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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Labour expanding the none crime hate-incident stuff? Who could have predicted that.

The Home Secretary is planning to expand the recording of non-crime hate incidents despite the backlash over the threat to free speech.
Yvette Cooper is committed to reversing the Tories’ decision to downgrade the monitoring of the incidents, specifically in relation to anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, so they can be logged by police.
Labour believes the current guidance to forces prevents officers from tracking tensions involving Jewish and Muslim communities that could escalate into violence and criminality.
It comes amid calls by senior Tory MPs to scrap the requirement for police to record non-crime hate incidents (NCHI) or further restrict the ability of officers to log them to protect free speech in the wake of the Allison Pearson row.

A Home Office source said: “It is part of our manifesto commitment so we will work with the College of Policing to understand the best way of doing that so police can assess where there is a high incidence of anti-Semitic and Islamophobic hate crime.”

Pearson, an award-winning writer for The Telegraph, was being investigated by Essex Police for allegedly stirring up racial hatred with a social media post made in November last year. The force dropped the case on Thursday.
While Pearson was being investigated for an alleged crime, she initially thought an NCHI was being recorded against her. The case prompted criticism of NCHIs, which do not meet the criminal threshold but are recorded by police regardless.
Speaking on Radio 4’s PM, Pearson said: “The issue here is these non-crime hate incidents are out of control. Nobody with great knowledge of the law has ever suggested that there was any basis for charging me with anything.
“And we have to ask the question, why did Essex police persist in this? Why did they escalate it with me? I did not incite racial hate, nobody thinks I incited racial hate.

“I feel I was bullied and threatened, and this was wholly disproportionate. I won’t censor myself, but I will be more watchful in future.”
The plans to expand the recording of NCHI were first revealed in the summer but have recently come under fresh scrutiny.
Free speech campaigners are also threatening to take legal action against the Home Office if it goes ahead with plans to unpick rules laid down by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, to stop police recording incidents just because someone was offended.
The rules, introduced last year, limited officers to recording personal data for NCHIs only where there was a “real risk of significant harm” to individuals or groups and a real risk that a future criminal offence could be committed against them.

What is a non-crime hate incident?​

The College of Policing states that it is any incident where a crime has not been committed, but where it is perceived by the reporting person or any other person that the incident was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on:
  • A person’s race or perceived race, including any racial group or ethnic background including countries within the UK, and gypsy and traveller groups;
  • A person’s religion or perceived religion, including any religious group including those who have no faith in a theology;
  • A person’s sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation;
  • A person’s disability or perceived disability including physical disability, learning disability and mental health or developmental disorders;
  • A person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender, including people who are transsexual, transgender, cross dressers and those who hold a gender recognition certificate under the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
While there is no specific sanction for a non-crime incident, it can be recorded by police if an incident is initially reported as a crime. But it is not clear from the report whether a crime has been committed or not.
It can also be recorded where the alleged behaviour falls short of criminal activity, but the surrounding circumstances suggest that the behaviour may contribute to – or become evidence of – a course of criminal conduct.
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However, a report by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary in September found many forces were still failing to correctly apply the guidance.
It uncovered evidence that confusion over the rules meant officers were taking a risk-averse approach summed up as “if in doubt, record”. As a result, NCHIs were too often being logged for complaints that amounted to little more than people’s “hurt feelings”.
Police have recorded a non-crime hate incident after a person refused to shake hands, which the victim “perceived to be hate related due to gender identity”.
They also logged a “rough” haircut reported by a customer who claimed his barber was “aggressive” following a discussion about the Ukraine war.
Ms Cooper has urged police to use “common sense” when recording non-crime hate incidents and has pointed to recommendations by the HM inspectorate for improved training and clearer direction for officers.
A Home Office source said: “We support the Inspectorate and College of Policing assessment that there needs to be a common sense and consistent approach – that means that trivial, irrational or malicious cases should not be recorded.


“The Inspectorate has been clear that guidance is not being followed consistently and we’ll be working with them and the College of Policing to make sure that the recommendations are implemented.
“Over the past 12 months there has been a big increase in anti-Semitism and Islamophobia and it’s really important that police forces are able to track and monitor that so that action can be taken to prevent harassment, crime or serious threats.”
Labour believes it can amend the guidelines to boost the recording of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia without changing the wider requirements to follow a common sense approach and not to record trivial or irrational incidents.
“Squaring the circle is what we are looking at mechanisms to do,” said a Home Office source, although they added that it was not being actively pursued at the moment.
A No 10 spokesman said Sir Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, was clear that the police should be spending their time protecting the public and keeping streets safe.
“When it comes to those incidents we’ve also said that it’s vital we carefully consider how we balance the fundamental right to free speech and how police can gather information where relevant. We’re looking at how we can best ensure this is the case and will set out next steps in due course,” said the spokesman.

The Free Speech Union (FSU) and former police officer Harry Miller, chief executive of campaign group Fair Cop, have written to Ms Cooper threatening legal action if there is any loosening of the guidance on NCHIs.
The guidance was re-written by the Home Office and College of Policing under Mrs Braverman after Mr Miller won a Court of Appeal challenge over a police investigation into his tweets. The judges ruled the old NCHI guidance had been wrongly used and had a “chilling effect” on his freedom of speech.
Toby Young, director of the FSU, said: “The reason Suella Braverman tried to circumscribe the recording and retention of NCHIs isn’t because, as a Tory, she has more tolerance for anti-Semitic and Islamophobic hatred than the lovely and caring Yvette Cooper.
“It’s because the Court of Appeal in Miller vs College of Policing ruled that the guidance devised by the College, and the behaviour of the police in their efforts to comply with it, was unlawful.
“If Yvette Cooper scraps the statutory guidance and encourages the police to record even more NCHIs, she will be ordering them to go back to breaking the law. That’s not a great look for the Home Secretary.”

Nice to see the ex-Archbishop is still doing public functions after resigning due to protect a child rapist

The Archbishop of Canterbury’s attendance of a British Museum dinner the day after he stepped down from the Church was “jaw-dropping”, Private Eye editor Ian Hislop said.
The Most Rev Justin Welby attended a “gathering of the great and good” a day after he announced he was quitting over a Church of England abuse scandal, Hislop has revealed.
Hislop described it as “jaw-dropping” that the Archbishop had turned up to the British Museum trustees’ annual dinner last week.
The Archbishop released a statement on Tuesday of that week saying he was stepping down “in sorrow with all victims and survivors of abuse”.
The move followed days of pressure after a review concluded that John Smyth, the most prolific serial abuser to be associated with the Church, might have been brought to justice had the Archbishop formally reported him to police in 2013.

Hislop, a team captain on the satirical show Have I Got News for You, said he was in disbelief that Archbishop Welby appeared at the museum event a day later.

In a column in Private Eye, Hislop wrote: “It was a gathering of the ‘great and good’, but as I stood with a drink in my hand, I couldn’t help noticing that the man standing across the Great Court from me was the Archbishop of Canterbury.
“This was the day after he had been forced to resign in disgrace for his role in an appalling scandal and cover-up of monstrous abuse in the Church of England. Like many guests there, I could not believe he would turn up to a public event. It was jaw-dropping.”

He said the Archbishop had approached his group and introduced himself, before looking around and commenting, “isn’t this lovely?”
Hislop went on: “I am afraid at this point I couldn’t contain myself and refused to allow him to use the politeness of the British establishment to get away with what I thought was extraordinarily shameless behaviour. I said, ‘It is lovely that you have resigned.’”
Hislop said the Archbishop looked surprised by the comment.
Lambeth Palace has said it does not comment on private conversations.
The Archbishop intends to complete his official duties by Jan 6 and is likely to have “very little public-facing activity” between now and that date, Lambeth Palace said on Wednesday.

Official functions will be delegated to Stephen Cottrell, the Archbishop of York.
The BBC said Archbishop Welby will not deliver the traditional televised New Year message on New Year’s Day.
A spokesman for the broadcaster said: “Lambeth Palace have confirmed that there will not be a New Year’s message from the Archbishop of Canterbury this year.
“It will resume next year when the new Archbishop of Canterbury has been appointed.”
The Archbishop delivered his first televised New Year message in 2014, and each year since then.
The Church of England has not yet confirmed whether he will deliver the Christmas Day sermon from Canterbury Cathedral.

Rape crisis centre forced by the courts to issue an actual apology after targeting someone for being a dang dirty TERF.
A rape crisis centre has published a formal apology to an ex employee constructively dismissed over her gender-critical views.
Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) had been ordered by an employment tribunal to publicly say sorry to Roz Adams over her dismissal for believing those accessing services should be able to know the sex of staff.
In a post on its website, the centre said it accepted the tribunal’s findings it “harassed and discriminated against Ms Adams” because of her beliefs.
Ms Adams was awarded £70,000 by the tribunal earlier this month.

ERCC apologised to Ms Adams for alleging that she was transphobic and acknowledged that:
  • ERCC's decision that Ms Adams had misconducted herself was wrong
  • Ms Adams was motivated by a wish to act in the best interests of centre users
  • Nothing Ms Adams did constituted bullying or harassment
  • ERCC had harassed and discriminated against Ms Adams because of her protected gender critical beliefs


A ruling in May said the decision to launch a disciplinary process against Ms Adams was because the centre’s management wanted to “make an example” of her because of her views.
Ms Adams has maintained her belief that those using a rape crisis centre should have a choice over who they receive support from on the basis of sex, and that sex is binary and "everyone is either male or female at that level".
Those beliefs clashed with the views of Mridul Wadhwa, the centre’s chief executive and a trans woman, who has since resigned from the role.
The tribunal also ruled the centre must refer victims of sexual assault to Beira’s Place, where Ms Adams now works.
Beira’s Place is a women’s refuge established by author JK Rowling. It does not hire or provide services to trans women.
ERCC previously sent Ms Adams a letter in September saying it apologised for the stress and discrimination she faced at ERCC.
However, Ms Adams argued this was not satisfactory, as it did not clear her name publicly.


The tribunal centred on a disciplinary process that began after Ms Adams sought clarity on how to respond to an abuse survivor who wanted to know if a support worker who identified as non-binary was a man or a woman.
Some people who do not consider themselves to have a solely male or female gender identity describe themselves as non-binary.
The tribunal found that the investigation should not have been launched and “was clearly motivated by a strong belief amongst the senior management and some of the claimant’s colleagues that the claimant’s views were inherently hateful".
Allegations of misconduct were upheld, but no action was taken. Ms Adams then chose to resign.
Rape Crisis Scotland has launched an investigation into ERCC.
The judgment said Ms Wadhwa appeared to believe that Ms Adams was transphobic.
It said that Ms Wadhwa was “the invisible hand behind everything that had taken place.”
In his judgement, judge McFatridge said the disciplinary process used against Ms Adams was “reminiscent of the work of Franz Kafka” - the 20th Century writer whose works were often characterised by nightmarish and confusing situations.
Edinburgh to start shipping its homeless to the neighbouring regions. The funniest bit about this story is they apparently were already doing so to provide extra room for Taylor Swift fans.
Some homeless people in Edinburgh could be moved out of the city as part of a plan to stop the use of unlicensed temporary accommodation before the end of the month.
City of Edinburgh Council has provided hundreds of rooms in hotels and B&Bs as temporary accommodation in response to soaring demand since the Covid pandemic.
The change of these properties into primary residences, as opposed to being for guests only, means they are legally required to be licensed as a house of multiple occupation (HMO).
But around 650 homeless people live in accommodation without a HMO licence and council officials trying to rehome them said about 10% of them could be temporarily moved outside of Edinburgh if they don't find enough spaces by 30 November.

Derek McGowan, Service Director for Housing and Homelessness at the City of Edinburgh Council, said the city had been offered about 70 external properties, mostly in neighbouring local authorities and none more than 50 miles away.
He said he didn’t think there would be a need to use them but added “we need to plan for it”.
He said: “I would say I’m confident at the moment there will be a place for everyone affected by this to stay.
“Predominantly what we’re trying to do is use our [housing] stock on a temporary basis, but whatever else licenced and suitable accommodation in the city we can find, we can use.
“The contingencies are there, if there is a need to use accommodation outwith the authority area we would make sure we are transporting people there and that would be on a short-term basis, as short as possible, so we can bring them back to the city and put them in our housing stock.”

Breaking the law​

The initial decision to significantly increase the amount of unlicensed temporary accommodation available was taken at the start of the first Covid lockdown in 2020.
At the time, inspections of all the properties were made to ensure the safety requirements were met and landlords in breach of the rules were requested to register for an HMO licence.
Around 30 landlords did not do this and the council now plans to stop paying the unlicensed providers of HMO properties in early December.
This has been driven by the cost of the arrangement amidst soaring demand but also the fact the City of Edinburgh Council is committing a criminal offence by paying operators who did not comply with its own health and safety licensing requirements.
The council is also in breach of its HMO licensing duty by maintaining to support homeless households in some unlicensed properties.

To achieve its goal of ending the unlicensed HMO arrangement, the council has suspended applications for social housing.
EdIndex, the Edinburgh housing portal used by homeless individuals to bid for council houses, allows people to get on a waiting list for longer-term solutions.
Empty homes are usually advertised online but the site has been temporarily paused due to “unprecedented pressures”.
Non-essential repairs have also been paused until January to prioritise work to get more unoccupied or void homes back into use.
Mr McGowan said around 174 of these void council homes had been brought back into use in the past few week and around 120 more spaces for homeless people will be made available if current unlicensed providers’ applications to get HMO licences are granted in the next week.
The senior council official said the local authority is also working on another "commercially sensitive" arrangement to try and address the unlicensed HMO issue.
In May people presenting as homeless in Edinburgh, who were not already in temporary accommodation, were sent out of the city due to huge demand for hotel rooms created by Taylor Swift concerts.
 
More specifically it's the ones who spent the time/money/effort to get here legally who are absolutely sick of all the border hopping faggots causing shit and giving them all a bad name.
There's nothing people hate more when they jumped through all the hoops and did everything properly, than those who get treated like saints for breaking ALL the laws and on top of that, draw down heat on them, the ones who actually played by the rules.

Laws are meaningless, empty garbage if you don't punish the people who don't follow them and ALSO reward those who do.
 
There's nothing people hate more when they jumped through all the hoops and did everything properly, than those who get treated like saints for breaking ALL the laws and on top of that, draw down heat on them, the ones who actually played by the rules.

Laws are meaningless, empty garbage if you don't punish the people who don't follow them and ALSO reward those who do.
sorry to rant, or if this is off topic; this was the only applicable thread/mention i could find that was reasonably on topic to my gripes.

my friend is currently trying to move to the states from the uk because she's marrying an american; and they've had to hire a lawyer so she can legally get a visa since her esta has maxed out. it's that much of a fucking ballache. she's been waiting to start this process for almost a year. its genuinely so much of a bureaucratic mess.

it made her fiance a single issue voter (ish) regarding the us presidental election, and i can see why. if i had the opportunity to, i would have voted the same in the us election. she's been getting more and more conservative as she experiences the struggles of the immigration system - and its made the both of us bitter, more frustrated, and angry.

i don't want to stay in the uk. i have hardly any relatives alive here, and with the job i do, it just objectively pays better and gives me far better prospects if i go stateside. one of the biggest hurdles is not my qualifications, not my experience, not my fucking education - but getting into the country with means of sponsorship from an appropriate employer or otherwise via a green card a-la marriage. why should we, law abiding citizens who want to contribute to american society and be a part of it, pay our taxes, never have even had so much as a parking ticket, have to struggle this much to enter the country legally and with good means and reasons for doing so, yet pablo can just skip the border no problems asked and get his dicked sucked with benefits from the us government?

my friend's fiance has recommended me to try and scope for a husband for that sweet sweet green card - but that makes me feel sick to do. I want to meet someone i want to marry because i love them, not because of a necessity for legality, let alone for something as binding as a marriage. i don't want to shop for marriage - that feels sick. even if its 10x more difficult for me to enter legally, i would rather struggle and fight for my right to become an american citizen than do that. it feels like a betrayal against my principles.

i really hope every single one of those illegal fucks get deported, shot, fucking thrown into the sun, ad infinitum. i cannot stand them. they make my blood boil. i really, honestly do. it makes me sick that she has to suffer, shill out thousands of dollars for a lawyer, has to spend her time fretting about this, when she has done nothing wrong and simply wants to marry the man she loves. i just want to build an honest life and contribute to public good and get fair recompense for it.
 
Think Trump will be able to finish that wall in the next 4 years?
Not a chance in hell. I think you'd struggle to get a project that size done in 4 years just because of the usual government inefficiency/incompetence. However with the wall you're looking at the usual shitshow, combined with people who'll actively be attempting to sabotage it.
 
England's greatest minds have in ways been common sense types and sentimentalists, a mindset that does not appeal to intellectuals. Our philosophers, Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Mill, Spencer
As much as I always enjoy your posts, I cannot let you claim David Hume for the English. We might be a small nation, but we remain very proud of the Scottish Enlightenment.
 
As much as I always enjoy your posts, I cannot let you claim David Hume for the English. We might be a small nation, but we remain very proud of the Scottish Enlightenment.
I don't think I've ever before in my life heard the term "The Scottish Enlightenment".

It gives me a mental image of a Scotsman realising you can eat something that isn't fried with a look of wonder on his face.
 
I don't think I've ever before in my life heard the term "The Scottish Enlightenment".

It gives me a mental image of a Scotsman realising you can eat something that isn't fried with a look of wonder on his face.
You’ll hear it in Scotland and only Scotland. It completely ignores Newton and other English thinkers whist completely disregarding France too. They need something though, bless them.
 
Even immigrants don't always want more immigration. Many want to bring their families, friends, and "clans" here, but some have a different mindset.
Some of them realize the differences in races and would prefer to live among white people.
Immigrants mostly work low-skill/low-wage jobs and do not want other immigrants stealing them.
Immigrants are aware of the fact that if too many of them come here to live on benefits, there is a higher chance that the native whites will rise up and kick them out.
Being the only black in a community must have advantages, some women will view you as exotic and different and want to sleep with you, you can also get jobs like acting in adverts easily because your the only nigger in the area. people will want to be friends with you in order to prove they're not racist because they've been misled into thinking that makes them morally superior to those who are.
Niggers generally lower the quality of life of other niggers, which is why there isn't a single pleasant African country. they drive up crime rates in all categories and even attack each other while giving each other a bad reputation.
I'm sure you could continue identifying more reasons why some blacks don't want more immigration, but you get the point, and the fact of the matter is, is that most aren't intelligent enough/self-aware enough to have those views.
It's similar in Hiberian land. Just compare the labour force census reports from 2006 to 2016. It's even worse now of course with no sign of stopping. Alt-media article seething about this.
Incentivisation of low-skilled immigration tends to lower wages across the low-skilled sector. From 2005-2019 64% of net new jobs went to non-nationals according to the Central Statistics Office (CSO), which partly explains why 23% of workers are currently in low-paying jobs. As it stands, the non-national population represents close to 20% of the overall population in the Republic.
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There's another guy who is now documenting a migrant hotel, this time up in Newcastle
https://x.com/gb_national/status/1860293118727196757 [A]
He drops some indictable facts near the end as well. These men are the heroes of Great Britain.

In his twitter bio he also links what is apparently a map of all known migrant hotels in the country (can't vouch for accuracy) https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...90&ll=53.9017282104501,-2.870309433285831&z=7
 
I don't think I've ever before in my life heard the term "The Scottish Enlightenment".

It gives me a mental image of a Scotsman realising you can eat something that isn't fried with a look of wonder on his face.
My man Hume ruined his health by refusing to give up eating shit and drinking even when his bro Adam Smith tried to give him an intervention. The national character runs deep.

Meanwhile Adam Smith's old house in Kirkcaldy in which he wrote most of The Wealth of Nations now has a Greggs on the bottom floor. I feel he would approve.
 
You’ll hear it in Scotland and only Scotland. It completely ignores Newton and other English thinkers whist completely disregarding France too. They need something though, bless them.
I feel I have to defend the Scottish in this. They were late to the party, but they took to it with the sort of enthusiasm they'd normally reserve for deep-fried haggis pakora. The Scots became the backbone of British engineering and manufacturing, philosophy, science, and just about everything else for a good couple of centuries.

It's all in the oats, you see. As Boswell put it, "Doctor Johnson proposed to define the word ‘oats’ thus: ‘A grain which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people.’ And I replied: ‘Aye, and that’s why England has such fine horses, and Scotland such fine people.’"
 
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