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[mandatorylurk]

Delaying the case like that is unconstitutional and should be blown apart by SCOTUS, you have a right to speedy sentencing too.

 

[just Reading a post]

Delaying the case like that is unconstitutional and should be blown apart by SCOTUS, you have a right to speedy sentencing too.

I think they know that and it is being engineered that way to give them a saving face after they rule it.

 

[Not Really Here]

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delayed till X date - which from rumers is 1/10/2029.

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1859984418959704387

He should file a demand for immediate final resolution, and if denied, seek mandamus.
Force this faggot judge to either sentence Trump, or issue a dismissal.

Whatever you say, buddy.

SYG is a single law, and it eliminates the duty to retreat. There's no duty to retreat in any State when you're on your back, having your head slammed into concrete.

Uninstall your stupid media script, and get a new one that's not retarded.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

SYG is a single law, and it eliminates the duty to retreat. There's no duty to retreat in any State when you're on your back, having your head slammed into concrete.

Uninstall your stupid media script, and get a new one that's not retarded.

So all I have to do in Florida to kill you and get away with it is to lie on my back, hit my head on the concrete, and then shoot you? Good to know that's how the law works, and that there is no nuance whatsoever, from such a towering intellect as yours.

 

[whoishomermynameis]

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1859640224428523864

https://x.com/joerogan/status/1859766372391367043

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Ironic that it is the Republicans that make Americans gay.


Anyone who uses any popculture media as a point in a political argument shouldn't be taken seriously. Are we so illiterate in social studies that we as a society can't talk about politics without bringing up the same 5 movies/books instead of making real arguments and comparisons.

I'm guilty of the idiocracy one, but not for politics. But because I laugh a little inside every time I've ever seen a smart TV UI/Splash Screen.

 

[Not Really Here]

So all I have to do in Florida to kill you and get away with it is to lie on my back, hit my head on the concrete, and then shoot you? Good to know that's how the law works, and that there is no nuance whatsoever, from such a towering intellect as yours.

See how little the NPC knows of self-defense law?

 

[The Nothingness]

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1859640224428523864

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https://x.com/joerogan/status/1859766372391367043

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"That guy believes in dragons," says the person who believes men can become women (and vice versa).

 

[Uncle Buck]

So all I have to do in Florida to kill you and get away with it is to lie on my back, hit my head on the concrete, and then shoot you? Good to know that's how the law works, and that there is no nuance whatsoever, from such a towering intellect as yours.

You know damn well that's not what happened. Why are you even arguing the point?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

You know damn well that's not what happened. Why are you even arguing the point?

I am not saying what you quoted is what happened in the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin. I am saying that the State of Florida, if it wanted, could have pursued a manslaughter charge and had a much easier time convicting Zimmerman compared to second-degree murder charges.

The person I'm arguing with seems to believe that "stand your ground" laws provide complete immunity in cases that the defense claims are self-defense, which they do not - prosecutors can and do argue the opposite in court all the time. I am making fun of the other person's line of argument for how "stand your ground" laws work.

 

[Not Really Here]

The person I'm arguing with seems to believe that "stand your ground" laws provide complete immunity in cases that the defense claims are self-defense, which they do not - prosecutors can and do argue the opposite in court all the time. I am making fun of the other person's line of argument for how "stand your ground" laws work.

You didn't read what I wrote, and are wrong.
Classic NPC running a MSM script, sad, many such cases.

 

[UnidentifiedFlyingOrchid]

Strikes me as odd they always seem to reference 1984 or Handmaid’s Tale, but not It Can’t Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis. I’d think that would be immediately obvious especially considering the Project 2025 dictatorial conspiracy.

I've always been partial to Caesar's Column, but dropping references to it would be as hip and jive as Dennis Miller commentary of a football game.

 

[George Lucas]

I am not saying what you quoted is what happened in the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin. I am saying that the State of Florida, if it wanted, could have pursued a manslaughter charge and had a much easier time convicting Zimmerman compared to second-degree murder charges.

The person I'm arguing with seems to believe that "stand your ground" laws provide complete immunity in cases that the defense claims are self-defense, which they do not - prosecutors can and do argue the opposite in court all the time. I am making fun of the other person's line of argument for how "stand your ground" laws work.

You’re being a fucking retard. Self-defense is a legal defense that the jury decides on much like a conviction, but it proves immunity to a set of crimes. Those crimes happen to include manslaughter. From a legal theory standpoint, charging for manslaughter wouldn’t have made any sense and would not have affected the outcome anyway as the jury instructions would have said to immediately ignore everything else as soon as the self-defense defense was accepted as proven.

 

[FlappyBat]

I never get tired of watching this!

Someone needs to tell Lichtman, his "keys" dont appear to account for when God gets involved.

Not including the Divine Mandate key really was a major oversight.

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delayed till X date - which from rumers is 1/10/2029.

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1859984418959704387

Blatant violation of civil rights and every supposed criminal justice reform advocate will be silent on it.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I am not saying what you quoted is what happened in the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin. I am saying that the State of Florida, if it wanted, could have pursued a manslaughter charge and had a much easier time convicting Zimmerman compared to second-degree murder charges.

Why? In your judgment, was Zimmerman unjustified in using deadly force against a person who assaulted him unprovoked and who, it is confirmed by physical evidence and eyewitnesses, was on top of him, pounding his head into the concrete?

The person I'm arguing with seems to believe that "stand your ground" laws provide complete immunity in cases that the defense claims are self-defense, which they do not - prosecutors can and do argue the opposite in court all the time. I am making fun of the other person's line of argument for how "stand your ground" laws work.

Regardless of what the other party is arguing, conceptually the point of both state self-defense statutes and the more specific "stand your ground" law in FL is such that a person should not be prosecuted if the facts and circumstances don't warrant it - which, it bears repeating, the evidence in the Zimmerman case showed pretty much from minute one. Obviously whether or not either SYG or basic self-defense is a reasonable defense in a certain situation depends on facts and circumstances but as even you have suggested, the Zimmerman prosecution was political, which means the facts and circumstances were ignored in favor of mob appeasement. Were we a more righteous society, the Pam Bondi's of the world would not yield to political pressure and an obvious attempt to whip up a public fury, but were we a righteous society Jorge Zimmero could have approached Trayboon Martin in a more polite or less-confrontational way and Trayboon wouldn't have chimped out simply because a neighborhood watch person asked him who he was and why he was there when he was not actually a resident.

 

[quaawaa]

Personally, I think Zimmerman was a fucking idiot for leaving his house to go confront a stranger. Martin was a fucking idiot for attacking a stranger. When you put two fucking idiots in a violent situation, the result is usually bad. Neither of them ever learned the cardinal rule of violence: the best defense is avoiding the situation entirely.

Agreed. Zim was a retard HOA drone who thought himself the neighborhood punisher, and treyboon was a useless hoodlum. I would say that at least there was a net positive outcome in the death of a hoodlum, but the country as a whole suffered the consequences of that trial so it was a net negative.

This is how society degrades. Criminals are allowed to run amok because everyone is afraid to confront a thief because they don't want to be seen as an "HOA Karen" (at best) or sentenced to life in prison by a kangaroo court where their jury is made up of the criminal's friends and family (at worst).

 

[Not Really Here]

This is how society degrades. Criminals are allowed to run amok because everyone is afraid to confront a thief because they don't want to be seen an "HOA Karen" (at best) or sentenced to life in prison by a kangaroo court where their jury is made up of the criminal's friends and family (at worst).

Which is why post-Zimmerman, Florida changed their self defense law again, to include a presumption of reasonableness, joining 16 other States, including California.

Additionally, some states (including Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) have replaced the common law “reasonable person” standard, which placed the burden on the defendant to show that their defensive action were reasonable, with a “presumption of reasonableness,” or “presumption of fear,” which shifts the burden of proof to the prosecutor to prove a negative.

National Council of State Legislatures/Archive

 

[Post Reply]

Trayvon trial was the best thing that has happened to america. It woke up many Americans from left victimhood narrative, myself included. If they shoved that trial into the bin, we'd talking about the POOR TRAYVON. Instead, we know he was a thug and the media lied.

It radically changed the way I viewed the media. I listened to the whole trial at work, and during breaks the news channels would have "experts" on who I was convinced were not even watching the same trial as me. That's when I realized they aren't dumb, they were intentionally lying.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

I never get tired of watching this!

Someone needs to tell Lichtman, his "keys" dont appear to account for when God gets involved.

I forget who made the video but they detail how Lichtman actually ignored reality to make Kamala's imminent victory fit his keys. I will try to remember who made it so I can find it.

 

[The sneeder]

Sorry if late but didn't see this kek posted in my lurking.

https://x.com/RepNancyMace/status/1859668785730551841

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/4gRE8