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Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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The Rubezh can be both an ICBM or intermediate range depending on the warhead and mission assigned. Dual-classification.The soft, gay eyes of NAFO.
The media is quoting "US sources" who claim it's not an ICBM because it was an IRBM. Because that's completely different, right.
But I don't think Russia has any IRBM's anymore.
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Now comes the fun part, English-speakers trying to figure out the correct spelling of Oreschnik/Oreshnik/Oreshchnik.
From Putin's speech: It's a medium-range hypersonic missile, attack speed is 2-3km/s, impact speed is Mach 10.
From Putin's speech: It's a medium-range hypersonic missile, attack speed is 2-3km/s, impact speed is Mach 10.
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I for one want to thank NATO and Ukraine for plinking a few missiles into the AD of some Russian base so we all get another airshow of some high-end Russian missile systems.
That being said, "Poking the Bear" episode 5205 sure worked out as it always does, with the Ukies/NATO doing some useless PR stunts and getting their shit blown up in turn.
Also, Reuters on this:
That being said, "Poking the Bear" episode 5205 sure worked out as it always does, with the Ukies/NATO doing some useless PR stunts and getting their shit blown up in turn.
Also, Reuters on this:
Ukraine says Russia struck it with 'new' missile; claims it was an ICBM are disputed (A)
KYIV, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Ukraine said Russia fired a new kind of missile at the city of Dnipro on Thursday, and while there was debate over what kind, it appeared to be a nuclear-capable weapon that carried multiple warheads, in a further escalation of the 33-month-old war.
Kyiv said Russia used an intercontinental ballistic missile, a weapon designed for long-distance nuclear strikes and never before used in war. Three U.S. officials said it was an intermediate range ballistic missile that has a smaller range.
In Moscow, President Vladimir Putin said in a
televised address that Russia launched a medium-range ballistic missile attack on a Ukrainian military facility in response to recent Ukrainian long-range strikes with Western weapons.
Regardless of its classification, the latest strike highlighted rapidly rising tensions in the past several days.
Ukraine fired U.S. and British missiles at targets inside Russia this week despite warnings by Moscow that it would see such action as a major escalation. Russia's ambassador in London said on Thursday that Britain was now "directly involved" in the war in Ukraine.
Security experts said that if the Dnipro strike involved an intercontinental ballistic missile, it would be the first use of such a missile in war. ICBMs are strategic weapons designed to deliver nuclear warheads and are an important part of Russia's nuclear deterrent.
Intermediate-range ballistic missiles have a range of 3,000–5,500 km (1,860-3,415 miles)
"Today there was a new Russian missile. All the characteristics – speed, altitude – are (of an) intercontinental ballistic (missile). An expert (investigation) is currently underway," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in a video statement.
Ukraine's foreign ministry urged the international community to react swiftly to the use of what it said was "the use by Russia of a new type of weaponry."
Ukraine's air force said the ICBM targeted Dnipro in central-eastern Ukraine and was fired from the Russian region of Astrakhan, more than 700 km (435 miles) away. It did not specify what kind of warhead the missile had or what type of missile it was. There was no suggestion it was nuclear-armed.
"Whether it was an ICBM or an IRBM, the range isn't the important factor," said Fabian Hoffmann, a doctoral research fellow at Oslo university who specializes in missile technology and nuclear strategy.
"The fact that it carried a MIRVed (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) payload is much more significant for signaling purposes and is the reason Russia opted for it. This payload is exclusively associated with nuclear-capable missiles."
Russia also fired a Kinzhal hypersonic missile and seven Kh-101 cruise missiles, six of which were shot down, the Ukrainian air force said.
The attack targeted enterprises and critical infrastructure in Dnipro, the air force said. Dnipro was a missile-making centre in the Soviet era. Ukraine has expanded its military industry during the war, but keeps its whereabouts secret.
The air force did not say what the ICBM targeted or whether it had caused any damage, but regional governor Serhiy Lysak said the missile attack damaged an industrial enterprise and set off fires in Dnipro. Two people were hurt.
Prior to Putin's comments, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters to contact Russian military for comment when asked about the Ukrainian air force statement.
Ukrainska Pravda, a Kyiv-based media outlet, cited anonymous sources saying the missile was an RS-26 Rubezh, a solid-fuelled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 5,800 km, according to the Arms Control Association.
The RS-26 was first successfully tested in 2012, and is estimated to be 12 metres (40 ft) long and weigh 36 tons, according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). It said the RS-26 can carry an 800-kg (1,765-pound)nuclear warhead.
The RS-26 is classified as an ICBM under a nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and Russia, but it can be seen as an intermediate-range ballistic missile when used with heavier payloads at ranges below 5,500 km, the CSIS said.
The NATO military alliance did not respond to a request for comment. The U.S. European Command said it had nothing on the reported use of an ICBM and referred questions to the U.S. Department of Defense.
"If true this will be totally unprecedented and the first actual military use of ICBM. Not that it makes a lot of sense given their price and precision," Andrey Baklitskiy of the U.N. Institute for Disarmament Research posted on X.
German security expert Ulrich Kuehn posted: "It looks as if Russia has today used an intercontinental ballistic missile in a war for the first time in history, against the civilian target Dnipro."
Some military experts said the ICBM launch, if confirmed, could be seen as an act of deterrence by Moscow following Kyiv's strikes into Russia with Western weapons this week, after restrictions on such strikes were lifted.
Russian war correspondents on Telegram and an official speaking on condition of anonymity said Kyiv fired British Storm Shadow cruise missiles into Russia's Kursk region bordering Ukraine on Wednesday.
Russia's defence ministry, in its daily report of events over the previous 24 hours on Thursday, said air defences had shot down two British Storm Shadow cruise missiles but did not say where. Britain had previously let Ukraine use Storm Shadows only within Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine also fired U.S. ATACMS missiles into Russia on Tuesday after U.S. President Joe Biden gave the all-clear to use such missiles in this way, two months before he leaves office and Donald Trump returns to the White House. Putin on Tuesday lowered the threshold for a nuclear strike in response to a broader range of conventional attacks.
Trump has said he will end the war, without saying how, and has criticised billions of dollars in aid for Ukraine under Biden. The warring sides believe Trump is likely to push for peace talks - not known to have been held since the war's earliest months - and are trying to attain strong positions before negotiations.
Moscow has said the use of Western weapons to strike Russian territory far from the border would be a major escalation in the conflict. Kyiv says it needs the capability to defend itself by hitting Russian rear bases used to support Moscow's February 2022 invasion.
Kyiv said Russia used an intercontinental ballistic missile, a weapon designed for long-distance nuclear strikes and never before used in war. Three U.S. officials said it was an intermediate range ballistic missile that has a smaller range.
In Moscow, President Vladimir Putin said in a
televised address that Russia launched a medium-range ballistic missile attack on a Ukrainian military facility in response to recent Ukrainian long-range strikes with Western weapons.
Regardless of its classification, the latest strike highlighted rapidly rising tensions in the past several days.
Ukraine fired U.S. and British missiles at targets inside Russia this week despite warnings by Moscow that it would see such action as a major escalation. Russia's ambassador in London said on Thursday that Britain was now "directly involved" in the war in Ukraine.
Security experts said that if the Dnipro strike involved an intercontinental ballistic missile, it would be the first use of such a missile in war. ICBMs are strategic weapons designed to deliver nuclear warheads and are an important part of Russia's nuclear deterrent.
Intermediate-range ballistic missiles have a range of 3,000–5,500 km (1,860-3,415 miles)
"Today there was a new Russian missile. All the characteristics – speed, altitude – are (of an) intercontinental ballistic (missile). An expert (investigation) is currently underway," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in a video statement.
Ukraine's foreign ministry urged the international community to react swiftly to the use of what it said was "the use by Russia of a new type of weaponry."
Ukraine's air force said the ICBM targeted Dnipro in central-eastern Ukraine and was fired from the Russian region of Astrakhan, more than 700 km (435 miles) away. It did not specify what kind of warhead the missile had or what type of missile it was. There was no suggestion it was nuclear-armed.
"Whether it was an ICBM or an IRBM, the range isn't the important factor," said Fabian Hoffmann, a doctoral research fellow at Oslo university who specializes in missile technology and nuclear strategy.
"The fact that it carried a MIRVed (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) payload is much more significant for signaling purposes and is the reason Russia opted for it. This payload is exclusively associated with nuclear-capable missiles."
Russia also fired a Kinzhal hypersonic missile and seven Kh-101 cruise missiles, six of which were shot down, the Ukrainian air force said.
The attack targeted enterprises and critical infrastructure in Dnipro, the air force said. Dnipro was a missile-making centre in the Soviet era. Ukraine has expanded its military industry during the war, but keeps its whereabouts secret.
The air force did not say what the ICBM targeted or whether it had caused any damage, but regional governor Serhiy Lysak said the missile attack damaged an industrial enterprise and set off fires in Dnipro. Two people were hurt.
Prior to Putin's comments, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters to contact Russian military for comment when asked about the Ukrainian air force statement.
Ukrainska Pravda, a Kyiv-based media outlet, cited anonymous sources saying the missile was an RS-26 Rubezh, a solid-fuelled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 5,800 km, according to the Arms Control Association.
The RS-26 was first successfully tested in 2012, and is estimated to be 12 metres (40 ft) long and weigh 36 tons, according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). It said the RS-26 can carry an 800-kg (1,765-pound)nuclear warhead.
The RS-26 is classified as an ICBM under a nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and Russia, but it can be seen as an intermediate-range ballistic missile when used with heavier payloads at ranges below 5,500 km, the CSIS said.
'TOTALLY UNPRECEDENTED'
A group of glowing projectiles could be seen plummeting to the ground from the night sky in a video published by Come Back Alive, a Ukrainian military charity. It said the video was of Dnipro overnight.The NATO military alliance did not respond to a request for comment. The U.S. European Command said it had nothing on the reported use of an ICBM and referred questions to the U.S. Department of Defense.
"If true this will be totally unprecedented and the first actual military use of ICBM. Not that it makes a lot of sense given their price and precision," Andrey Baklitskiy of the U.N. Institute for Disarmament Research posted on X.
German security expert Ulrich Kuehn posted: "It looks as if Russia has today used an intercontinental ballistic missile in a war for the first time in history, against the civilian target Dnipro."
Some military experts said the ICBM launch, if confirmed, could be seen as an act of deterrence by Moscow following Kyiv's strikes into Russia with Western weapons this week, after restrictions on such strikes were lifted.
Russian war correspondents on Telegram and an official speaking on condition of anonymity said Kyiv fired British Storm Shadow cruise missiles into Russia's Kursk region bordering Ukraine on Wednesday.
Russia's defence ministry, in its daily report of events over the previous 24 hours on Thursday, said air defences had shot down two British Storm Shadow cruise missiles but did not say where. Britain had previously let Ukraine use Storm Shadows only within Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine also fired U.S. ATACMS missiles into Russia on Tuesday after U.S. President Joe Biden gave the all-clear to use such missiles in this way, two months before he leaves office and Donald Trump returns to the White House. Putin on Tuesday lowered the threshold for a nuclear strike in response to a broader range of conventional attacks.
Trump has said he will end the war, without saying how, and has criticised billions of dollars in aid for Ukraine under Biden. The warring sides believe Trump is likely to push for peace talks - not known to have been held since the war's earliest months - and are trying to attain strong positions before negotiations.
Moscow has said the use of Western weapons to strike Russian territory far from the border would be a major escalation in the conflict. Kyiv says it needs the capability to defend itself by hitting Russian rear bases used to support Moscow's February 2022 invasion.
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LOL what fucking difference does the acronym make? The whole world just saw what it can do.
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Which is illegal of course, and Ukraine has signed onto the Ottawa Treaty banning them. Can't wait to see the US/EU point out how Ukraine is violating international law.
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The ICC condemns Putler, the American DC Uniparty celebrates.
The ICC condemns Bibi, massive chimpout from the shabbos goys.
What did the DC Uniparty mean by this?
The ICC condemns Bibi, massive chimpout from the shabbos goys.
What did the DC Uniparty mean by this?
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That week-old Aegis missile defense base in Poland became officially obsolete about 12 hours ago. May as well pack up and send those guys home now.
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Iron Dimon is excited. He finally got his fireworks show.
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People downplaying a fucking ICBM is next level. If I hear one more cuck say "Nothing ever happens" when something definitely did, I'm gonna lose it.
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Using an ICBM is pretty bad, I think countries like Poland and Hungary are going to tell Zelensky to back the fuck down. Putin is a paper tiger but a paper tiger can still strike you. I also feel Trump pre-anaugeration is going to come in. He will also reprimand Starmer who is egging on Zelensky to do stupid shit.
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If you can have the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world and still be called a paper tiger, I don't know what a paper tiger is anymore.
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It cant hit parts of Africa, South America, and Antarctica*. Just Europe, Japan, India, China, the Middle East and North America from Russia. Irrelevant weapon for sure.
*Not counting submarines
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It was a big candle with precision targeting and long-distance delivery capability. The distinction doesn't matter -- the end result is all that counts. It launched from deep within Russian territory and successfully plopped a bunch of nasty chunks of metal at lethal speeds accurately upon a very precise target in enemy territory.
Doesn't matter what you call it. It accurately made a big boom-boom far away from where it came from and proved to the world its builders can do it again, with much nastier payloads next time.
If I wind up nuked in the next three weeks, I won't care if it's an ICBM or a Fabricated Upper-atmosphere Conveyance of Kinetic Energy Release (FUCKER) that gets written in the papyrus-based history scrolls fifty years from now describing how exactly my vaporization was delivered to my front door.
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This isn't a personal attack (since you are far from the only one saying things like this) but I wish people wouldn't repeat Biden Administration characterizations of someone like Putin. It normalizes belligerent posturing when its not called for; Trump understands this. I think most Americans do as well which is why they voted for him over someone who was guaranteed to continue down this path. We shouldn't be involved in European disputes at all, it's the one thing the Founding Fathers consistently repeated over and over in their writing, speeches and personal correspondence, and until WWI we were focused on keeping Europe out of the Americas. Since then it's been overseas war after war, unfettered immigration and wild economic cycles. Right now America is involved in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, and getting aggressive in Asia while US infrastructure and society is falling apart. It will be our undoing.
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Well it's $CURRENTYEAR+9 and a man named Elon Musk is an incel despite being a notorious womanizer with 12 known children so anythings possible I guess.