adam Basile Woodrow]

nice to see that Disney has learned nothing

 

[Weltraumfürst]

I don't think they're much higher than any other studio. The only difference is you are hearing about them because Star Wars was involved. If this was any property except maybe Harry Potter they would be a totally ignored 4-liner in Variety.

I won't go into too much PLing, but I know for a fact that a WH40K movie was at least being considered back in 2016 because a director I worked with at that time was a possible directing candidate. They scrapped that idea before it even came to pre-production. Many such cases. Normally, you don't hear about movies until they at least reach the pre-production stage.

Mind you, I have literally nothing to back that up since it was basically hearsay, so take it as the ramblings of an internet schizo.

 

[Male Idiot]

Why does it bother you so much that there are things in Star Wars that surpass 40K? 40K isn't the world, you know. Star Wars wasn't competing with them during the late 90s and early 2000s; they were competing with things like western capeshit and anime, which had characters like Goku and Superman who can literally destroy entire planets.

It is just a convenient comparison. Star Trek doesn't have comparable powerscaling, no mages etc.

I said I had a problem with Palpatine getting OP powers, because it fucks with the films.

I never said anything about Nihilus, Naga something or Vitiate who are all capable of destroying a planet and in fact did. They were comfortably out in the timeline that their power didn't impact the movies.

And yes, 40k's Emperor could do the same, Vitiate in his form as Valkorion is very much like him. Just less roids and more success with women.

To make it 40k, it would be like making Creed have primarch powers, or to Star Trek it, making Kirk half Q. Which was done with Sisko and it was pretty silly.

The problem is not the power, but adding in power to a completed character that the character could have used but did not use, because it was written later.

So like making Obiwan be immune to decapitation. Why he didn't use it against Vader? Insert Critical drinker fart noises.

Capeshit is just retarded so I don't know about that.

I won't go into too much PLing, but I know for a fact that a WH40K movie was at least being considered back in 2016 because a director I worked with at that time was a possible directing candidate. They scrapped that idea before it even came to pre-production. Many such cases. Normally, you don't hear about movies until they at least reach the pre-production stage.

Mind you, I have literally nothing to back that up since it was basically hearsay, so take it as the ramblings of an internet schizo.

Wasn't there the Ultramarine movie and it was bad?

 

[Weltraumfürst]

Wasn't there the Ultramarine movie and it was bad?

No idea, never watched it. Didn't that have John Hurt in it?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Who was also in Star Wars

Also would Kelsey Grammer be a good voice for Darth Plagious?

In 1988, yes
Now it would be impossible to unhear Darth Sideshow Bob or Darth Frasier

 

[Judge Holden]

Does anyone actually like Rey to a point of enjoyment and not just indifference or tepid acceptance? I couldn't tell you a thing about her as a person so to speak, only the purpose her character severed.

I mentioned this a couple weeks back but her casting in the role of "badass and hardened desert nomad survivor/scavenger" was an absolute fucking joke. She didnt have the face for it, the build for it, and especially not the screen presence for it. If anything she would be far better suited (i.e. passable) in a Padme "Sheltered aristocrat with a badass streak" style role, though frankly Portman was infinitely better and more convincing as such a character and I aint speaking from rose tinted prequel nostalgia here.

Its not because she is a woman, its because she is a freakin palid stringbean with an accent that sounds like she just finished giving her Cambridge philosophy lecturer a blumpkin for extra credit so that daddy doesnt take away her seventeenth pony.

As for who they could have cast I have no idea, and have little desire to check out what up and coming actresses in their early 20s were available back in 2012-2014 but someone capable of developing basic musculature would have been a start and the lack of a plank face would have been a bonus.

Worse, the characterisation of "badass and hardened desert nomad survivor/scavenger" was utterly flubbed, and she is written like a bored teenage girl waiting for her parents to pick her up after sportsball practice until she randomly discovers she is the bestest and most amazingest person in the universe who can beat up everyone else.

I am not saying she had to be female Mad Max in space but......actually fuck it yes I am saying that. And as I have sperged before, if Kathleen wanted her to be some super duper better-than-anakin prodigy then have her be the one with Kylo Ren's janky looking lightsaber with the explanation being she built it out of random shit (ya know...because she is scavanger not a tourist who just hangs out in a derelict AT-AT) and have her character be something of a "what if Anakin was never found by the Jedi and had to figure shit out by himself once Shimmy died and Watto was hunted down by Hamas" hypothetical with a whole bunch of raw force talent and even greater potential, but jack shit training and barely any control.

 

[Male Idiot]

Oy vey, we must not let Watto be shoahed by sandpeople hamas!

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

because she is a woman, its because she is a freakin palid stringbean w

I think skinny wasn't so much an issue, not a lot of donuts to scavenge in old star destroyers probably
But yeah def needed a lot grubbier
Hell if anything they could have done the "gosh she's actually pretty whaaaa?" thing they were supposed to try with the Viet chick