🐟 Fishtank Sam Hyde's Fishtank.live General - Jet Neptune's Little House of Horrors

[skrod]

The mistakes that killed season 3:

1. Bringing Alex's wife and Wild Randy on the same night/ having Frank target Alex B first.
Controversial as this night was a highlight of the season and maybe the entire series. Alex B seems to have been intentionally pushed to leave by production. Bringing his wife on very predictably would result in him leaving since she wanted him out of there so badly that she called the police on the show. Miraculously, they convinced the ogre to let him stay another day by fake eliminating Binx (Alex still said he would leave if the wife showed up again). Having Frank go after him the same night, and then the next day while his actual target was Connor caused Alex to leave. It also didn't help that Sam screamed in his face and was extremely disrespectful to him as he made a big scene of leaving. Alex B leaving meant that Burt had to be relied on too heavily for content, resulting in Burt being the only highlight of the show up until Luke came back. Sam + Jet L.

2. Voting Eliminations / Famous House 2.0.
Voting eliminations are responsible for engaging fish (villains) like Simbal and Mizzy to be voted out and for boring nontent fish like Payton to make it to the final 3 without having any drive or desire to be entertaining or win the show. Voting to eliminate people works in a true social game but fishtank is not that, its a game about surviving chaos and mayhem while being funny and interesting. The concept of Famous House 2.0 was kind of cool but was inherently flawed because it relied on voting eliminations. The fact that randoms who had been there for just a couple of hours had the power to eliminate one of the final four contestants who had survived true fishtank is absolutely bonkers. Though the fact that Simbal went through all of that only to be eliminated because of his AWFUL social presence and genuine slimey nature within a couple hours was very funny. If it happened to Burt, which it easily could have, it would be another story. The days of nontent in preparation for 2.0 really killed the momentum of the show for both the fish and the audience. For all of Jet's talk about "I'm proud of this gameplay" and "there's a 99% chance one of you wins", we can safely call this one a Jet L.

3. The RV Trip
The RV Trip is by far the worst idea the fishtank production has ever had. This one was actually Sam's idea and Jet even made sure to make crystal clear that this was "Sam's vision" when they announced it. Damage control much? I've seen a lot of people say, "Well at least they're trying something different." Trying new ideas and changing things up is great but only when it is PLANNED and not some low effort ass-pull. Bloodgames is a fantastic example of the crew trying something new and ambitious but actually planning and preparing for it with a much larger crew and organized activities and events (at least for the first half). It was fantastic. Call me crazy but I would've much preferred the final 8 days be nontent in the house where the streams are always live, you can switch cameras, and the wiggers can introduce new things into the show by bringing props or new/returning faces into the house. It would also be much easier for them to just sit on their hands for a couple days in the basement while preparing something big for the finale and setting the stage. This last week has been so bad that it actually has people nostalgic for the final week of season 2 which up until now was considered the low point for all of fishtank. This is a MASSIVE Sam L.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Man all I wanted was a hell house. Can they just go get a cheap beat up single wide trailer next time to absolutely wreck?

 

[neger psykolog]

I'm a former IP2. I haven't been there since Blade stopped streaming RV drunk streams. They don't need a StarLink, all they need is a fucking LiveU. Even Ethan Ralph had one of these. They cost about $3000, but you can rent them as well. It's a piece of equipment that utilizes 4 SIM cards simultaneously to maintain a super HD-capable video signal.

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I think when they're driving it won't matter if they have 4 SIM cards. I don't know much about US cell coverage but I have heard that it is shit in non-metro areas. I am guessing that they were driving into actual coverage blind spots (that is if you were suggesting this for their RV). Perhaps I am wrong though and this backpack would solve all of their issues.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Jet Neptune is only 25 years old. Few people that age have the experience to realize/seek out stuff like this and they almost always have a heavy degree of arrogance that goes away with age (arrogance especially comes with internet fame and running a show like Fishtank and being on the MDE crew). That is one of the reasons why I am pretty forgiving of Jet, he needs to experience quite a few failures of his own making to become a bit more humbled and to realize the importance of planning + execution and just general project management. He does look like he has been working to the absolute bone during this season, so it is definitely not for a lack of trying - but whether it is this piece of equipment or anything that has happened on Fishtank so far, there are certain things that one can only learn through real life experience (which includes failing a lot).

I'm unclear on the role of the rest of the wiggers on things when it comes to stuff like this, but Jet is the showrunner/producer at the end of the day (alongside Sam) and it is his/their responsibility to properly delegate stuff to their crew or find people who they can delegate to and trust for shit to materialize when it needs to.

The general format of Fishtank is very unpredictable also - they had no plans to stream in an RV/outdoors, so it does kind of make sense they didn't have this device to begin with. But the unpredictable format of it also means that they will be learning fast. Season 3 by all accounts seems to be massively improved from previous seasons so hopefully they are taking this learning experience for all it is worth and trying their best to fix things as they come up a bit better.

Jet/Sam obviously want VC/investor money to take things to the next level - but that is dependent on them being able to show that they can figure shit like this out when it is needed. It also helps for them to be earnest and talk about failures openly later down the line. I know Jet in particular was noted for his arrogance about several things (accusing other shows of copying fishtank and also causing poorly received edits of S1 that pissed off the fans + Frank Hassle) but he does seem to at least be starting to be a bit more humble.

 

[banquet]

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

They were driving on interstate highways all the way to Vegas. Even in the middle of the desert there is nearly 100% LTE or 5G coverage on the highway. Maybe the frequent stream dropping was caused by cell handover as they moved into range of the next tower. This is exactly what cell bonding setups like LiveU solve.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

US cell coverage is better than what people give it credit for. There are solutions. They could have implemented solutions. It's just low effort, low energy and has only been good when Sam is actively engaging the fish to do stuff. Past few days gave us hide and seek, a couple of physical challenges, and now street begging where half of them weren't entertaining. Just kick everyone but Burt, Luke....and maybe Jeff just because he's easily talked into doing embarrassing things.

 

[itogi]

It's 10:09 AM, no camera activity.

 

[Grim_Autismo]

Binx Mayhem might have just been her Model Mayhem name, but as far as I knew, MM was just where girls went to get scouted for stuff like SG.

Nah, there were legit modeling jobs on there. Whoa she's old af though if she was using MM, that's old-school. Are we sure she's not even older? That's like 20 years ago type shit.

I'm a former IP2. I haven't been there since Blade stopped streaming RV drunk streams. They don't need a StarLink, all they need is a fucking LiveU. Even Ethan Ralph had one of these. They cost about $3000, but you can rent them as well. It's a piece of equipment that utilizes 4 SIM cards simultaneously to maintain a super HD-capable video signal.

See I thought they had a LiveU but they didn't, they were wheeling a giant portable JBL speaker around like tards. Amazin!

I think when they're driving it won't matter if they have 4 SIM cards. I don't know much about US cell coverage but I have heard that it is shit in non-metro areas. I am guessing that they were driving into actual coverage blind spots (that is if you were suggesting this for their RV). Perhaps I am wrong though and this backpack would solve all of their issues.

They seemed to have been on I40 for much of their journey, and I've traveled it a few times. Coverage is actually not too bad; there are some areas where it does drop (Eastern NM, parts of OK, parts of UT, those will cut out here and there but never for a whole hour. It's intermittent for maybe 10 minutes going at 50mph tops.) I've gone north through the big empty and had pretty great cell service going up through Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, it's not that bad. The Dakota Badlands have some shit service, though. But that backpack is more for livestreamers in Vegas, you wheel around the backpack and it's keeping a steady signal for you so your stream never cuts out. It works well in metro areas.

 

[neger psykolog]

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

They were driving on interstate highways all the way to Vegas. Even in the middle of the desert there is nearly 100% LTE or 5G coverage on the highway. Maybe the frequent stream dropping was caused by cell handover as they moved into range of the next tower. This is exactly what cell bonding setups like LiveU solve.

Not going to disagree with you, because I'm also not sure, but mobile coverage in the US seems very spotty (depending on carrier):

https://www.nperf.com/en/map/US/-/3255.Verizon-Wireless/signal?ll=38.06539235133249&lg=-97.86621093750001&zoom=5

I don't know exactly what route/areas they drove in, but judging from the map/website above, it looks like some of the highways have only 4G/4G+/5G in certain areas - the stream didn't just cut for a few minutes but seemed to be totally unavailable for hours at a time so I don't think it was just a case of slightly spotty coverage.

But for sure, a paid/turnkey solution like that streaming backpack would probably do way better than whatever they were using. Starlink is possibly even better though, but if you're doing something like this with thousands of people watching (i.e. thousands of potential customers) you probably want the Starlink as well as the backpack and a dedicated person who just deals with the streaming shit.

edit: I'm also guessing based on what has been said that they relied on mobile phones for the "modem". You probably really want a dedicated, expensive 5G modem instead of a phone with multiple antennas and shit like that. Modern phones are great but they overheat and aren't designed to run at 100% usage.

 

[Kitty Cat Man]

Not going to disagree with you, because I'm also not sure, but mobile coverage in the US seems very spotty (depending on carrier):
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Wiggers are east-coasters, better coverage over there. Would not be surprised if they hadn't anticipated middle-America having only LTE on the highways.

 

[Grim_Autismo]

Not going to disagree with you, because I'm also not sure, but mobile coverage in the US seems very spotty (depending on carrier):
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https://www.nperf.com/en/map/US/-/3255.Verizon-Wireless/signal?ll=38.06539235133249&lg=-97.86621093750001&zoom=5

I don't know exactly what route/areas they drove in, but judging from the map/website above, it looks like some of the highways have only 4G/4G+/5G in certain areas - the stream didn't just cut for a few minutes but seemed to be totally unavailable for hours at a time so I don't think it was just a case of slightly spotty coverage.

But for sure, a paid/turnkey solution like that streaming backpack would probably do way better than whatever they were using. Starlink is possibly even better though, but if you're doing something like this with thousands of people watching (i.e. thousands of potential customers) you probably want the Starlink as well as the backpack and a dedicated person who just deals with the streaming shit.

edit: I'm also guessing based on what has been said that they relied on mobile phones for the "modem". You probably really want a dedicated, expensive 5G modem instead of a phone with multiple antennas and shit like that. Modern phones are great but they overheat and aren't designed to run at 100% usage.

Oh if you expect 4G+ coverage across a 10,000km landmass, you're not going to find it haha. LTE though, yeah. Most places I've traveled through have LTE, though I have been in some places where the network downgrades to fucking EDGE-only and I feel like I fell into 2007, it's amazing. LTE though isn't the worst, you can stream on it, but you are going to have signal degradation. I'm surprised they didn't have dual simcards so they could pick up other towers. Like this guy said:

Wiggers are east-coasters, better coverage over there. Would not be surprised if they hadn't anticipated middle-America having only LTE on the highways.

Yeah, pretty much this. If you've never been outside a major urban center, you may not know about how LTE is the standard pretty much everywhere else. But I don't even think they get 4G where they're located in the Fishtank house, so they should have known better.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

Wiggers are east-coasters, better coverage over there. Would not be surprised if they hadn't anticipated middle-America having only LTE on the highways.

I remember Sam going on a rant about how if you own a dog "in the city" you're an asshole because the only place where you can have a yard is "in the country". They are incapable of understanding that not every city is their shitty northeastern matchbox highdensity housing.

I imagine they think the suburbs are "in the country", so they were probably confused that there were places more remote than Salem.

 

[no-exit]

JONTENT

 

[Fake News Anchor]

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Me personawy, I dont twust da five gee, but da wifi signow is pwetty good up heeya.

 

[Its Vladi Bby]

I saw some of the clips, I guess they were funny in a vacuum but it's not my cup of tea. I don't watch IRL streamers, don't know what IP2 even means, don't care. I just don't think xqc walking around talking to randos is funny. That's not what Fishtank is to me.

They really did rip defeat from the jaws of victory this season.

I'll probably watch some of S4, but will never buy a season pass again.

I have no trust in Hyde at all to deliver anything competent. On one side of his mouth names his enemies, and with the other he desperately wants to work with and be accepted by them.

 

[TwistedFreak]

-Emergency Contact/Pulling Payton, Dad blames the mom. Payton was given a choice between continuing and not contacting them or calling them and leaving. Chose not to call home.

Is this why Payton was eliminated? I thought it was said previously that she had the chance to talk to her parents and she did not do it.

 

[Blitzsneed]

Is this why Payton was eliminated? I thought it was said previously that she had the chance to talk to her parents and she did not do it.

No, she talked to production one day before the RV trip and said she's pretty much done with the show. She and production had mutual feelings about it and they agreed upon dropping her off after the hotel downtime to get picked up and being replaced with Mizzy.

 

[Low IQ Doctor]

Is this why Payton was eliminated? I thought it was said previously that she had the chance to talk to her parents and she did not do it.

No, this was much earlier in the season. Payton describes the elimination as being mutual and I'm inclined to agree. She knew she wasn't going to win, Vegas is pretty lackluster for someone under 21, and she was dropped off relatively close to her car.

 

[Lowercase I internet]

Bringing Alex's wife and Wild Randy on the same night/ having Frank target Alex B first.

One could write an entire doctoral thesis on the night this stuff happened and the impact it had on the show going forward. But one of the more interesting things is how the whole scenario highlights the wiggers being aware of past mistakes, but still not following through because of emotional reasons.

Sam and Jet were quite literally begging Alex the first time he was threatening to leave, which is completely understandable. He was kind of the center of the house social web. His unhinged and unpredictable nature was invaluable in getting the other Fish active. I think Sam saw another Cole situation occurring (Cole was also the center of his season's social web) and, at least in the moment, was dead set on not losing another content driver in a similar manner. You could actively see him struggle with his internal rage at Alex for making him beg and his desire to throw those feelings aside to preserve the quality of the show.

It's a rare example of Production going hard on their main content driver and somehow they came out the other side, not only unscathed, but with one of the best days in fishtank history. They won. They gambled their best Fish and somehow kept them on the show with a clear path moving forward. They then doubled down on releasing Wild Randy early (which I think was done out of a desire to get revenge on Alex for making them beg), and still managed to keep him. They quite literally had their cake and ate it too. They weren't so lucky the third time around.

What hurts the most is the occurrences of that day opened up many content rich opportunities going forward that were both unique and low maintenance. But instead of taking one of those paths they just defaulted on the standard Hassling we've seen for two seasons now.

There's only so much goranian content one can endure before the show needs to shift back to a neptunian feel. Frank being released early was redundant because he is the definition of goranian content. The problem is you simply cannot top the goranian nature of a man being abused by a literal ogre wife and being made to suck her farts to a live audience of 20k. Frank doing his "I'm not touching you," shtick after we witnessed that seemed like bush league in comparison. There needed to be a neptunian focus following that day in order to regain the potency of goranian content once more.

 

[Lake Cresva Diver]

Summary of Payton Instagram Stream (Part 1)
-Father comes in pretty fast. He likes Fishtank. He approves of her hitting Frank.
-She's watching Season 2. She likes it, likes Trish. Has not seen S1, will do it next. Bloodgames is last. Wants to do some reaction content.
-Fury56 - Dad's nickname and favorite number. This is probably his bank password.
-Would be willing to do another show with Sam so long as she's aware of everything prior.
-Plans to continue modeling. May do some streaming.
-The dad knows about burting off and Stacy's daughter. Not concerned about Burt.
-Plans on meeting up with Sneed.
-Denies her lust for Luke
-Parents started watching around Halloween. Mother received a facebook message from a rando. The rando was apparently trying to start shit.
-Describes the elimination as a mutual agreement. Well taken care of.
-Mom liked Payton's Burt impression.
-Both Mom and Dad like Jobe. Jobe ends up joining at ~21:50. He's in Long Island and kind of drunk. Jobe didn't know about the RV.
-Dad says fuck Simbal.
-Dad recognized Alex Stein
-Dad does a Jeremy laugh around 20 minutes in.
-Kawan joins around ~27:30. Production used the same hotel for all the eliminated 2.0 fish. Luke is wearing Kevin's clothes.
-Dad's favorite moment is Payton giving the finger to the camera after finding out there was no Hulu
-Payton isn't sure if Jet and Jobe are cousins.
-Payton doesn't believe that Burt is acting. Just a very emotional guy.
-Dad does a Burt impression at ~40
-RV smells like nuts and butts
-House smelled like seafood, milk, beans, chili, and cigarettes
-Some of her family wanted to come and get her, didn't end up happening
-Familial "Let's Fucking Go" at ~42:30
-After elimination, she took an uber to her car. Went to Buc-ee's. Drove home.
-Payton is doing an RV trip for her 21st birthday, may go to Vegas.
-She kept the pirate outfit.
-Would be willing to join production. She believes they don't hire females.
-Jimmy kind of scares her. She probably doesn't know about the mallet incident.
-Smaack texted her, she's watching the stream, but was at work.
-8.6/10 likelihood of leaving after reveal. Decided to stay after Sneed and Alexis left, seemed to think it wouldn't last as long as it did.
-Production has said that they will ship the gifts to her. Currently back at the house.

Summary of Payton Instagram Stream (Part 2)
-Hasn't watched a lot of Sam's content outside of FT.
-Sneed joins around ~2:30. 40 minutes of him.
-Her dad's coworkers know about it. I believe he works for Dairy Queen corporate, work on that sponsorship Jet.
-Payton saved Sneed's shoes and coconut oil. Still back at the house.
-Dad says that Mizzy was a downgrade.
-Sneed calls the RV boring.
-Brandon situation. Sneed suggests that she shouldn't be involved with Brandon - not necessarily a condemnation of the actual act, more so just suggesting to stay away from the subject. Brandon has messaged her, she hasn't responded. Still doing the getting all the facts thing.
-Sneed has a German Shepard-Husky Mix
-Payton has seen the stepdaughter's posts, both Dad and Sneed are telling her that it's a bad idea. She is less committal.
-She didn't understand Famous House 2.0, why bring them on just to get them off?
-Payton loved Star.
-Payton refers to Skye as the girl with the wig. Was uncomfortable, hates physical touch.
-Jeff. Jeff told Payton that he has been in contact with the wiggers for 2 years. There was apparently a video game show before this that never materialized.
-Brief reaction to Act IV. Watching Burt hold a snake.
-Sneed believes that Binx knew about the show before hand. Believes Mizzy knew about the show through her brother. Ted elimination was unfair. Simbal relayed the gaslight about him winning - was told by production that they needed a person of color to win this season. Apparently Simbal is still upset.
-Going over the Simbal elimination. Payton describes him as being messy that night. She thinks he was unsettled due to Luke's appearance.
-Going over the drink splash with Frank. Got scared, went to cry. The water bottle dump was fine. Simbal overreacted with the charging cable.
-Sneed likes Jobe, doesn't see him as having a brain of his own. Thinks Jobe was hilarious but seems kind of pissy about nigger/Ian incident. Sneed respects Sam.
-Bloodgames question. Payton is wishy washy, wants things detailed, Sneed is willing to come back.
-Sneed has been in communication with Ian for a while, Ian told him nothing about going back on. Doesn't understand why he came back.
-Long discussion about stealing the candy. Sneed was the mastermind.
-Sneed says that Shaddi, Frank, and JC are really cool. They think Shaddi was from S1 - no apparent knowledge of bitchtank.
-Payton used to spar with her Dad. That's how she learned how to punch.
-Sneed is gonna help Payton with content creation, gonna get her on twitter.
-Dad doesn't know who JC is, JC joins around ~44:00
-JC has been busy with school, now 19. Sounds like she hasn't seen that much of S3.
-JC explains that she was the only non-fan of S2.
-JC recounts Scott's karate lessons. Describes TJ as physically weaker than her.
-What has JC done after the show? Are you in the entertainment industry? No, she's interested in PhD programs.
-Payton hears phantom TTS notifications. JC seems to indicate that this is a common issue with previous contestants. Also has dreams about being on stream.
-Emergency Contact/Pulling Payton, Dad blames the mom. Payton was given a choice between continuing and not contacting them or calling them and leaving. Chose not to call home.
-JC's Dad had to track down her phone to figure out that she was on Fishtank.

>-Payton hears phantom TTS notifications. JC seems to indicate that this is a common issue with previous contestants. Also has dreams about being on stream.

Burt is gonna be randomly freaking out for the rest of his life at these.

 

[Giant Machine]

The fact that randoms who had been there for just a couple of hours had the power to eliminate one of the final four contestants who had survived true fishtank is absolutely bonkers. Though the fact that Simbal went through all of that only to be eliminated because of his AWFUL social presence and genuine slimey nature within a couple hours was very funny.

I don't care what anyone says. Sam telling them to protect each other then Binx immediately turning around and organizing everyone to kick Simbal was the strongest move made by a fish all season.

Seething Simbal deserved it imo. He should have kept his anger in check and his mouth shut over Luke.