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A new Silent Night Deadly Night remake has been announced and by the producers of the Terrifier franchise:

I do not have high hopes for this remake. First, the Terrifier crew do not impress me as filmmakers, I think their movies so far have been mediocre at best. Secondly, it seems like SLDN is as cursed as Black Christmas - nobody seems able to get their shit together enough to do a remake that works. Which is a huge mystery to me, because it isn't a complex film concept and should be easy to execute but every attempt has failed to be a commercial success.
 
For the most part, nothing interesting or worth watching, with some few exceptions, has been done with remakes, reboots, etc. in general for decades. Most of them are lurching Frankenstein's Monsters stitched together from callbacks and memberberries references, and boring filler. If someone makes a remake that actually has something, anything to it, it's a minor miracle.
 
Secondly, it seems like SLDN is as cursed as Black Christmas - nobody seems able to get their shit together enough to do a remake that works.
There's only been the one remake and I wouldn't say it was bad 'per se' but just misguided. It's not even the worst SNDN movie which is still part 3. Also, the fact that producers of the Terrifier franchise wanted to set part 3 during Xmas and their first big announcement for new projects is an SNDN remake fills me with some confidence that they love the franchise.

Silent Night Deadly Night has always been underrated as a franchise. The sequels are fun and the original works as a Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer kind of serial killer origin movie at least up until the point where the guy puts on the Santa costume and starts screaming "PUNISH!"
 
For no reason at all, I sat down the other night and watched Maximum Overdrive (1986), the only film written and directed by Stephen King. It's a loose adaptation of his short story "Trucks" where all vehicles on Earth become sentient and start to kill people. Perhaps not his best piece of literature, but it actually works because he plays it straight.

Maximum Overdrive wisely does not play it straight. King, who was high on probably cocaine for most of the film (he remembers very little of the production) recognized the idea was too silly for a serious horror film, so he went full-on stupid, dark comedy. In this version, the stakes are raised so that all electronics and machines on Earth also becoming sentient (including machines that merely insult people because they can't physically do anything). The North Carolinian cast of characters, most of them the type of people who take great amusement in farting and flicking boogers at each other, become barricaded in a gas station diner and bicker with each other as the machines wait them out and pick them off when they try to escape. What's causing this, and will it ever end?

This is what people mean by a "good bad" movie. It's bloody, but it's the fun kind of bloody you cheer at. There are genuinely impressive special effects (lots of full vehicles were converted to be remotely controlled, and stunt men really earned their paychecks) right next to hilariously cheapo shots (example: an evil vending machine firing soda at kids which is literally just someone throwing cans at them from offscreen). One of the characters has a cache of military-grade weaponry for no reason, so that all eventually comes into play because movie. Fucking AC/DC does the soundtrack, and it's as bombastic as you imagine it would have to be. A young Giancarlo Esposito shows up early in the film to deliver one line ("Your mama!") before being electrocuted by an arcade cabinet. It's great stuff.

And the cast! As sometimes happens when you watch older movies, every other person seems to be a great character actor you recognize and appreciate. Emilio Estevez and Laura Harrington as the young leads are probably the most normal (read: flat) characters in the movie, but the large cast is filled with entertaining, over-the-top performances, and they are all handled well for a silly story like this one. Pat Hingle is especially memorable as the cartoonishly evil, cigar-chomping owner of the gas station, and Ellen McElduff is great as a waitress who eventually cracks and starts screaming at the cars outside, "We made you! We made you!!!"

My only real complaint is the ending sucks. Supposedly King originally wanted the entire town to explode, but they couldn't afford it, so the good guys (what's left of them) just get away after a symbolic victory over an evil 18-wheeler. But this movie is schlocky trash anyway, so I don't know why that would be a deal breaker.

Highly recommended if you like self-aware garbage!

 
I’m sure there’s mixed opinions here on the Terrifier movies, but the fandom is full of fucking freaks.
Or they’re a loud minority, but there’s something wrong with these people.
I guess it’s just people who are wayyy to into slashers and blood and dead women.

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The Terrifier franchise is maybe the only horror franchise that earns a pass in that it makes next to no sense when you take a moment to think about what you're seeing. But hey, you could argue that the director is paying homage to his Eyetalian origins and keeping with tradition.

Argento's Suspiria and Inferno are good examples of adding backstory and explanation later on. If you look at just the original then not very much is explained. We just know there's this dance hall ran by witches who are killing and/or sacrificing people either out of pure malice or to preserve the secret that it's ran by witches. Inferno gave us the back story of the 3 mothers, the buildings were constructed by an architect with ties to Freemasonry/Illuminati shit, and the goal of the witches is to spread horror and misery and kill the world that way. All of which is fine. But this was all explained in movie 2 in Argento's trilogy, we are now movie 4 in the Terrifier franchise and we still have more questions than answers.

All Hallow's Eve/Short films: this is debatable just how cannon exactly it is due to it being an anthology movie and Art's role being ambiguous. And deliberately so. The 2nd segment (and the worst segment of the movie with a scuba diving suit somehow is supposed to look like an alien) hints at supernatural shit with the work of art of Art but the movie never really confirms it.

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TBH I consider just the short film version of Terrifier to be cannon. Unlike SOME people.

Then Terrifier (2016) happens which adds the supernatural lore to the character but it's done ambiguously enough. Surprise, Art is a demi-god after shooting himself in the head during a police stand off. It's a great little twist and serves it's purpose but by the end we kind of forget about the final girl going insane and murdering a journo (justifiable homicide of course). The conclusion with Victoria is ambiguous enough in the first movie where you can say she simply went insane and okay, that's fair. But then...

Terrifier 2 (2022): the most cluster-fucked of all the movies when it comes to the plot. The writer/director decides to answer our questions with even more questions:

What is Art's motive? Answer: No reason, he does it for the lulz.

Why does Art only go on a killing spree once a year (preferably Halloween)? Not explained.

How is Art a demi-god and what is his connection to Vicky? Answer: Not explained until movie 3 and we get a quick line that he's a demon possessing a human.

How can Art regenerate himself via Vicky's cunt? Does he need a human host to do this? What happens if there's no living host, is it like Jason Goes to Hell and a spermworm of Art crawls into Vicky's dead cunt and emerges in full clown regalia?

Why is it called Terrifier? Answer: it's a reference to an amusement park ride with the same name where a little girl -presumably the little pale girl- was murdered by Art (?) or something. What is the significance of the theme park ride? Not explained.

What is Art's connection to this family, why did the father have visions of Art and then kill himself? Not explained.

Why can Sienna kill him? How did this random sword you'd find at a pawn shop have this mystical ability to kill demons? Not explained.

All of which, made it a frustrating first watch because while I enjoy 2 it is a bit overlong and it feels like it was made to be longer just to add these confusing elements to the story.

Terrifier 3 (2024): We get some answers but not nearly enough. We now know Art is a demon possessing a human and presumably Vicky as well? How did Vicky get possessed? Not explained.

Why is Art now going on a killing spree during Xmas? No reason.

How is Art able to travel cross-country to find this family? No reason.

Why did the gateway to Hell suddenly open and take the little girl? No reason.

Why did Sienna act like a retard and hold the sword by the blade and offered the handle to the little girl instead of grabbing literally anything around her to properly lift her out of... The gateway to Hell. NO. REASON.

Plus there's more questions like have the feds noticed Art yet? How did a terrorist attack go off in a mall slaughtering a dozen kids and there's no terror alert, lock downs, police and feds everywhere? This isn't a nitpick but I'm just saying that the filmmakers are fully justified taking this into Jason Goes to Hell territory with the feds going after Art. The next movie needs to have a Ben Tramer moment where cops waste a look-alike Art and the country bans clown makeup as a reaction.

That all said, the movies are still highly entertaining but you have to look at them like Friday the 13th part 2 in that there's no reason given why Jason is still alive and fully grown adult who has superhuman retard strength who is constantly and conveniently somehow resurrected.

Also, to theory-fag, my take is that Art is some kind of prank demon or an ultra-violent interpretation of mischief night. Because if you notice almost every time before he kills he has to do some kind of prank or humiliation shit to his victims.
 
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That all said, the movies are still highly entertaining but you have to look at them like Friday the 13th part 2 in that there's no reason given why Jason is still alive and fully grown adult who has superhuman retard strength who is constantly and conveniently somehow resurrected.
That's pretty much the mindset I take with most slasher villains even though some of the iconic characters are getting watered down.

Blumhouse wanted to have its cake and eat it to by Michael Myers be an unstoppable force of evil yet he was not powered by a druid cult and is somehow weakened in the Ends before being defeated in an anticlimactic way.

Chucky can now transfer his soul to other Good Guy dolls or people and they're independent of one another instead of a hive mind. Also he may be a psychotic killer, but one thing Chucky is not is a bigot.
 
Art reminds me of Killjoy but with more money thrown behind it and less crack and niggers
The irony is that the original Killjoy cost more than the original Terrifier. The original Terrifier cost $30K versus Killjoy's $150K. A big reason why it looks as good as it does is that the director is a makeup guy and did all of the effects himself.
 
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The irony is that the original Killjoy cost more than the original Terrifier. The original Terrifier cost $30K versus Killjoy's $150K. A big reason why it looks as good as it does is that the director is a makeup guy and did all of the effects himself.
Yea it's impressive how much his skills improved between all hallows eve and the first terrifier but still I would have never guessed the original killjoy had a bigger budget that shit is so bad I feel like the only reason they made so many killjoy movies because they fully embraced the over the top shit and eventually broke the 4th wall and turned killjoy into a entrepreneur like public figure
 
The Creep Tapes, a TV series continuation of the Creep movies starts this month. Didn't even know it was a thing until recently. I thought the first film was okay but thought the second one was bland (more of the same of the first one but minus much of the tension since you know what to expect now). I'll give the the TV series a shot but my expectations are low.
I watched the first two episodes yesterday. The first one is very similar to the original film. He hires a guy to help him make an acting reel and it goes exactly how you'd expect. The second episode is basically twenty minutes of him tormenting a birdwatcher. I've seen reviewers say that the show is pretty much a rehash of the movies and they're not wrong, but I still thought it was entertaining to see him relentlessly fuck with people again even if the endings were predictable.
 
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I randomly decided to watch 2 movies yesterday. Alone was the first and for a newer thriller/horror type of movie it was mostly ok but some glaring plot holes made me eventually turn it off.
This lady clearly can tell someone in a green jeep is following her and she is clearly unsettled/worried about it yet neglects to mention it 2 separate times to her family before she is abducted. Which leads to the 2nd plot hole after being abducted and roughed up she manages to escape her shackles right as bad guy comes home, so she's waiting and he gets a phone call from his wife and kid, shes listening in and clearly can determine this guy is living a double life so what does she do? She waits patienly for him to finish talking to his wife and daughter before bursting out of room and trying to make an escape. I feel like im quick to overlook stuff in these movies but this was too much for me.
Which brings me to the next movie I chose to watch Trap. This movie got a ton of hate and typically I don't like M night Shamalans work. Alot of people claim he just made this to push his daughters music. Personally I found it over the top in the right ways and I feel like Josh Harnett actually did a good job it was almost as if he was trying too hard to seem normal in alot of the scenes which I found kind of realistic for a serial killer trying to compartmentalize two lives. Overall I enjoyed trap way more than alone but neither were anything that great.
 
I do not have high hopes for this remake. First, the Terrifier crew do not impress me as filmmakers, I think their movies so far have been mediocre at best. Secondly, it seems like SLDN is as cursed as Black Christmas - nobody seems able to get their shit together enough to do a remake that works. Which is a huge mystery to me, because it isn't a complex film concept and should be easy to execute but every attempt has failed to be a commercial success.
My thought as usual is just why. They already delivered what I wanted from a modern SLDN movie with Terrifier 3. If they were taking requests, it's not what I would've asked for. But, I will Trust the Plan.

The Terrifier franchise is maybe the only horror franchise that earns a pass in that it makes next to no sense when you take a moment to think about what you're seeing. But hey, you could argue that the director is paying homage to his Eyetalian origins and keeping with tradition.
I think they nailed the correct rate for the IV drip of lore. Nobody is tuning in because they just have to have these plot questions answered, but there's enough there to give the events some momentum and make the movies feel connected. I appreciate that the story is unabashedly stupid enough to have stuff glowing with magical power, and stuff like that -- real late '80s-early '90s stuff. Art is at least shown to deal with mundane regular Joe stuff like laundry and transportation. Michael and Jason were always shielded from that stuff by the script, or lack thereof. When in doubt, I'll assume that magic demons are interfering with the police radios or something.
 
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