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I have literally no idea where anybody was getting that hopium.
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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Back in 1939 I believe this was called 'appeasement' in trying to avoid war. Look how that turned out.
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Well, the issue at this juncture is the war happened, and its time to realistically assess what can be done to end it. Ceding land is certainly an option, but it can't happen in a vacuum by itself.
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I won't speak for anyone else, but what I said was something like this:
Putin didn't invade during Trump's first term because he was in fact afraid of Trump's response. Trump had already demonstrated willingness to escalate to killing leaders rather than following the "scaled response" strategy of previous presidents. The Don allegedly threatened to blow up Moscow if Putin went for Ukraine, so he stayed in his cuck palace and cried about it until Biden said it would be ok for Russia to take a little bit of territory as a treat. The invasion happened within a month or two of this statement, shortly after the Chinese olympics.
Trump is unpredictable and egotistical. He will try to create a great peace plan for Ukraine, in order to show himself as better and smarter than Joe Biden and the Democrats. It is very likely that Putin will make irrational and unreasonable demands for concessions that would make Trump look weak, and he hates looking weak almost as much as he hates looking not orange. His response at that point would most likely be to pivot to outdoing Biden's military support. I also added that there's a not insignificant chance, once he's in office, that he'll re-assess the information available to him and skip straight to the end.
Russia has only issued conditional statements in support of Trump's election victory this time around. This indicates Putin is still wary of how Trump will react and does not perceive favourable conditions going forward. Meanwhile, Trump has remained friendly with Zelensky (a few shitposty twitter jabs aside) and has more than once remarked that Z sided with him during the impeachment, which points to a continued favourable view of the man.
I also pointed out that the Kursk incursion happened after Zelensky met Trump face to face, which could be interpreted as Z setting up a stronger negotiating position once Russian is brought to the negotiating table. Giving up land could just as easily mean giving up Kursk in exchange for Russian withdrawal from Ukraine, resetting to the status quo ante, where the east becomes a de-facto "independent" buffer zone, as it was prior to Russia's invasion. Putin won't be able to accept this as he wants land all the way to the dneipr and Ukraine land-locked, and will almost definitely break any treaty within weeks of it being signed, which leads back to the aforementioned scenario where a now ego-damaged Trump pivots to violence.
This was all speculation and projection, based on Trump's prior behaviour. No guarantees were ever given, but I am fairly confident that we will see something like this play out.
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Contrast the Russian mobile mobik crematorium w/ Kurdish armored landcruiser:
Protesting in Tbilisi:
Ukrainian tank crewmen enjoying some downtime:
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*looks at the wheeled mine in amazement* "They drive now?!"
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Saw Chain. Those cutters flying everywhere are gonna be nasty.
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1) Trump, like any politician and businessman, flip-flops.
Given that historically it was Trump who gave Ukraine Javelin ATGMs (when all the Dems said that would be muh WW3) and who was the first to openly attack an installation of the Syrian Arab Army (which the Dems also claimed would be muh WW3); there was much less pro-Russian action in Trump's resume. Trump, unlike most Dems and much unlike the GOP establishment who cannot comprehend why Trump keeps winning, understands he's at the mercy of the base and not vice-versa. Prior to taking office Trump has zero incentive to contradict much of anything given that much of his base is guzzling alt-news points which are saturated with (stupid) anti-Ukraine narratives.
Meanwhile, on the other end of the private phone calls, the Ukrainians show no serious "sweating" about the new administration.
2) Trump doesn't play by the rules.
Trump gave the order to grease Soleimani when the entire political establishment screamed NO U CANT DO THAT!!!
Meme and clown on that dipshit Gerasimov all you will, but at the end of the day the fucker can read westoid diplomacy and westoid fears like a playbook (in part because the west is always dumb enough to broadcast their moves).
Someone like Trump who is completely capable of playing the unpredictable chaos agent and completely wipe their ass with the rules is a hard-counter to not just Russian but the entirety of "axis of resistance" global faggotry.
(or at least he would be a hard counter if he would use it, which now it appears to be a low-hope situation that he will
)3) Lastly, if you truly want to see America restore its former glory - as someone like myself does - you know Russia, Iran and their gang of "AoR" shitheads need to take hard-L's. Ergo, because your mind sees the obvious connection between a global Russian loss and a global American victory, you assume someone else who wants to see America win can connect the dots and reach the same conclusion.
Unfortunately this may not be the case.
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I personally prefer the Goliath, oddly cute for a little murder machine.
The worst peace plan lol. If this is really it then Ukraine is fucked and only further improves Chinas confidence in attacking Taiwan.
Let Russia go off the hook, lift sanctions and welcome it back in the main stage. Sounds like Musk had some influence on that. No punishments, nothing. Disgusting.
It also doesn’t matter if you support Trump or not, we should be able to be a-political when it comes to this. This is objectively a terrible peace plan that has no security guarantees for Ukraine and if there are so called “China hawkes” in government then this is even more retarded.
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I really don't know who Trump thinks is going to help us against China if he keeps selling out our allies.
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Selling out and backstabbing allies is an American tradition starting with Truman selling out the Republic of China in flavor of Mao. For Taiwan, Nixon sold them out again in flavor of Mao just to fuck with the Soviets.
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America doesn't lose wars, it loses interest.
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Thanks to Putin's bloody conquest of an already dirt poor strip at an astoundingly slow rate (even now), NATO forces are already on the border.
There will somehow have to be a solid period of responding to missile launches with long range weapons to even disturb Putin's course. Kursk patently doesn't matter too much for him. Putin can still find a enough dirt poor minorities to keep the war going, to slaughter even more white people. His subjects won't rebel even with inflation likely approaching 80% not the official 8%. The Soviet conscription of even the youth from affluent families with the confidence and contacts to protest has been carefully avoided.
It also isn't clear how the autocrat Orban and his mini me Fico can be bypassed. Orban's authority is weakening with a former Fidesz leader Magyar gaining momentum. Hungary is doing poorly economically. Anyhow it'll take time. Obviously, Putin's word is reliably worthless, so NATO membership is a minimum. Some US pledge from isn't worth too much. A lot of US allies from South Vietnamese to Afghans discovered the value of those.
A ceasefire with no NATO membership, defacto ceding of land and softened sanctions will mean just a pause for Putin so he can try again later when the opportunity arises.
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All of this assumes that Trump isn’t bound to do the bidding of Putin either because he’s completely compromised (as in, owes at least his first election to him, and/or there are piss tapes), or just wants to let him win because he’s his kind of guy.
You can say “oh but he defied Putin in this or that move in the past” - you don’t think stuff like that can be orchestrated and agreed in order to let him look tough, with a longer term objective in sight?
Trump and Russia have so many lines of communication it's not funny. As does Musk. They’re just not on our team, this has been apparent for years.
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Giving any credence whatsoever to this bullshit, after a decade of literal nothingburger accusations, is retarded and you should feel retarded for even mentioning it.
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Any day now patriots any day now
It's still a funny meme though if only because it brings out the truly deranged (on both sides).
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I'm not the biggest fan of Trump and despise Putin, but from my perspective this is all nonsense. The smear campaign against Trump by intelligence community in collusion with the media became painfully obvious over the years, and nothing they say holds any credibility.
Regarding Trump cozying up to Putin, Kim and the like, I just see it as his baseline approach to negotiations - better start with a carrot before resorting to the stick, especially if you know that initiating with the stick makes establishing dialogue impossible.
With that said, I very much want to see him take out the stick at this point. Dems not only gave Putin carrots, they sucked his carrot in order to appease him and he fucked them in the ass with it as a reward.
As for Musk, he's just so gigabrained that he wraps all the way around to being retarded, to the point he fell for rightoid memes and blatant Kremlin propaganda. The amount of anti-Ukraine goofballs around Trump is indeed worrying, but I'm not buying this whole angle about Trump being Putin's stooge.
As a side note, my personal opinion of Trump. I find the way he speaks odd and at times retarded, he has a fatal flaw of wanting to be liked by everyone and needlessly compromising to that end, he's not extraordinarily savvy and not exactly spotless (generally petty shit like fucking washed up pornstars or the kind of financial fuckery his detractors engage in as well).
What makes me think he's the drop of poison US needs to kill the virus that's destroying it, is the fact that the entire deep state machine worked tirelessly for years to ruin him in every conceivable way - their fear toward him means they see him as a threat, which is a good thing in my eyes. Unelected bureaucrats trying to run shit contrary to the will of the people are some of the worst fuckers imaginable.
Thus, Trump appears to be net positive, considering the circumstances. And his policies seem fairly reasonable.
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I mentioned it because it’s a meme, shorthand for any leverage the KGB might have over Trump out of the 20+ year history of dodgy dealings in and with Moscow, with Epstein, with the Russian agents who showed up to run his campaign for free.
But more importantly he *openly* sought Russian assistance in return for policy in 2016, and received that assistance. That should be enough.
He’s their guy, I don’t know why people take offence at stating this. It’s like believing Nick Rekieta saying he doesn’t do drugs after appearing on camera with coke on his nose.
What will it take for you to buy it? Implementing the Kellogg plan? That looks pretty damn stoogey.
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Who's to say it's final or that Trump would even go forward with it? And it's not like Ukraine is just going to accept unfavorable terms, US could withdraw all their aid, it doesn't mean Ukraine would just roll over.