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[quaawaa]

You're the one saying "When everyone else says 'drone' they mean 'x'. "

You dont speak for everyone else.

The original post was about a bunch of Chinese light show drones making F-35s obsolete. No one was talking about unmanned vehicles until you changed the subject.

 

[FlappyBat]

He's just gonna keep sperging until The World apologizes to him and says actshuallly he was right all along, isn't he?

What a maroon. His best bet would be to shut the fuck up, crawl in a hole for 3.5 years, and come back low key and hope most normies forgot how bad he fucked up.

Shit, even Frank Luntz managed a comeback of sorts, and for what ever reason, some people still listen to Karl Rove after "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"

He's making it worse. It's over, and he's making it worse.

All the guy had to say was "the keys I developed give a framework for people to analyze the environment an election takes place in and predict its outcome with high probability using that framework. I believe Donald Trump is a deplorable man with bad ideas for our country and that colored my evaluation of the keys. Other people successfully used my frameworks to predict this election even when I did not. That is what is so powerful about it. The keys gives a common structure for people with different view points to evaluate an election and give evidence to their prediction even when they disagree with me."

But instead of spinning this as a win for his work he went with "I am the key master and I will not be blasphemed against."

 

[Breadbassket]

With the recent news of Susan Collins becoming the Chair of a Senate committee here is some important material relating to it. She currently is the Vice-Chair of it as of this time.


Some information for the responsibilities of the Senate Appropriations Committee:

In parallel with a mirror-image committee in the House, the Senate Appropriations Committee is responsible for assembling the annual legislation that funds most federal departments and agencies. It has 12 subcommittees that correspond to the 12 spending bills into which the legislation is organized. The leaders of the Appropriations Committee are the chief negotiators on matters such as allocating overall budget levels among the 12 spending bills and reconciling the House and Senate spending proposals. They also have considerable influence over funding for programs in which they have a particular interest.

The subcommittees listed below are responsible for developing spending proposals covering almost all federal activities in the physical sciences:

• The Commerce-Justice-Science Subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes NASA, the National Science Foundation, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
• The Energy-Water Subcommittee’s jurisdiction encompasses the Department of Energy, including the National Nuclear Security Administration.
• The Defense Subcommittee is responsible for the Defense Department’s budget, including its research, development, test, and evaluation portfolio.
• The Labor-HHS-Education Subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Education.
• The Interior-Environment Subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes the U.S. Geological Survey and the Environmental Protection Agency.

 

[Overly Serious]

air superiority is one of the most important parts in any modern war though. Just look at the Ukraine Russia war, if either side started flying jets more often then the war would have been over in like half a year.

Which begs the question why in that case neither side has done so. And the main answer is that air defence has outpaced fighter jets. Missiles can fly and manoeuvre more quickly than manned jets, they are significantly cheaper and you don't lose a professional trained over years when one blows up. Is a missile better than a fighter jet? No. Are missiles better than fighter jets? Increasingly so. Simply put, the tech for a missile to hone in on a target smartly is getting better and better. The need for bombers gets less the better long-range and medium range missiles get.

I'm not saying they're useless. They're not. But they're expensive and are getting more and more countered every decade. The Russians held back using them due to Western supplied AA to Kiev. Kiev begged for two years for F-16s and since getting them have kept them well away from the front-lines where they would be most useful. Two of the F-16s donated were blown up on the airfield by missiles reportedly. And as to the third they lost, well...

Spoiler

Shipping is not cheap, however, it was the cost of regulations that prompted people to outsource. If these barriers to entry, which raises the cost of having a buisness here are removed, more factories and busniesses may return to the US, no tariffs needed.
I just think this is a better way to do it than tariffs

A lot of those regulations are there for a good reason. Some aren't - of course. But for many of them the best thing wouldn't be to suspend them ourselves but to force those we buy from to comply. A lot of those are environmental ones but it goes for safety and other measures. It's not only wages the West has to compete on, but a culture that has to have suicide nets underneath their windows and is okay with pumping its workers lungs full of carcinogens eight hours a day.

Nigga, Hillary's dead from alcohol poisoning

If Hillary were dead we'd be seeing the devil walking around up here.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

air defence has outpaced fighter jets

This is more or less correct. That is why the F-35 was designed to blow things up from a safe distance. US military doctrine all the way back to WWII has been "blow things up from a distance."

 

[Overly Serious]

Susan Collins?



Ah, fuck. I can't believe they've done this.

Can someone explain to me who Susan Collins is? Is she a RINO? The Dems appointed a Republican before they get booted out? What's going on here and what does it mean?

 

[The best and greatest]

The original post was about a bunch of Chinese light show drones making F-35s obsolete. No one was talking about unmanned vehicles until you changed the subject.

That's the video he was commenting on but it doesn't mean that's the whole of what he was speaking to.

Drones encompass more than quad-coptors and Elon may be a sperg but he's smart enough to know that, as are most people without needing to have it explicitly spelled out for them.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Can someone explain to me who Susan Collins is? Is she a RINO? The Dems appointed a Republican before they get booted out? What's going on here and what does it mean?

Susan Collins is a RINO from Maine. She's been involved in politics since the 1970's and I have no idea why she is even a Republican. She is pro choice, she is anti-gun, she loves illegal immigrants, and she openly said she wasn't voting for Trump.

The only things she's done right were confirming Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. She did not vote to confirm Amy Coney Barrett. She has also been friendly to removing ridiculous environmental energy regulations but, culturally, she's a stupid bitch.

 

[Overly Serious]

This is more or less correct. That is why the F-35 was designed to blow things up from a safe distance. US military doctrine all the way back to WWII has been "blow things up from a distance."

And the further away a fighter has to stay from the action, the less it has an advantage over just firing a missile for a fraction of the cost in the first place. As I already pointed out, the F-16s that were given to Ukraine have achieved almost nothing because it would be too great a moral loss and PR hit to fly them to where they'd be useful only to see them shot down by Russian air defence. I don't think anybody is claiming that an F-35 is useless. They're saying it's a bad bargain and that its replacement will be a drone (well, except for MIC profits might dictate otherwise).

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

Who will lead the democrats in 2028? I don't know, but I do know they're pretending to be republican for the next four years.

Are there any younger Kennedys who might be willing to take a break from being useless nepo-baby faggots to do something approaching actual work? I'd think maybe the butthurt over RFK getting closer to the White House than any of them have managed in a good long while and "betraying" family loyalty to the Dems by taking a job with Trump might incite one of them to quit coasting on stale 60-year-old glory. I don't know why their name recognition does any good with the average Dem voter these days (or why anyone thinks political dynasties are a good idea in general) but it does, so provided they aren't all completely retarded I bet one of them could probably pull it off.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Where's the lie? He's 100% correct here.

As already mentioned, they do 3/5ths of the job at less than a fraction of the cost. There is no need to spend the amount of money 1 F35 costs with how fragile they are when you can get quite literally over a million drones at the same cost. It doesn't matter how "good" or "technically advanced" it is. It does not justify the cost, it isn't cost effective, and it's a complete backwards piece of technology. Quantity is a quality of its own and the more technically advanced faction with the more elite troops and training lost the last major war.

whatever a drone can't do, artillery and a missile battery can. you could probably rig up 20 drones like a balloon to carry an ultrasonic missile pod and do the same thing as an f35. we could get to a point where infantry is replaced with armed drones and the need for ifvs, apcs, and tanks for goes away. they're already using drones stateside for police surveillance, with further advances you can get small ones to follow cops and then replace the cops altogether with a drone armed with a gun and a tazer.

i love tanks but their strategic use is getting diminished with every advancement of drone tech. what we need is a Minovsky particle or something to get rid of drone use.

 

[Overly Serious]

Susan Collins is a RINO from Maine. She's been involved in politics since the 1970's and I have no idea why she is even a Republican. She is pro choice, was she is anti-gun, she loves illegal immigrants, and she openly said she wasn't voting for Trump.

So how was she appointed? By actual Democrats? They're openly admitting that the Republican party is controlled opposition now? What happens when Trump gets in? Does he remove her? Is he not able to? I'm trying to understand the significance of this.

Also, I think I'm done with the drone/fighter discussion. Probably best in a thread of its own so I'm dropping from that one.

 

[Dr J]

He's just gonna keep sperging until The World apologizes to him and says actshuallly he was right all along, isn't he?

I mean, he actually does think that he's a God and that Chunk Yoghurt blasphemed against him, so that all sounds about right

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

So how was she appointed?

She is a Senator. She was elected because Maine is full of people from Massachusetts who moved there.

Edit: I'm a retard and didn't understand your question.

Mitch McConnell is stepping down and giving Collins the position. She gets the position by default because she is vice chair. I assume that McConnell is picking her because she's next in line and, despite the fact that she is a RINO, she does have extensive financial experience and was a former administrator in the Small Business Administration (among other positions in business-oriented Congressional committees and state treasuries). She knows how to run the committee, but I do not trust her to do so in a way that will help populist conservatives.

 

[Betonhaus]

Who will lead the democrats in 2028? I don't know, but I do know they're pretending to be republican for the next four years.

Pretending? They will take over most of the negative political stances the Republicans had 20 years ago. They've already absorbed the warmongers.

Wait for the moment it clicks that them going balls deep in trannies cost them the election and they have a 180.

 

[gachadegenerate451]

whatever a drone can't do, artillery and a missile battery can. you could probably rig up 20 drones like a balloon to carry an ultrasonic missile pod and do the same thing as an f35. we could get to a point where infantry is replaced with armed drones and the need for ifvs, apcs, and tanks for goes away. they're already using drones stateside for police surveillance, with further advances you can get small ones to follow cops and then replace the cops altogether with a drone armed with a gun and a tazer.

i love tanks but their strategic use is getting diminished with every advancement of drone tech. what we need is a Minovsky particle or something to get rid of drone use.

All you'd need to do to fuck with an enemy force at that point is blow up a server room or a satellite or wait until it gets really windy or rainy. Even really big UAVs are basically kites flying on an internet connection. You're basically arguing to replace all the dials in out military with a touchscreen.

 

[The Nothingness]

Thune showing his true colors. The democrats now control the senate.
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[mlanguishi]

I'm seeing a lot of this kind of talk hoping Prager dies.

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

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Make America Great Again !

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

And the further away a fighter has to stay from the action, the less it has an advantage over just firing a missile for a fraction of the cost in the first place. As I already pointed out, the F-16s that were given to Ukraine have achieved almost nothing because it would be too great a moral loss and PR hit to fly them to where they'd be useful only to see them shot down by Russian air defence. I don't think anybody is claiming that an F-35 is useless. They're saying it's a bad bargain and that its replacement will be a drone (well, except for MIC profits might dictate otherwise).

It just seems like common sense that they're not going to risk a trained F-50X pilot or whatever when he can be doing the same job safely from a shipping container at a base in San Diego. That's how they've been flying drones for 15 years so it just seems logical. Plus all the cost savings and weight reduction per airframe not needing life-support systems on-board.