US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[BigJoey41X]

Hey remind me how America was founded again?

America wasn't founded because one guy still wanted to be president after he lost.

Admit it, 1/6 was totally unnecessary when 2024 proved that he can actually get re-elected legitimately and not have to throw a shitfit around the capitol to get power.

 

[YellowIsACoolColor]

Yeah guys please tell us more about how pumping food with industrial grade chemicals is actually completely safe. Please give us more corporate-funded studies you found that say that petroleum based food dyes, seed oils, and corn syrup are just as good if not better for you as their natural alternatives.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Because that pizza barely lasts long enough for the waiter to take it 20 feet from the oven to your table. Those additives are mostly preservatives designed to make the food last longer, not to (directly) save money. That's also why you only find them in shelf-stable products and not in the 90% of the grocery store which is fresh foods.

I'm gonna get RFK in the cola bunker level spergy so rev up them puzzle pieces because I've lived to see the expectations and blame shift to the common man for anything and everything on the grocery shelf and freezer section slowly turning to absolute shit over decades with the assumptions made of "Well of course it's shit. It's a prepackaged meal." and "Of course it's filled with shit, it's fast food."

It wasn't always this bad. It doesn't have to keep being this bad. As we shitpost right now there are places in the world where it's very much not the case, as much as I wanna poke at euro-bros at times in good fun, their food standards in places like france/italy/germany alone dwarf ours and they don't add remotely the same amount of additives and filler as we do to their shared food chains or frozen meals either. We would be told to fuck right off if we tried to market a good ol USA made hungry man chicken dinner as is in the regions listed.

Pizza was an easy go to example because it's something that even in it's fresh home made form keeps pretty well, freezes with little issue or adulteration required in raw or cooked states, and if you go out for it in America in current year... unless it's from some bespoke hipster joint or local spot it's likely still cooked with sneed oil and packed with unnecessary additives and stabilizers with toppings laden with corn and soy fillers and corn syrup and more sneed oil before it even reaches your table.

It's also a good objective example because a basic bitch pizza from pizza hut in literally 1984 would be a borderline organic specialty pizza by today's standards. That's barely hyperbole, They had to make the pizza dough in house fresh and didn't even use vegetable oil or soybean oil yet, and if memory serves only the pan pizzas used that crappy vegetable shortening around the time. And a frozen megamart one in the freezer section even before my time just added more oil, yeast and the one tweak of baking soda to make it cook up correctly.

And as the MCsperging and shared nostalgia earlier in the thread cited, even Mcdonalds wasn't completely packed with bullshit at one point despite becoming the fastfood filler and substitute posterboy.


I am not pitching some sort of fantastical potential future vision of what could be done better, because we've already done it better before. It happened, it was real.


That and on the fresh food note, give your local grocery stores and a couple of the megamarts online a browse and try to find heavy cream without gellan gum or carageenan, not even a preservative but thickeners/stabilizers and filler mostly. This is a fresh food item that should BE only ONE ingredient. And yet it isn't. Also look around for reasonably priced meat that doesn't state in fine print it's been injected with a solution and unspecific "natural flavorings".

To add to the modern meat shopping concerns, Meat in the US also doesn't have to declare if it's been prettied up with a hit of CO too, which is not even for the purpose of preservation, it's mostly a cosmetic alteration to make it look brighter and fresher with the downsides that it can hide the actual age of the product and mask spoilage. It's straight up banned as a practice in Canada, Japan, Singapore and unless I'm wrong the entirity of the EU.

And a lot of the store produce has been bred and GMO'd and patented purely to sit in a warehouse and bounce around a truck with nutrition and taste trailing dead last as a priority and post coof it's still going bad pretty quickly and sub standard due to being stored before shelved for so long because the care and standards are just gone.

It's not impossible to avoid, but the fact it's harder than it should be in a lot of states is still a real problem. It shouldn't be mandatory to live near a whole foods or know a co-op or go to a farmer's market or make friends with the amish to avoid eating garbage and giving your kids garbage even if you're trying your damndest to only do from scratch cooking at home.

We've always had a big country with a lot of land to cover and mouths to feed and logistics to figure - We've had big box products and fast food for well over a century and change.
The circumstances of geography and transport didn't change for the worse, food standards and manufacturing did. It's just been that way for so long our collective expectations are stuck in the Marianas trench.

As trite as it sounds too, it should have never gotten so bad from retarded industry meddling and lobbying and subsidizing and corner cutting and that we've long since accepted and expected mediocrity as the default and defacto standard in America.

TL;DR: I am mostly bitching and bemoaning the state of things as basic as the food going to our mouths in the states. Because it's a big pet peeve autistic issue for me because I know for a gospel fucking truth it was objectively better at one point, and I'm for once a bit optimistic we might finally have people in power who give a shit again and at least make an honest attempt to fix it. Even if it's not perfectly implemented- An honest attempt would be leagues better than what we've collectively put up with for the past few decades from past parties.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

The thing I overheard that stood out to me: "Well, most of the people who voted for Trump are literally uneducated and don't have college degrees. They don't know any better, so I guess they have to learn eventually."

This. This is what leftists think of blue collar workers, lower income families who couldn't afford college, etc. They really do think of us as garbage and lesser lifeforms ... And this is all the while they claim to be the party of "love," "tolerance," and "empathy."

Yeah, the dude that skipped college to become a plumber who makes 6-figures a year is not as "enlightened" or as "educated" as the liberal arts college graduate who put themself in a 6-figure debt.

I haven't heard any of this stuff outside of the internet. I do not talk to people who I know are registered D about politics nor do I think there are many democrats or leftists in my social circle, even extended through the friends of my children. I would be happy to lord my engineering and math degrees over them though if they thought themselves "well educated." I don't know whether to be surprised by it or not, but in my industry most people who I've heard talk about it are either conservatives or people who likely voted for Trump. The covid vaccine mandates caused a bit of a shake up for us, because many were not willing to take it to satisfy government requirements or requirements of some of the major defense and aerospace companies, and as such were not permitted on campus at those companies. I almost missed out on a job opportunity over that but the pay negotiation fell through anyway.

Oh, and most tradesmen never make 6-figures or only clear that late in their careers, tradesman being highly paid is a meme. Most who make that kind of money in the trades are foreman, specialists, or people who started a business. Same goes for engineers as well, the memes about them taking a six figure job right out of college with a defense company are just that, memes. I've been in the industry for a while now and I have never seen any entry level engineering job of any discipline offer more than $80k. My entry level job didn't even care that I had a math degree, it didn't add any value.

Because that pizza barely lasts long enough for the waiter to take it 20 feet from the oven to your table. Those additives are mostly preservatives designed to make the food last longer, not to (directly) save money. That's also why you only find them in shelf-stable products and not in the 90% of the grocery store which is fresh foods.

What grocery stores in America are 90% fresh foods?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I actually prefer HFS Mountain Dew over the natural sugar version in my current country. But I think it's more I just grew up with it than anything else.

yeah Mountain Dew is the only one I prefer corn syrup over soda
natural flavors seem out-of-place in Mountain Dew, it should be chemicals upon chemicals

 

[Overly Serious]

"Tonight I'm having a curry from India, last night I had an Italian pasta, tomorrow I will have a Turkish kebab..."

I wonder if his Indian curry will have peppers or chilli in it? Both things brought by Europeans to India. A modern day curry is as European as it is Indian. The East India Company handled the spice trade for half the globe.

The basic point though is that support for immigration has nothing to do with whether or not you can eat a curry. It only does in his head because he thinks opposition to immigration must come from prejudice and therefore he's exposing hypocrisy if someone who is pro control of borders eats one. Which is a false premise.

 

[Big Dong Donkey Kong]

Ukraine is already in stone age. They are living on gasoline generators. lmao.

Ahhh yes, the stone age cavemen and their famous gasoline generators.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

"Tonight I'm having a curry from India, last night I had an Italian pasta, tomorrow I will have a Turkish kebab..." I assume this was to justify us bringing in hoardes of 3rd world migrants to shit up working class estates.

The eternal liberal is forever mentally trapped in the bizarre worldview that recipes can't be written down and shared and you need to take the whole damn cook with you.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Yeah guys please tell us more about how pumping food with industrial grade chemicals is actually completely safe. Please give us more corporate-funded studies you found that say that petroleum based food dyes, seed oils, and corn syrup are just as good if not better for you as their natural alternatives.

I have never seen leftists actually disagree on RFK for this, yeah, processed food is bad for you and you should stop eating so much of it, or at least they are a fringe minority that should be dismissed, what they don't like about him is the fact that he has gone on record for disparaging ALL vaccines, and that they aren't safe and effective, and that someone of his beliefs is apparently being given the top position on federal departments concerning human health.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Long story short, the United States doesn't make that much sugar domestically, so we import most of it, and since this is an imported commodity, expect tariffs increase prices, but corn is very abundant here, at some point some food scientists managed to figure out how to transform corn into this very sweet syrup turned out to be cheaper than sugar.

Thing is that corn is not actually a good source for such sugars. Corn prices in the USA are absolutely fucked because FDR (May he burn in Hell) fucked with the market by forcing price controls and subsides to buy votes from farmers and "fix" the economy in the New Deal. It not only didn't work, it created a incentive to keep unprofitable corn around because the government was gonna buy it anyway so why bother following the market?

Millions of hectares of corn exist in the USA for no reason other than the US Government keeping them afloat with nearly 100 year old market controls. This wouldn't really be that much of a problem if this was a more useful crop or a smaller local market. But it's a huge amount of corn, and so the low price the government intervention forces it on means it is profitable to waste money turning it into HFCS to throw into goyslop by the bucket. It's also why it was used to try and make biodiessel despite being absolutely horrendous and inneficient as all hell compared to sugar cane and other ethanol sources.

Kill the corn subsides and the HFCS plague will find itself massively reduced. The only problem is the farmers who live off this grift, but that can be dealt with by keeping the subsides going for a little extra time while they switch from corn to actually useful and competitive crops.

 

[Puff]

I'm gonna get RFK in the cola bunker level spergy so rev up them puzzle pieces because I've lived to see the expectations and blame shift to the common man for anything and everything on the grocery shelf and freezer section slowly turning to absolute shit over decades with the assumptions made of "Well of course it's shit. It's a prepackaged meal." and "Of course it's filled with shit, it's fast food."

I'm of two minds. I don't like regulating, but when EVERYTHING is absolute dogshit for you, you kinda have to.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

what they don't like about him is the fact that he has gone on record for ORANGE MAN

let's not kid ourselves
nobody cared who he was until he put on the hat

 

[The Last Stand]

Hopefully he reverses it.

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What if, when he makes companies use healthier ingredients, the food tastes worse? That's a thinker.

 

[Nuns with guns]

There has never a Tim elected as VP.

Tim Walz and Tim Kane BTFO

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Oh, and most tradesmen never make 6-figures or only clear that late in their careers, tradesman being highly paid is a meme. Most who make that kind of money in the trades are foreman, specialists, or people who started a business.

That's nonsense. Depending on location welders and plumbers are making near 6-figures right out of their apprenticeships. The sky is the limit. I know a 25yo welder that started right after high school and he's pulling $120k/yr and already has rental properties. His peers are graduating college 6-figures in debt with no job prospects. The other thing about trade educations is you usually get paid during instead of going into debt with student loans.

 

[nigel p poppycock]

Gen X here who drank koolaid as a kid made with a cup or more of sugar. Pop was considered a luxury item, and we also had lemonade concentrate. We didn't carry water bottles around with us and drank from the water hose. Ah, good times.

I'm excited about RFK--if he tackles the food poisoning industry, that will go a long way to help people feel better. When you feel better you may not need those SSRIs, and you might have energy to get out and be active instead of sitting at a computer or on your phone for hours a day and not see sunlight. You might even see pop as a luxury item instead of a must have, and you might not crave carbs and sugar all the time, even if your food has real sugar in it.

I've said this before, part of the rise in obesity is probably (I don't have data just a gut feeling and observation) due to many people quitting smoking and the near abolition of places where you can smoke in public. I remember a time when I knew more smokers than nonsmokers, crazy as it sounds. We definitely don't need to start smoking again but back in the day a lot of people were thinner because they kept their mouths and fingers occupied with a cigarette. I don't think we can rule that out when comparing current obesity rates to past ones--there are more factors than just HFCS.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Part of it also is the rise in usage of unneeded and multiple usage of psych medication most of those medications cause weight gain and diabetes.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Thing is that corn is not actually a good source for such sugars. Corn prices in the USA are absolutely fucked because FDR (May he burn in Hell) fucked with the market by forcing price controls and subsides to buy votes from farmers and "fix" the economy in the New Deal. It not only didn't work, it created a incentive to keep unprofitable corn around because the government was gonna buy it anyway so why bother following the market?

Millions of hectares of corn exist in the USA for no reason other than the US Government keeping them afloat with nearly 100 year old market controls. This wouldn't really be that much of a problem if this was a more useful crop or a smaller local market. But it's a huge amount of corn, and so the low price the government intervention forces it on means it is profitable to waste money turning it into HFCS to throw into goyslop by the bucket. It's also why it was used to try and make biodiessel despite being absolutely horrendous and inneficient as all hell compared to sugar cane and other ethanol sources.

Kill the corn subsides and the HFCS plague will find itself massively reduced. The only problem is the farmers who live off this grift, but that can be dealt with by keeping the subsides going for a little extra time while they switch from corn to actually useful and competitive crops.

didn't we have the same problem with milk?, the dairy industry managed to convince (lobby) the feds to massively overproduce milk via subsidies, way more than the domestic rate of consumption, to the point the government had to convert it all into cheese and do a psyop of making americans consume more dairy products.

 

[The Nothingness]

Another one was when he explained to her the vast cultural background of the food he eats. "Tonight I'm having a curry from India, last night I had an Italian pasta, tomorrow I will have a Turkish kebab..." I assume this was to justify us bringing in hoardes of 3rd world migrants to shit up working class estates.

What's next? Bat soup from China?

 

[BigJoey41X]

I've said this before, part of the rise in obesity is probably (I don't have data just a gut feeling and observation) due to many people quitting smoking and the near abolition of places where you can smoke in public. I remember a time when I knew more smokers than nonsmokers, crazy as it sounds. We definitely don't need to start smoking again but back in the day a lot of people were thinner because they kept their mouths and fingers occupied with a cigarette. I don't think we can rule that out when comparing current obesity rates to past ones--there are more factors than just HFCS.

Nicotine is known to be an appetite suppressant after all.