Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Russia isn't seeing air-to-air combat,
Outside of the initial meeting engagements at the start the air battles have been basically a missile launch fest at max range, burn tail and run since this is a (near) peer fight.
So the thing is with SAMs and aircraft is that both are going to be suppressive rather than destructive.
An older SAM doesn't need to kill the enemy aircraft to do its job, if it can get the opposing aircraft to either 1) abort or 2) hit-the-deck and dive below radar (and thus reduce the effective range of their own weapons).
Now the same thing applies in reverse, where an aircraft armed with an ARM doesn't need to kill the SAM to do its job (or defend itself) if it can get the enemy SAM to shut off its radar.
Gulf War (1/2 I don't remember) had up to 60% of missions as SEAD for the Western forces. That was modern equipment versus fucking 60s equipment. Good lucky getting any proper strikes in that aren't outside the engagement envelope for SAMs.
 
Russia is also being much more cautious with their fighters; they can make a reasonable assumption that NATO won't be sending boots on the ground into Moscow, especially not without a LOT of forewarning/build-up, but sending F-35s to or tomahawks to give Putin a hearty sack-tap is always on the menu and they need to be ready.

Hawks are going to be plenty lethal against Su-24s and (su-25s if they can get them) but mostly its for drones and slower cruise missiles.



I'll believe that Russia had lists of who to round up - I recall they had them for Mariupol and Kherson - so that part I believe. The shit about the mobile crematoriums seems like the tales of the Holocoaster. But who the fuck knows, they were shoving civies into mass graves in Bucha.


That number includes children from the Donbros iirc.
Donbaweans honestly are Gods most Oppressed minorities.
Refuse to fight, Russians kill you.
Go fight, Ukrainians kill you.
The only silver lining about Bucha is at least all the preparators are almost certainly dead or maimed horrifically.
I hope they're in constant, unending agony.
 
Gulf War (1/2 I don't remember) had up to 60% of missions as SEAD for the Western forces. That was modern equipment versus fucking 60s equipment. Good lucky getting any proper strikes in that aren't outside the engagement envelope for SAMs.
A lot of that had to do with most other missions having a SEAD component, either prep or escort.
 
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source - honestly given how Russia puts up statues of Stalin (it has so many already of Lenin and closed down a museum dedicated to communist atrocities, it's Ukraine that rips those statues down like in Kursk), this is on a water is wet level. The A&N retards who love Red Russia are basically communist rubbish.
I don't doubt that this is at least partially true. Especially now, do you think they'll just let all the people who fought against Russia live if they happened to somehow win? After seeing how petty and brutal Russians can be, you know the answer.
 
Why would Bundanov lie? I mean, besides the fact it's his job too. Even by Russian standards this sounds alot like the Iraqi army throwing ICU infants out windows.
It also sounds like typical zigger ramblings. Russians write about what they want to do to Ukraine in the same cadence as Ethan Ralph or trannies write about null.
 
The HAWK is old, but considering it's going against increasingly older or monkey made russia tech its useful.
Spain is sending more of it's Phase III HAWK batteries. While they are early 90s tech, the upgraded radars can handle simultaneous intercepts of multiple targets. Making them great for dealing with saturation attacks by large drones and cruise missiles.

Ukraine has received somewhere between 15 and 20 HAWK III batteries from Spain, Sweden, and Taiwan. That's 6 launchers, 3 missiles each, 2 search radars, and 2 illumination radars per battery. Plus all the spare HAWK III missiles the US could find.
 
Russian superjet number one, comrades. Enjoy fire.

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Surprising that everyone seems to have survived. Last time this happened, dozens died because fellow Russians trampled each other while attempting to rescue their luggage.
 

Zigger brotherhood and intelligence on full display. Russian Combat Engineer gets run over by Russians while trying to warn them of mines only for the vehicle to touch off said landmines a second later. I don't know what Russian slavaboos see in these moronic snow niggers.
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Isn't it something like 800,000 Ukrainian children have been disappearing into Russia, never to be seen again?
Yes taken and no records kept so it's almost impossible to find them without extraordinary effort. Some get returned, thankfully.
Why would Bundanov lie? I mean, besides the fact it's his job too. Even by Russian standards this sounds alot like the Iraqi army throwing ICU infants out windows.
The only thing that tells against it is that it makes the Russkies seem more organized than are usually. Why burn or bury when they can be left rot as they do with contractors? It'll terrify the people too. I'd say it was at least envisaged by the Russians (recall the mass atrocities in Chechnya and Georgia or even earlier the aftermath of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when German and Soviet occupiers arrested and killed societal leaders as needed), but any mobile crematoria are likely now used to burn contractors (or sailors like the Moskva sailor remains, men who are almost all 'missing') for whom they don't want to pay death benefits, and just class as missing.

Kaluga Oil depot (311 miles NW of Ukraine) hit

Basically eight drones hit the oil depot of JSC Kaluganefteprodukt on Grabtsevskoe Highway on the night of November 24-25. Kaluga. original source





edit: beaten to the punch on the oil depot, but I added some extra bits.
 
I've mentioned this in the thread before but I am shocked by how well the Hawk is working. Common wisdom was that the Hawks were there more for morale than actual defense, at least compared to their Soviet counterparts. But apparently they don't suck in actual combat.
The story of this entire war has been how NATO shit, even crappy last Gen stuff is overperforning and Russian stuff is under performing.

Invincible Russian Armor columns getting wrecked by Turkish Bayraktars and man portable AT weapons was not just the start. I really don't know how the Russian arms export market recovers from this. The only people who will want their shit will be African warlords. And that only for Russias reputation to not ask any questions. Given a choice even the Congo niggas would prefer NATO stuff.
 
That's really brutal tbqh. The Russian Army is going to be seriously hollowed out for a generation because of this. The loss of Lieutenants and Captains in particular is going to bite them over time.
They were probably counter revolutionaries. If it weren’t for this war they could have maybe potentially posed a threat to Putins power base.
Donbaweans honestly are Gods most Oppressed minorities.
Refuse to fight, Russians kill you.
Go fight, Ukrainians kill you.
The only silver lining about Bucha is at least all the preparators are almost certainly dead or maimed horrifically.
I hope they're in constant, unending agony.
In all seriousness I suspect that Ukrainians supporting Russia have had the worst casualties of the war. Which would impact their ability to control and/or manipulate Ukraine.
 
Invincible Russian Armor columns getting wrecked by Turkish Bayraktars and man portable AT weapons was not just the start. I really don't know how the Russian arms export market recovers from this. The only people who will want their shit will be African warlords. And that only for Russias reputation to not ask any questions. Given a choice even the Congo niggas would prefer NATO stuff.
Russian armor got a boost in threat reputation due to the Yugoslav wars, where especially Serbian crews were racking up armor kills with T-72s in numbers not seen since WWII. This did a lot to erase the shame of Desert Storm, and provided cause to put a lot of the failure of Iraqi armor on deployment/tactics (which were sub-optimal to say the least) and less on the hardware being dogshit.

The caveat there is that this these armor battles were WARPACT-on-WARPACT equipment. Because Ukraine has shown that no, WARPACT-pattern armor is in fact just that terrible when put against NATO equipment and almost everyone owes Saddam's army an apology.

A 92N6E radar station and two launchers were also destroyed.
OOF. Not only does this show S400 is able to get stomped by ATACMS but those RADARS are irreplaceable now.

Just a reminder for the less milspergy:
S400 is Russia's latest "production" (for various values of "production"; they have more 12 of them) SAM system. Remember SAM designations can get pretty fucky because launchers going back to the SA-2 launchers can be integrated into S-400, and the S400's can use one of several RADARs, including integration to fixed RADAR stations.

For comparision the S-300 has a max engagement range of about 25 miles, but the S-400 has a theorhetical max range of 240 miles (this is very likely Red Cope based on overly optimistic projections of Missile Range and clear-sky RADAR detection; realistic operating conditions against targets that aren't just straight and level target drones will have that more like 100 miles, low flying targets are also limited to 25 miles like the S300). What this means is that S300 is vulnerable to HARMs; the AGM-88 can be launched outside of the S-300's engagement bubble. S-400 can in theory engage beyond the range of the HARM AGM-88's provided to Ukraine; the AGM-88G has a range of 160 miles which puts it on the edge of an S-400's realistic max.

So what this means is that Russia has a big hole in their airdefense network that was filled with a system they cannot currently replace, except by pulling systems from elsewhere. This means something to the west or degrading overlapping coverage over the front itself, and if at the front the gap would need to be filled by S300s that would operate from inside the range Ukraine could HARM them.
 
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I've mentioned this in the thread before but I am shocked by how well the Hawk is working. Common wisdom was that the Hawks were there more for morale than actual defense, at least compared to their Soviet counterparts. But apparently they don't suck in actual combat.
The story of this entire war has been how NATO shit, even crappy last Gen stuff is overperforning and Russian stuff is under performing.
I'm kinda surprised how the early-gen Patriots are performing.

Something that blew me away watching S-400's get whacked by ATACMs and seeing Patriots knock down Khinzals is how quality wise the systems are a lot closer to comparable than initially projected.
I'd spent the better part of a decade in the Milsperg community just living off the assumption that Russia had across-the-board better quality of air-defense, and it wasn't until literally watching cluster TacBMs from the 90's whack Russia's allegedly invincible anti-plane anti-missile anti-everything SAM shield while America's "can't even beat Saddam's SCUD clones!" is able to knock down allegedly un-interceptible missiles that I truly realized just how utterly infected the internet had become with Russian propaganda.
S-400 can in theory engage beyond the range of the HARM AGM-88's provided to Ukraine
In theory. In practice "Radar Horizon" is a thing.
 
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8 soldiers of Svoboda Battalion of the 4th National Guard Rubizh Brigade defended a strongpoint near the village of Spirne near Siversk for 67 days - from July 10 to September 16. For the last three weeks, they fought in complete encirclement and fought off the last enemy assault when Russian assaultmen stormed their position and pelted their dugout with grenades. The commander of the position was a 25-year-old platoon leader, Senior Lieutenant Vladyslav Stotskyi. Volunteer soldiers from Svoboda Battalion fought alongside Vladyslav. All of them had no military experience before 2022. On September 16, a Russian assault team attacked the strongpoint with two tanks, two MT-LBs, and an infantry fighting vehicle, from which an entire assault platoon disembarked. Svoboda Warriors repelled the attack and destroyed the entire enemy assault team. Military correspondent Yurii Butusov recorded this interview with Vladyslav a day after he left the strongpoint on the orders of the command and led 6 soldiers out, so he is full of emotions. The body of his brother-in-arms Oleksandr Khomiak, who died a brave death in close combat with the Russians, could not be taken out of the encirclement. I highly recommend to watch this interview. It shows the incredible efforts and sacrifices Ukrainian soldiers are making to defend every meter of their homeland. Everyone needs to know this.
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