Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

Ginger Piglet said:
Despite Eloy detention centre and its allegedly gulag like conditions, El Nino has clearly put on weight. Hmmmm.
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You know it isn't all that different from any other detention center if you get right down to it.

Here's a video that tours the thing. If you can get past the bimbo on the left going wow at everything it's actually quite interesting. I mean what more could you possibly expect there to be at a detention center for illegals?


All this talk from the troon brigade about how horrible the place is just reaffirms my belief that none of them have ever seen a jail cell or even a drunk tank from the inside. They're not build for comfort, they're build for holding people that violated the law.

If you're an illegal alien you are breaking (immigration) laws, you will get put away for as long as it takes to either make sure you are on the track to become legal, or until you can get deported back to whereever you came from.

It's the fucking law. Don't like it? Too fucking bad, go ahead and try to change the laws that so offend your sensible fucking feelings. Fact of the matter is that the law is on the books the way it got enforced and there's fuck all you can do about it by flapping your cockmunching lips.
 
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Painful moments you, winning for us.
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"A week, month, year of painful moments"

What is this timeline? Did this lady think Nina was in ICE custody for over a year?
 
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randomfarmer said:
A large part of the deportation fiasco could have been avoided if they were honest and let people know they fucked up and had just not got around to Nina's immigration application and the process it entails.
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That would mean admitting fault on their part. I don't know about Nina, but Greta cannot allow such a thing. Possibly can't even envisage such a thing, because...

Jaimas said:
If I may give my thoughts: It is a simple lust for power and a desperate need to feel superior to others due to a lifetime of being a completely dysfynctional person that drives Greta. She thinks nothing of threats, insults, or even organized campaigns of terror against those that oppose her that even some of the cows we cover would find disgusting. If possible, she'll goad a follower into doing it rather than do it herself (one reason she likes Phil), though Greta is willing to get her hands dirty if necessary.

There is no actual ulterior motive behind Greta's actions: Simply the need to prove dominance over other people and to enrich herself at the expense of others is sufficient. Make no mistake: Greta will not hesitate to sacrifice every single one of her followers if it means protecting herself.
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... as is basically said here, Greta is a narcissist. I find narcissists fascinating. They believe the world revolves around them. If things don't go their way, the fault must be with the world. They believe everyone else is stupider, less attractive and less important than them. As a result, they tend to be fuckups - they can't relate to authority, they can't deal with the give-and-take of relationships and they consistently underestimate people. I think at some level, Greta is slightly bewildered by this whole thing - somehow she has failed to outsmart ICE and her critics.

The repeated comparisons between her followers and a cult are relevant to this. Many cult leaders are also narcissists, because they appear charismatic and self-assured - very attractive to the insecure.

Just about every one of Greta's failings can be attributed one way or another to her narcissism. Were I to take this theory further, her trans status may also be an effect of narcissism. Many narcissists are deeply unhappy because they live in a world that just doesn't work for them. Becoming something other could be very attractive.

Sissy Galvez said:
Greta doesn't realize how impotent he is. The noteriety he's gained from his scam, Trans Lifeline, turned him into a loud, aggressive bully. He relies on fear of excommunication from the tranny group to keep anyone critical of him or Nina's mismanagement of TLL and theft of funds from speaking out.

Over time that doesn't work because people he kicks out have become vocal critics and the cracks are appearing. It's only a matter of time now and his critics are more subtle, crafty, and patient than he is.
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Something similar has happened to two noted cults of recent years, the Church of Scientology and the Westboro Baptist Church. Both relied on a closed environment where people's access to the outside world was limited. In the case of WBC, that was easy - it's a very small cult, most based around Fred Phelps' extended family. In the case of CoS, they claimed that the super-scientific methods invented by Hubbard could be undone by hearing anything critical. But in both cases, modern media fucked it up.

What happened was that it became nearly impossible to hide the truth of the cults from outsiders, and in turn made it harder for members to avoid hearing critics. The more intelligent, more savvy members started asking questions. The leaders panicked and started expelling the critics or driving them out through brutal disciplinary methods - in some cases, simply seeing what was happening to people they respected was enough to convince other members to leave.

The end result in both cases is a paranoid, declining organisation whose cleverest members have all left, and the only ones left are too stupid or scared to raise criticism. As a result, the cults keep shooting themselves in the foot. Meanwhile, the clever members become critics - they're a lot smarter than their opposite numbers in the cult, and they know the organisation inside out.

Basically I'm sure you can see the relevance to what's happening with Greta. Give it a year, it'll just be her and Phil in a room, crying and masturbating.
 
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bacterium said:
Lack of girldicking
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Between you and me, I honestly wonder how desperate Greta must be to be able to get it up for El Nino's unwashed, sulphurous fish-mitten. But then again, she's no prize either. I bet if you went and looked back at all her exes they'd all be ugly, stupid, desperate, or all three. Wouldn't surprise me if she had a track record of domestic violence as well.

Tragi-Chan said:
They believe the world revolves around them. If things don't go their way, the fault must be with the world. They believe everyone else is stupider, less attractive and less important than them. As a result, they tend to be fuckups - they can't relate to authority, they can't deal with the give-and-take of relationships and they consistently underestimate people. I think at some level, Greta is slightly bewildered by this whole thing - somehow she has failed to outsmart ICE and her critics.
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Which is why she hangs around with people like Fire and Phil and various other people because she looks erudite and smart by comparison. If such specimens were the only people who could tolerate your presence, wouldn't you think everyone else is ugly, stupid, and insignificant? Small reference pools much?

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ObeseScreamingBlackMan said:

FTFY.
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Just Greta and Philly, hangin' out. Phil got hungry so he started to shout. Can I have a taste of something yummy? And Greta said, I'll give you my cummies! Yeah! Yeah! etc.
 
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So they raised $10k in around a day of e-begging but Nina still needs more financial help? Of course she does, considering you all probably blew $5k in her welcome-back party alone. How much will be enough Greta? I guess the sky is the limit when it comes to filling your pocket with other people's hard-earned money...

On the other hand, it's likely that she will need the money if the legal battle is going to take years through extensions and appeals to make her last as long as possible in the US. I just hate to see this troon get all this money and misspend it while people actually think this is an emergency. For example: We know now that it's likely that Nino would have gotten out despite any lawyer interference but Greta is totally going to sell this as "we used that $10k already, give moar". Or to put it another way: $10k would feed entire families in the poorest regions of the world for literally years, instead people are throwing it at the fakest, angriest, mot male tranny out there who is trying to harbor an illegal immigrant that could have avoided all of these legal fees if they just did things right the first time around.
 
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keksz said:
So they raised $10k in around a day of e-begging but Nina still needs more financial help? Of course she does, considering you all probably blew $5k in her welcome-back party alone. How much will be enough Greta? I guess the sky is the limit when it comes to filling your pocket with other people's hard-earned money...

On the other hand, it's likely that she will need the money if the legal battle is going to take years through extensions and appeals to make her last as long as possible in the US. I just hate to see this troon get all this money and misspend it while people actually think this is an emergency. For example: We know now that it's likely that Nino would have gotten out despite any lawyer interference but Greta is totally going to sell this as "we used that $10k already, give moar". Or to put it another way: $10k would feed entire families in the poorest regions of the world for literally years, instead people are throwing it at the fakest, angriest, mot male tranny out there who is trying to harbor an illegal immigrant that could have avoided all of these legal fees if they just did things right the first time around.
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Social justice at it's finest.
 
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Thanks! I must have skimmed that post and missed it!

Ok, now they said they came to California to look for a new home/to move to California permanently. Can they move with this going on? Or will they have to stay in Chicago until the case is complete? Can they transfer the case to a California court if it has already been seen in Chicago (such as moving after having been in court once or twice already in Chicago)? I wonder if they were moving for the Sanctuary City thing. Has Nina had any recent issues with her passport/visa while in Chicago?

I am just wondering if the continuing fundraising is their way of moving up their relocation plans so that Nina would get a more lenient Immigration Judge, and the attorneys in California have more experience in Immigration and Trans issues I would think.

I just hope that Gloria Allred isn't going to make this her Cause Du'juor.
 
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Maiden-TieJuan said:
Thanks! I must have skimmed that post and missed it!

Ok, now they said they came to California to look for a new home/to move to California permanently. Can they move with this going on? Or will they have to stay in Chicago until the case is complete? Can they transfer the case to a California court if it has already been seen in Chicago (such as moving after having been in court once or twice already in Chicago)? I wonder if they were moving for the Sanctuary City thing. Has Nina had any recent issues with her passport/visa while in Chicago?

I am just wondering if the continuing fundraising is their way of moving up their relocation plans so that Nina would get a more lenient Immigration Judge, and the attorneys in California have more experience in Immigration and Trans issues I would think.

I just hope that Gloria Allred isn't going to make this her Cause Du'juor.
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They are probably gonna do whatever the hell they want and cry transmisogony when they get in trouble.
 
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keksz said:
So they raised $10k in around a day of e-begging but Nina still needs more financial help? Of course she does, considering you all probably blew $5k in her welcome-back party alone. How much will be enough Greta? I guess the sky is the limit when it comes to filling your pocket with other people's hard-earned money...
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I agree with you man, but there's no way at least half of that cash didn't come from SSDI and/or allowance
 
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Maiden-TieJuan said:
Question: where will the immigration hearing be held? Usually a person goes to court in the county where they did the offense. So will it be held in Yuma, or will it be done where ever these . . . Delicate flowers decide to land? With the bail, can they even leave the state?
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We know they can get it moved to Chicago thanks to all the information Mirna has provided, but what I'm curious to know is how it will work out with their plans to move. I don't know if they can get it moved again if they have a change of residency, and I really feel like they don't have enough foresight to check. I can't imagine their constant road tripping is going to help either. If Greta can't manage to get visitation hours right just imagine how much trouble court dates will be. The fact that their supposed lawyer is also based out of Washington just throws another wrench into things.
 
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