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Barleys
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It's so unprecedented for Hunter to be pardon for a literal decade of crimes, with an overarching standing of things he wasn't convicted for either
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Doesn't that mean he can end up in a horny dilemma? Either accept the pardon now and avoid whatever is coming immediately, or accept the pardon, and later be forced to testify against himself (immune) and his family?
I suspect he dies of natural causes coincidentally within the year.
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I think part of it is to see how Trump world will react to the pardon. Its an attempt to get him to go after Biden and give the leftists something to rally around for 'muh democracy'.
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Democrats still don’t agree on the seriousness of their political problem after election defeat
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Steve Peoples and Joey Cappelletti
2024-12-02 05:07:55GMT
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Steve Peoples and Joey Cappelletti
2024-12-02 05:07:55GMT
NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly a month after a devastating election loss that exposed cracks in the very foundation of their party, Democrats remain deeply divided over the extent of their political problem — or even if they have one.
A number of Democratic leaders are downplaying the strength of Donald Trump’s victory over Vice President Kamala Harris as the inevitable result of an inflation-fueled anti-incumbent backlash that shaped elections worldwide. But others are convinced that the Democratic Party is facing an acute crisis that requires an urgent overhaul of its brand, message and economic policies.
Trump swept every battleground state on Nov. 5, becoming the first Republican candidate to win the national popular vote since George W. Bush in 2004. Yet nearly half the country voted against him. With the final votes still being counted in some places, Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points. He carried the seven top swing states by about 760,000 votes combined out of more than 151 million cast nationwide.
“The glass is half full. It was close. If we get another 2% or 3% of American voters, it would have successfully led to victories from the presidency on down,” says Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, who is leading a group called Governors Safeguarding Democracy.
But for Ken Martin, chair of the Minnesota Democratic-Labor-Farmer Party and a candidate to lead the Democratic National Committee next year, the election represented “a damning indictment” for the Democratic Party.
“People do not believe that the Democratic Party is fighting for them or for their families or gives a damn about their lives,” Martin told The Associated Press. “We lost ground with almost every group except wealthy households and college-educated voters.”
The internal debate over the health of the party comes at a critical moment.
Trump will return to the White House on Jan. 20, claiming a mandate to enact a dramatic “Make America Great Again” agenda led by the mass deportation of millions of immigrants in the country illegally; an overhaul of the federal departments of health, education and justice, and major import tariffs that threaten to strain the U.S. economy and international alliances alike.
Democrats, even diminished and divided, stand as the only organized resistance to Trump and his emboldened MAGA allies. But for now, at least, the Democratic Party has no leader and no agreement on the political problems that need to be fixed or how to fix them.
Many Democratic groups and leaders are working through post-election analyses to better understand what went wrong on Nov. 5, but few are working together. And already, some fear that the disparate post mortems will produce competing recommendations likely to be lost in a rush to leave the pain of 2024 behind.
Priorities USA, one of the Democratic Party’s leading super PACs, is set to unveil its post-election findings this week. The group will recommend, among other things, that Democrats do a better job listening to voters instead of pollsters, while offering a more forward-looking positive alternative to Trump’s MAGA movement.
If they do not make significant changes, according to a preview of that briefing, Priorities believes there is no guarantee that key elements of the Democratic base — especially young people and voters of color — will return to the party in future elections.
Some of the loudest voices calling for dramatic changes represent the party’s far-left wing, which is often ignored by establishment Democrats who control the party’s messaging, strategy and policy platform. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders irked some party leaders the day after the election with a scathing critique: “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.”
“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change,” Sanders continued. “And they’re right.”
In the weeks since, California Rep. Ro Khanna, a Sanders ally and a potential future presidential contender, has been urging his party to overhaul its economic message. Specifically, he’s advocating for a “New Economic Deal” focused on creating high-paying jobs for the middle class.
Khanna’s chief of staff, Marie Baldassarre, said that some Democrats may be coming around to Khanna’s message and his willingness to share it on podcasts and right-leaning outlets such as Fox News.
“I don’t know how you look at this election and don’t take a beat. This is the time to change,” Baldassarre said. “Why wouldn’t we do some work right now? We didn’t resonate.”
Democratic strategist Waleed Shahid, a former spokesperson for Justice Democrats and the “Uncommitted” group that was critical of Joe Biden’s primary nomination, said Harris’ loss revealed that the party “has a major problem with bleeding working-class, low-information, non-college voters.”
He notes that some Democratic leaders have responded with a collective shrug.
“Many of the people at the highest levels of the party feel pretty lost,” Shahid said. “I’m skeptical that they’ll be able to create the kind of coalition they need for transformative change over our lifetimes.”
The national committee’s upcoming election to select a new leader serves as a litmus test for the party’s direction.
The DNC is expected to elect a new chair in February after a series of four candidate forums in January, according to an internal memo released last week. It remains unclear if delegates will embrace a high-profile outsider or an insider more familiar with the intricate workings of the party’s political apparatus.
Few are calling for wholesale changes.
Wisconsin Democratic Party Chair Ben Wikler, who announced his candidacy for DNC chair on Sunday, said Democrats must embrace a new communication strategy to connect with voters who don’t pay close attention to politics. He complimented Trump’s command of the media landscape and suggested that his own party pay more attention to non-political and right-leaning podcasts and news networks.
Wikler was skeptical, however, that the 2024 election results signal a political crisis for his party.
“What we saw was a narrow shift to the right driven the most by the people most affected by inflation, who were paying the least attention to the news,” he said. “That does not suggest a permanent shift towards Trump. I think that there’s a very real opportunity for Democrats to win back ground.”
He added: “I also think that Trump is very likely to more than repeat history and be a disaster.”
A number of Democratic leaders are downplaying the strength of Donald Trump’s victory over Vice President Kamala Harris as the inevitable result of an inflation-fueled anti-incumbent backlash that shaped elections worldwide. But others are convinced that the Democratic Party is facing an acute crisis that requires an urgent overhaul of its brand, message and economic policies.
Trump swept every battleground state on Nov. 5, becoming the first Republican candidate to win the national popular vote since George W. Bush in 2004. Yet nearly half the country voted against him. With the final votes still being counted in some places, Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points. He carried the seven top swing states by about 760,000 votes combined out of more than 151 million cast nationwide.
“The glass is half full. It was close. If we get another 2% or 3% of American voters, it would have successfully led to victories from the presidency on down,” says Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, who is leading a group called Governors Safeguarding Democracy.
But for Ken Martin, chair of the Minnesota Democratic-Labor-Farmer Party and a candidate to lead the Democratic National Committee next year, the election represented “a damning indictment” for the Democratic Party.
“People do not believe that the Democratic Party is fighting for them or for their families or gives a damn about their lives,” Martin told The Associated Press. “We lost ground with almost every group except wealthy households and college-educated voters.”
The internal debate over the health of the party comes at a critical moment.
Trump will return to the White House on Jan. 20, claiming a mandate to enact a dramatic “Make America Great Again” agenda led by the mass deportation of millions of immigrants in the country illegally; an overhaul of the federal departments of health, education and justice, and major import tariffs that threaten to strain the U.S. economy and international alliances alike.
Democrats, even diminished and divided, stand as the only organized resistance to Trump and his emboldened MAGA allies. But for now, at least, the Democratic Party has no leader and no agreement on the political problems that need to be fixed or how to fix them.
Many Democratic groups and leaders are working through post-election analyses to better understand what went wrong on Nov. 5, but few are working together. And already, some fear that the disparate post mortems will produce competing recommendations likely to be lost in a rush to leave the pain of 2024 behind.
Priorities USA, one of the Democratic Party’s leading super PACs, is set to unveil its post-election findings this week. The group will recommend, among other things, that Democrats do a better job listening to voters instead of pollsters, while offering a more forward-looking positive alternative to Trump’s MAGA movement.
If they do not make significant changes, according to a preview of that briefing, Priorities believes there is no guarantee that key elements of the Democratic base — especially young people and voters of color — will return to the party in future elections.
Some of the loudest voices calling for dramatic changes represent the party’s far-left wing, which is often ignored by establishment Democrats who control the party’s messaging, strategy and policy platform. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders irked some party leaders the day after the election with a scathing critique: “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.”
“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change,” Sanders continued. “And they’re right.”
In the weeks since, California Rep. Ro Khanna, a Sanders ally and a potential future presidential contender, has been urging his party to overhaul its economic message. Specifically, he’s advocating for a “New Economic Deal” focused on creating high-paying jobs for the middle class.
Khanna’s chief of staff, Marie Baldassarre, said that some Democrats may be coming around to Khanna’s message and his willingness to share it on podcasts and right-leaning outlets such as Fox News.
“I don’t know how you look at this election and don’t take a beat. This is the time to change,” Baldassarre said. “Why wouldn’t we do some work right now? We didn’t resonate.”
Democratic strategist Waleed Shahid, a former spokesperson for Justice Democrats and the “Uncommitted” group that was critical of Joe Biden’s primary nomination, said Harris’ loss revealed that the party “has a major problem with bleeding working-class, low-information, non-college voters.”
He notes that some Democratic leaders have responded with a collective shrug.
“Many of the people at the highest levels of the party feel pretty lost,” Shahid said. “I’m skeptical that they’ll be able to create the kind of coalition they need for transformative change over our lifetimes.”
The national committee’s upcoming election to select a new leader serves as a litmus test for the party’s direction.
The DNC is expected to elect a new chair in February after a series of four candidate forums in January, according to an internal memo released last week. It remains unclear if delegates will embrace a high-profile outsider or an insider more familiar with the intricate workings of the party’s political apparatus.
Few are calling for wholesale changes.
Wisconsin Democratic Party Chair Ben Wikler, who announced his candidacy for DNC chair on Sunday, said Democrats must embrace a new communication strategy to connect with voters who don’t pay close attention to politics. He complimented Trump’s command of the media landscape and suggested that his own party pay more attention to non-political and right-leaning podcasts and news networks.
Wikler was skeptical, however, that the 2024 election results signal a political crisis for his party.
“What we saw was a narrow shift to the right driven the most by the people most affected by inflation, who were paying the least attention to the news,” he said. “That does not suggest a permanent shift towards Trump. I think that there’s a very real opportunity for Democrats to win back ground.”
He added: “I also think that Trump is very likely to more than repeat history and be a disaster.”
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Sure Hunter is safe. But now it opens him up to questioning without 5th amendment protections. Hunter wasn't the only one in that scheme and now the Senate or the DoJ can shake that tree and see who else is connected.
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The Bidens are sad to inform the public that Hunter committed suicide by three gunshots to the back of the head.
Also welcome back frens
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Trump might not have done a unilateral pardon covering 10? years which includes things they haven't found yet. Joe's did.
Biden's DOJ probably ignored something or many things that Hunter did, because they're all corrupt but the Bidens are especially corrupt. Trump's DOJ, and especially any special prosecutors he might set up, would have only been held to not do so via the honor system. And the Bidens have no honor.
Trump could do something hilarious and set up a special prosecutor to find out where the fuck all our money went in the Ukraine, not just during the war but over the past 20+ years of foreign aid, which again, they had Hunter (through Barisma) dead to rights embezzling. He could then make a big song and dance about finding stuff that Hunter did, announcing all the evidence they have, but "unfortunately thanks to the actions of the previous Dem Administration, we can't do anything about this."
Remember also that Biden was promising not to pardon Hunter as late as... what, last week? I'm guessing talks between Trump and Biden about it broke down.
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Oh boy, more jobs for the laptop caste! More overpaid "consultants" for every business! More bureaucracy! My tax money going to big corporations so they can hire more people to study how to hire more minorities and
It's too bad most Americans still hear "New Deal" and think "good", otherwise this shit would be dead in the water. This garbage is pure corporate welfare, the very heart of the Democrat Party. No matter how much they screech about Elon Musk, the Democrats are, and always will be, the party of oligarchs, billionaires, and the elite.
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What? So not just sucking any dick but Fuentes?! No wonder the forum exploded.
"If I watch two dudes fucking to laugh at them it ain't gayI didn't know why the Farms was down until late last night. I assumed it was another troon attack.
The real reason is much more hilarious, but also kind of fucked up. The story in of itself is funny, but the "high demand" to watch the video ... Guys, some of y'all are sick, lol.
!"Silly goose, Hunter doesn't have any evidence about the Clintons!
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Those fucking retards are never going to figure it out. I said a while back before the election that the Democrats needed to lose big to be anything resembling a competent party. Could be too early to tell but something tells me that they're going to screech and cry without doing anything useful for themselves even after the obvious flaws.
What they truly need to do is what Republicans did over the last four years. Locate and boot out your retards. I just don't think they have it in them though. They're more than happy to mock their enemy but they're not that good at it, definitely not as good as people on the right, but they all refuse to point at some cum guzzling drug addict like Destiny and go, "This guy is a retard, don't listen to him."
Have fun with that guys.
Sister Miriam Godwinson
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I am sorry, but this is some banana republic tier level shit.
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Nancy Pelosi booted out all the remotely same Democrats 15 years ago. The closest that passes for "sane Democrat" is now a far-leftist like Andy Beshear in Kentucky or that senator in Montana who lost this election and nobody wants that shit, not even Democrats.
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I didn't realize 10 years covers every day he was on Burisma's board getting kickbacks for selling influence and access to the Obama admin. That was probably not accidental.
I wonder how this changes the calculus going forward. Someone earlier in the thread suggested that this means the Dems can't say shit about Trump's cabinet picks now cause, Biden pardoned Biden for any and all crimes Biden may have committed, including ones Biden did that Biden's DOJ claimed to not have known about. Could this be one last gift from Joe to the party that fucked him after 40 years of service?
Or is this maybe a hint that the Trump-Biden agreement fell apart? No Biden pardoning the 1/6ers, so Trump will have to do it. At least this makes it so they won't be able to scream about Trump actually, you know, doing it.
I wonder how this changes the calculus going forward. Someone earlier in the thread suggested that this means the Dems can't say shit about Trump's cabinet picks now cause, Biden pardoned Biden for any and all crimes Biden may have committed, including ones Biden did that Biden's DOJ claimed to not have known about. Could this be one last gift from Joe to the party that fucked him after 40 years of service?
Or is this maybe a hint that the Trump-Biden agreement fell apart? No Biden pardoning the 1/6ers, so Trump will have to do it. At least this makes it so they won't be able to scream about Trump actually, you know, doing it.
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It's not unique. Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he hadn't even been indicted for. It's certainly retarded, but it's not unprecedented:
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Ford was just covering Nixon's bases by having a blanket pardon for his tenure as president. Seeing what TPTB did to Trump I don't think it's a bad move.
But there is a difference between a blanket pardon covering a president's time in office after a controversial exit to prevent retaliation VS blanket pardoning a full decade of a private citizen's life for no APPARENT* reason. Hunter was charged and convicted for specific crimes, Biden could have just pardoned those. It would still be scummy, but it wouldn't have raised eyebrows like what he ended up doing.
*I know he was up to a lot of shit in Ukraine and other things, but the public doesn't know/care yet.
Garm
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The forum I use as a barometer for how important an issue is has completely ignored this topic. This means this is an absolutely devastating thing and they will attempt to carry on as if it never happened.
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Another one for Defiant Ls.
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How are the lefty true believers handling this? The shills and the like? I imagine they don't want to talk about it. Probably will get their talking points soo... Oh shit, he did this Sunday afternoon. This is all that anyone's going to talk about for the next week. Hah!
And who is in charge right now? Kamala's out. Biden's out to lunch. We've all just agreed not to ask and it's funny, but weird.
And who is in charge right now? Kamala's out. Biden's out to lunch. We've all just agreed not to ask and it's funny, but weird.
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I have seen plenty of whatabohtism in regards to Trump's pardons.
Reddit is citing the pardons Trump gave out in between claiming that the charges against Hunter "weren't a big deal anyway".
Anyone pointing out that Biden had said he wouldn't grant the pardon as recently as a couple of weeks ago is being downvoted to oblivion.
"It's ok when we (D)o it".
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