Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

Honestly, at first I thought the number was 66.7%, and that didn't look as bad.

6.66%? What the fuck are they doing with their time? If you can't handle a hotline with just trans people, clearly incompetent teens and volunteers without personal numbers, its time you reached out to cis and LGBT members.

This is just pathetic.
 
6.66%? What the fuck are they doing with their time? If you can't handle a hotline with just trans people, clearly incompetent teens and volunteers without personal numbers, its time you reached out to cis and LGBT members.

A very limited amount of potential volunteers are going to be able to get past the TLL trifecta of no active rescue, no accountability, and Greta using the organisation as her personal platform. So yeah, there may well be plenty of cis and LGBT people who believe in the concept of a hotline for trans people, but they're not going to volunteer their time or their money to TLL if it means actively or tacitly endorsing the other bullshit.
 
Guys, I just thought of something.

What if Nina isn't actually free? Maybe she was already deported or murdered in prison and Greta is simply stringing everyone along so she can get donations for legal fees! Using old or photoshopped pictures and logging into Nina's Facebook she creates the appearance that Nina is still alive and can constantly create new crisises to exploit for gofundme bux for years to come. Since Nina's actually dead she could just spend all the money from her legal defense on weed and sex toys. Then after a few years when the gofundmes stop getting money she can be like "Welp, Nina was just deported because she's Trans, fuck you trump" then start collecting money to bring Nina back and fix this injustice. She'd be rolling in cash for nearly a decade.

It's the ultimate scam!
 
Guys, I just thought of something.

What if Nina isn't actually free? Maybe she was already deported or murdered in prison and Greta is simply stringing everyone along so she can get donations for legal fees! Using old or photoshopped pictures and logging into Nina's Facebook she creates the appearance that Nina is still alive and can constantly create new crisises to exploit for gofundme bux for years to come. Since Nina's actually dead she could just spend all the money from her legal defense on weed and sex toys. Then after a few years when the gofundmes stop getting money she can be like "Welp, Nina was just deported because she's Trans, fuck you trump" then start collecting money to bring Nina back and fix this injustice. She'd be rolling in cash for nearly a decade.

It's the ultimate scam!

The sad part is that the TLL brigade, which includes some very educated and successful people, would fall for this hook, line, and sinker. They already do. Because... #believe (trans) women, even if they're bona fide grifter narcissist deadbeats.
 
Guys, I just thought of something.

What if Nina isn't actually free? Maybe she was already deported or murdered in prison and Greta is simply stringing everyone along so she can get donations for legal fees! Using old or photoshopped pictures and logging into Nina's Facebook she creates the appearance that Nina is still alive and can constantly create new crisises to exploit for gofundme bux for years to come. Since Nina's actually dead she could just spend all the money from her legal defense on weed and sex toys. Then after a few years when the gofundmes stop getting money she can be like "Welp, Nina was just deported because she's Trans, fuck you trump" then start collecting money to bring Nina back and fix this injustice. She'd be rolling in cash for nearly a decade.

It's the ultimate scam!

That's seems to much like work for Greta unless she palmed off most of the work to volunteers

Personally I'm more of a fan of a weekend at bernies scenario
 
"Nina?" Come on. Real eyes realize real lies: "Nina" was a false flag. She can't be "murdered" --she's been a RealDoll(tm) this whole time!

I like the idea that RealDoll (tm) would make a fat, hairy, psoriasis covered, Indian dick-girl with flap jack tits. When RealDoll's market goes really niche.
 
Addenda @LordKaT's intensive report on the responsiveness of TLL has been included under the Special Intel and Analysis on TLL's Call Responsiveness category, and he has been given an Honorable Mention. Forum post is here

I just came across Greta's FB comments of eagerly awaiting the chance to use weapons on Kiwis two days before the trip to Null's house. I don't know how I overlooked those in the OP. That category has been amended accordingly.

Somehow I neglected to include several of Null's posts on his tracking of call statistics through his mole. And I forgot to include a critical exchange in the Manapan/Greta drama, too! Those are now included.

For those who want it, the simpler version of this which covered only the first 50 pages is here


So, I have managed to scan half of this gargantuan thread (the other half was generated just within the last 30 days) for useful posts and files since starting this project. I have created several new sections. In the evidence section (by far the main one), categories were created or divided into two now that there is so much more material and topics. I've refreshed archived copies a few times, and sought out material at the source and archived it a few times. It would be helpful if someone can search for the URLs of the most impactful FB or Twitter posts which were screenshotted and posted in the forum, or to provide the links if they already have them. I will include them in this and future incarnations of this.

IIRC the remaining major subject without substantial documentation is the Immigration Saga. The Manapan vs Greta/TLL ordeal I haven't completed documenting but I've made headway. I hope there's more information to be found on their newer creation TAP, and also on Jaden.

I discovered people can place spoilers within spoilers. That's really cool! Though, I must have spent another 1-2 hours today creating this post on creating new spoilered sub-categories within spoilered categories to make reading the larger categories slightly less overwhelming.

I've been asked to overhaul the main wiki on TLL as well, so I will attempt that tonight right after reading alerts and PMs and posting a version of this in the data dump thread.

I expect to make another post such as this at about the 3/4 mark, then a final one after finishing processing this thread. If there are major pertinent threads I haven't perused by then, I'll scan those after finishing gleaning what I can from this.

There are a few matters which I am unsure about because of lack of evidence or explanation which I've come across so far. One example is Greta/Kjel abandoning her children. She can defend a marriage disintegrating due to her transitioning or whatever, but not just cavalierly totally leaving her children or wife. If those accusations or possibilities are true, they could be quite destructive and would add to the increasingly overwhelming body of evidence against them. When I have reviewed everything, I will then know what pieces I lack, and will ask the forum for them to be provided or pointed to.

After I have acquired as much information as I possibly can from Kiwi Farms in general and start working on a final master version, I will refine it in various ways ranging from better wording to better categorization. I also intend to create a category of evidence which contains the most damning evidence against Greta/Nina/TLL, so that someone can very efficiently be turned against them with minimal investment of time with just the leading category. This will help fellow Kiwis who are just discovering this understand why these are bad people, but it will also greatly assist outsiders who will be unlikely to feel up to going through many forum posts of ours to find what they need.

If I have the time and it seems to be a desired thing, I will try to add a section about a general offensive strategy against them. What I mean is, there are various things which can be done about their misconduct, ranging from addressing concerns about them to various LGBT organizations, to relaying necessary information to immigration officials, to miscellaneous other things which don't constitute trolling or harassment. It might be helpful to provide a loose outline on what to do and how.

There are several people I feel compelled to congratulate personally despite having worked on this damned post for several hours already. They expended an abnormally high amount of stamina and time acquiring and presenting evidence, and as someone who's become preoccupied with the same thing, I feel I should praise them.

@Smutley performed a massive level of research on Greta's FB history and provided numerous damning posts from her. In fact, he provided so many assorted posts on so many multiple occasions that I even had to give his contributions their own fucking category, and I may have spent another hour on this trying to properly include fragments from his revelations into other appropriate categories.

@yawning sneasel earlier in the thread provided multiple items and performed analysis of some of them, including such things as their 2015 report (which I believe TLL removed, far too late obviously) and conflicting call statistics in their own report. His contributions were very important. I remember seeing him exert himself similarly in other circumstances. Enemies should fear him if he takes an interest in them.

LordHaruchefant/Sebastian was an absolutely outstanding case that inspired this general section. I don't remember the last time I have been so intensely impressed with a person's objectivity and presentation skills. He a member of several demographics we tend to ridicule as a whole here: transgender, Tumblr user, furry, mentally ill, antipathetic towards Kiwi Farms. He had every reason to say fuck KF and side with TLL when he heard of the controversy. Instead, while condemning our general culture, he created a series of Tumblr posts which excoriated Greta and TLL. In fact, I believe I saw some of the FB posts I'd later refer to as evidence on his blog BEFORE I saw them here. I'm unsure of how much he relied on us to make his own compilation, but probably he utilized this thread or a Kiwi he knew to some degree.

The post that's most widely known, the "Part Deux" one (http://archive.is/JrxPk), was noticed by TLL and they made a rebuttal on it (http://archive.is/fTDHZ), which he then responded to (http://archive.is/KucP1) probably after he incurred some harassment for it. He also made one on the Waite suicide (http://archive.is/KucP1). He also made a few other posts, but those three are the most substantive.

Anyone here who's a Tumblr user and is able to should thank him for risking and incurring harassment and abuse by siding with us and their other detractors. He spent a fair amount of time and emotional health trying to promulgate the truth about Greta/Nina/TLL despite having every reason not to. Very rare combination of objectivity and courage.

@Manapan I haven't documented many of her contributions yet, though I'm aware of them from having been reading this and other threads before embarking on this project. She is the widow of Elizabeth Waite, the case Greta and Nina injected themselves into in an extremely offensive manner. Greta basically told Manapan to go fuck herself after she objected to her grandstanding on her corpse. After a rapprochement between her and us Kiwis, she has launched a brutal offensive against Greta as an ally. She's very emotionally invested and I'm sure Greta and Nina would like to retaliate for her insolence, so she needs to be singled out and congratulated as well.

@Null expended a great deal of time acquiring and publishing statistics on TLL's call responsiveness. Without his efforts and without the mole within TLL, most of the section pertaining to this general saga would not exist because that critical evidence would not exist. Fantastic intelligence operations! We all hope Great Marshal of the Kiwis Null has been able to shit in peace since that fateful day in August.

@LordKaT published a detailed report on call response after running an experiment over a period of almost 4 months. 5 of his 83 calls during 9-9 on weekdays were answered by a TLL volunteer, 2 of which behaved poorly. https://kiwifarms.net/goto/post?id=1997538#post-1997538


Evidence Against Greta/Nina/TLL


* Greta states she is eager to use a crossbow on enemies, states she's sharpening knives in anticipation of such encounters, expresses a desire to "destroy these bastards". All of this was 2 days before the attempted confrontation with Null https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans-lifelines-greta-martela-greta-gustav-kjel-anderson.23222/
* Greta shows off knife purchase in Athens, GA https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...reta-gustav-kjel-anderson.23222/#post-1659989 https://archive.is/HzWpz
* Greta brags about going to Null's house unannounced and demonstrates aggressive intentions https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-3#post-1661672
* Null elaborates on events and provides text/online exchanges https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-3#post-1661701 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-5#post-1662053
* Greta and Nina practice at a shooting range day after confrontation https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-10#post-1663849
* Null states he went to police twice, they said he's on his own https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-142#post-1910911
* TLL's 2015 report is here and https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-6#post-1662084
* Yawning Sneasel analyzes TLL's report and their claims of tripling call answering and demonstrates the claims are implausible. Their own 2015 call statistics state their answered call #/% plummeted. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-18#post-1669286
* TLL's very radical doctrine on police written by Nina https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-23#post-1672240
* Yawning comments on TLL's apparent preference for black and MtF trans people over others, TLL's radical about-face about using GoFundMe, apparent aversion to actively discouraging suicide to callers, various other troubling things https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-25#post-1673371
* Null provides TLL's operator training materials https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-47#post-1681967
* A_name_but_backwards reports the parts of the manual written by Greta convey misandry by only using female pronouns. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-48#post-1682089
* Yawning reports the manual forswears calling police on someone in every conceivable scenario https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-50#post-1682390
For fairness, an articulate defense of a no-involuntary emergency services doctrine is included. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-55#post-1683439
* Noted that there are typos in the section titles https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-63#post-1691817
* TLL explains rejections of porn company's donations, explains they pay 2,800 per month to operate despite having virtually zero operators per day https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-19#post-1670118
* TLL explains rejections of porn company's donations, states they pay 2,800 per month to operate despite having virtually zero operators per day https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-19#post-1670118
* Repentance notes TLL has removed their staff pages (and this remains the case) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-27#post-1673746
* Yawning presents multiple FB posts from Greta and Nina. Most notably, Nina and TLL's stated numbers of taken calls seem erroneous, Greta complains twice about severe anti-trans behavior, Greta says Nina was told by a DMV worker to pull her pants up (she must be a total fucking slob if that's true- she admitted it's not the first time, either) and they attribute it to racism, Greta was almost thrown out for her profanity. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-33#post-1676235
* After many observations of them having zero or one volunteer on duty at almost any given time, TLL revoked public access to the Hotline page. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-34#post-1676484
* Hellfire posts an excellent series of Tweets from several dissatisfied callers and TLL in response. I deem three Tweets most significant: 1.) Lucy says no staff were on duty AT ALL as opposed to none being AVAILABLE. 2.) TLL says they answered 9,000 calls in 2015, seeming to contradict higher numbers for the same periods. 3.) Shelly says their Twitter doesn't even allow DMs. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-37#post-1677511
* Smutley presents multiple FB posts from Greta. Most notably, three show her giving wildly inconsistent numbers on staff within a short period. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1906809
* Series of forum posts which demonstrate there's no excuse for TLL losing calls if people are on duty, or failing to redirect calls to other they cannot answer (NOTE: the "call throttling" was disabled by TLL) One Two Three Four Five Six
* TLL's Hotline page with the FAQ and volunteer roster is hidden very soon after we find it, but archived versions remain. 287 volunteers with under 10% have set schedules (NOTE: the bottom section of the FAQ people were horrified about was the default version and not TLL's) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-160#post-1918768 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-160#post-1918889
* TLL on FB lists various costs pertaining to operators, and indicate they need to hire paid operators for peak times. How the FUCK does it cost $200 to train an operator for 4-5 hours, and why do they need this when they supposedly have almost 300 volunteers? https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-162#post-1921092
* From Smutley's 2nd series, she admits receiving 24k/year as salary from TLL in 2015, and asserts TLL has only 200 volunteers on 04/08/15 but had 300 or 400 (she gave both figures) 4 months before. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907013
* Very low volunteer activity https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-10#post-1663401
* Tracking of # of volunteers on duty over course of several days https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-14#post-1665800
* After many observations of them having zero or one volunteer on duty at almost any given time, it's noticed TLL revoked public access to the Hotline page. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-34#post-1676484
* Null submits a recording of their 4-second answering machine greeting, which says in a rather unnatural and creepy voice, "No one is available to take your call. Try again later." https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-44#post-1680879
* Null analyzes internal data from TLL's call system, determines operators are answering extremely few calls relative to listed staff availability https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-45#post-1681105 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-46#post-1681934 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-46#post-1681940
* Null gives a couple of after-call operator reports, notes that most calls are lowest-severity Level 1 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-47#post-1681985
* Null confirms that those who are officially on call very often outright fail to answer calls https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-47#post-1682015
* Null presents more statistics on operators and taken calls, demonstrating one never sat on their assigned shift and 11 operators were on call during 53 hours https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-51#post-1682611
* Greta and Nina have put in zero hours, operators are on 50% of the time but answer only 14% of calls https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-56#post-1684360
* Null states his statistics have become more precise, 13% of calls are taken https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-56#post-1684384
* Median call length is 30 seconds, length of real answered calls is 15-120 mins https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-57#post-1684406
* In the preceding 24 hours, the answer rate is 1.1% https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-58#post-1685512
* Null's mole is discovered. Over the preceding week Nina and Greta answered zero calls. 331 volunteers are on record. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-62#post-1689550
* TLL's Hotline page with the FAQ and volunteer roster is hidden very soon after we find it, but archived versions remain. 287 volunteers with under 10% have set schedules (NOTE: the bottom section of the FAQ people were horrified about was the default version and not TLL's) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-160#post-1918768 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-160#post-1918889
* LordKat runs an experiment over a period of almost 4 months, and publishes findings of an answer rate of under 7%/5 of 83. Two of them were bad, one asking if he was trans and then hanging up when told "I don't know.", the other putting him on hold before being disconnected. Forum post, Findings #1, Findings #2, Podcast
* Nina encourages harassment of Null https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-4#post-1661801
* Nina sends a complaint to Cloudflare with multiple issues cited. The cited comments encouraging "doxing children" and "child pornography, drug dealing and terrorism" are so obviously facetious that either she knowingly lied or she's literally quite autistic https://kiwifarms.net/threads/2016-...pornography-drug-dealing-and-terrorism.23461/
* Yawning presents FB posts from Greta regarding her constant traveling, her assertion she hasn't had to go on call despite TLL being constantly understaffed, her frustration with other organizations not recognizing hers, and her distrust of police https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-28#post-1674312
* Various Tweets of Greta are submitted, one of the subjects being Greta blatantly endorsing misandry (general hatred of males) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-29#post-1674515
* Ambivalenz presents Tweets from Greta showing her becoming extremely hostile to someone civilly asking about volunteer screening quality https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-30#post-1674716
* Yawning presents multiple FB posts from Greta and Nina. Most notably, Nina and TLL's stated numbers of taken calls seem erroneous, Greta complains twice about severe anti-trans behavior, Greta says Nina was told by a DMV worker to pull her pants up (she must be a total fucking slob if that's true- she admitted it's not the first time, either) and they attribute it to racism, Greta was almost thrown out for her profanity. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-33#post-1676235
* Another example of Greta being profane and brutish with detractors and critics https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-147#post-1912435
* Greta blocks Manapan/Amanda Waite, the widow of Elizabeth, after she demands Greta cease agitating on the deceased's behalf http://archive.is/BGpAw https://www.facebook.com/gretagustava/posts/10209927029046502?pnref=story#
* From Smutley's 3rd series: Greta declares she would advocate violence to stop transgender "genocide" if she wasn't sure they would be exterminated in response. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-132#post-1908969
* From Smutley's 4th series: Greta brags about screaming FUCK YOU on companies' FB pages when she's displeased https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-156#post-1916387
* From Smutley's 5th series: Nina urges people to report KF to Cloudflare, and one sentence indicates she's deliberately trying to make us vulnerable to cyberattack. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* Yawning presents FB posts from Greta regarding her constant traveling, her assertion she hasn't had to go on call despite TLL being constantly understaffed, her frustration with other organizations not recognizing hers, and her distrust of police https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-28#post-1674312
* Greta states she hasn't checked e-mails in three WEEKS while on the road https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-66#post-1761544
* From Yawning Sneasel: TLL says it's out of resources, Greta talks about their huge roadtrip, calculations on call coverage done https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-16#post-1666936
* Greta states she hasn't checked e-mails in three WEEKS while on the road https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-66#post-1761544
* From Smutley's 2nd series, Greta asserts TLL has only 200 volunteers on 04/08/15 but had 300 or 400 (she gave both figures) 4 months before, and Greta talks about travel, vacationing, and her "Beaver Box". https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907013
* From Smutley's 3rd series, Greta speaks of another long roadtrip 1-2 months after the last one. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-132#post-1908969
* From Smutley's 5th series: 1.) Greta's miffed over organizations rejecting TLL's grant requests. 2.) 8,000 miles logged in the preceding month, presumably using TLL funds. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* From Yawning Sneasel: TLL says it's out of resources, Greta talks about their huge roadtrip, calculations on call coverage done https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-16#post-1666936
* Yawning presents FB posts from Greta regarding her constant traveling, her assertion she hasn't had to go on call despite TLL being constantly understaffed, her frustration with other organizations not recognizing hers, and her distrust of police https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-28#post-1674312
* Greta states she hasn't checked e-mails in three WEEKS while on the road https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-66#post-1761544
* Greta and Nina have put in zero hours, operators are on 50% of the time but answer only 14% of calls https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-56#post-1684360
* From Smutley's 2nd series: Greta states she's doing her "first TLL shift in a while" despite chronic operator shortages https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907013
* From Smutley's 4th series, Greta says on 01/16 she hasn't filled a gap in the last two months https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-156#post-1916387
* Hellfire posts an excellent series of Tweets from several dissatisfied callers and TLL in response. I deem three Tweets most significant: 1.) Lucy says no staff were on duty AT ALL as opposed to none being AVAILABLE. 2.) TLL says they answered 9,000 calls in 2015, seeming to contradict higher numbers for the same periods. 3.) Shelly says their Twitter doesn't even allow DMs. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-37#post-1677511
* TLL on FB lists various costs pertaining to operators, and indicate they need to hire paid operators for peak times. How the FUCK does it cost $200 to train an operator for 4-5 hours, and why do they need this when they supposedly have almost 300 volunteers? https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-162#post-1921092
* Null's mole is discovered. Over the preceding week Nina and Greta answered zero calls. 331 volunteers are on record. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-62#post-1689550
* Smutley presents multiple FB posts from Greta, three of which give wildly inconsistent numbers on staff within a short period. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1906809
* From Smutley's 2nd series, Greta asserts TLL has only 200 volunteers on 04/08/15 but had 300 or 400 (she gave both figures) 4 months before, and Greta talks about travel, vacationing, and her "Beaver Box". https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907013
* TLL seemingly violates prohibitions on certain political activities https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664348 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664444
* TLL fires a volunteer for using TLL resources for personal gain, TLL Twitter complains about Cloudflare https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664617
* Greta does what TLL asserted was unacceptable, by using TLL Twitter to advertise her GoFundMe for a root canal https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664624 http://archive.is/1uVkJ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664629 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-12#post-1664638
* Repentance notes TLL has removed their staff pages (and this remains the case). https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-27#post-1673746
* Yawning presents FB posts from Greta regarding her constant traveling, her assertion she hasn't had to go on call despite TLL being constantly understaffed, her frustration with other organizations not recognizing hers, and her distrust of police https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-28#post-1674312
* Someone witnesses TAP, their other organization, writing checks to people in line at some event https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-159#post-1918503
* From Smutley's 5th series: 1.) Greta's miffed over organizations rejecting TLL's grant requests. 2.) 8,000 miles logged in the preceding month, presumably using TLL funds. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* Greta or Nina presumably uses official TLL Twitter to engage in very personal and heated rhetoric about Kiwi Farms and the Waite suicide One Two Three Four Five
* Manapan interjects on Twitter in the TLL/Verisign battle https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-119#post-1904613 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-122#post-1905606
* Many people complain of inability to reach operators on TLL https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-13#post-1665311 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-13#post-1665340
* Hellfire posts an excellent series of Tweets from several dissatisfied callers and TLL in response. I deem three Tweets most significant: 1.) Lucy says no staff were on duty AT ALL as opposed to none being AVAILABLE. 2.) TLL says they answered 9,000 calls in 2015, seeming to contradict higher numbers for the same periods. 3.) Shelly says their Twitter doesn't even allow DMs. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-37#post-1677511
* Someone on Twitter accuses Greta of corruption with TLL money. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-45#post-1681102
* Someone accuses a TLL operator of hostility and denial because he's not stereotypical transsexual https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-46#post-1681782
* Three people on Twitter complain of lack of availability https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-66#post-1760961
* Bark Bark, who knows Greta and Nina personally and has high-level LGBT friends, pledges support to us https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-72#post-1834978
* (IMPORTANT) Evelyn Rios, someone with an impressive journalism career, is unhappy with Greta's conduct. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-154#post-1915048 http://archive.is/0Oojs https://www.linkedin.com/in/evelynrios
* Leelah Alcorn apparently calls TLL and commits suicide anyway. Salon article is linked. On FB, Greta speaks of the article, (Greta seems repulsively apathetic and terse about a young trans person who called them ending her life regardless), and Greta and Nina grin like morons in Florida on same day. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-27#post-1673715
* Elizabeth Waite's info and suicide are presentd by HOMO INSPECTUS https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-86#post-1897132
* A witness to events speaks on the matter https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-88#post-1897314 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-91#post-1897669
* Confirmation of death of Waite https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-90#post-1897547
* Greta plots revenge in the wake of Waite travesty rather than fixate on solutions https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-102#post-1899037
* Smutley presents evidence she actually called TLL and associated with Greta https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-103#post-1899114 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-103#post-1899144
* Manapan (the widow) asserts dead spouse was answered by a TLL volunteer once out of many attempts, after being on hold for hours https://kiwifarms.net/threads/elizabeth-waite-john-waite-jr.26080/page-5#post-1901831
* Greta blocks Manapan/Amanda Waite, the widow of Elizabeth, after she demands Greta cease agitating on the deceased's behalf http://archive.is/BGpAw https://www.facebook.com/gretagustava/posts/10209927029046502?pnref=story#
* Presumably, Greta or Nina uses official TLL Twitter to engage in very personal and heated rhetoric about Kiwi Farms and the Waite suicide One Two Three Four Five
* Manapan interjects on Twitter in the TLL/Verisign battle https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-119#post-1904613 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-122#post-1905606
* Repentance presents Greta's and Nina's 04/16 GoFundMe for immigration process costs- it raised 230 OVER the 500 goal https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-32#post-1675905 http://archive.is/IM3xJ * From Smutley's 3rd series: 1.) On 10/15 Nina doesn't have authorization to work yet has been driving for Uber (and taking a salary from TLL the next year). 2.) On 11/15 Greta was complaining about not getting necessary documents for Nina's green card. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-132#post-1908969
* From Smutley's 5th series: Greta links to the GoFundMe for immigration costs which obviously wasn't spent properly. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* hood LOLCOW produces excepts from/links to interview with Greta, in which she devalues cisgendered people helping trans people https://kiwifarms.net/threads/2016-...ment-of-transgender-women.23091/#post-1647734
* A_name_but_backwards reports the parts of the manual written by Greta convey misandry by only using female pronouns. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-48#post-1682089
* Various Tweets of Greta are submitted, one of the subjects being Greta blatantly endorsing misandry https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-29#post-1674515 http://archive.is/6lhhW http://archive.is/qikiK
* Greta shows misandry and cisphobia that I just discovered http://archive.is/w9KvC http://archive.is/j2meA
* Greta does fearmongering and rather admits to refusing to refer trans people to mainstream suicide resources https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-74#post-1851106
* Melkor provides exchanges on TLL's FB between cisgender male who wishes to volunteer and a few others. TLL tells him only the high-level staff positions are available to non-trans, two trans people become combative and condescending, TLL does nothing to intervene or apologize. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-139#post-1910319 http://archive.is/w9fcO https://www.facebook.com/translifeline/posts/1756503824615404#
* From Smutley's 3rd series: Greta declares she would advocate violence to stop transgender "genocide" if she wasn't sure they would be exterminated in response. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-132#post-1908969
* From Smutley's 5th series: 1.) Greta thinks cisgenders should STFU if trans people are wrong about them. 2.) Yet another implausible story of abuse from cisgender people, this time an ER doctor. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* Series #1: Most notably, three show her giving wildly inconsistent numbers on staff within a short period. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1906809
* Series #2: 1.) Greta states she's doing her "first TLL shift in a while" despite chronic operator shortages. 2.) She admits receiving 24k/year as salary from TLL in 2015. 3.) A DMV employee tells Nina to pull her pants up, Nina and Greta are combative and derogatory on FB and in DMV 4.) Somehow TLL has only 200 volunteers on 04/08/15 but had 300 or 400 (she gave both figures) 4 months before. 5.) Several on travel, vacationing, and buying/selling a camper to reduce TLL travel expenses https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907013 https://www.facebook.com/gretagustava/posts/10206748814233118 http://archive.is/s4AE2 http://www.ebay.com/itm/151832496917?forcerRptr=true&item=151832496917&viewitem= http://archive.is/EQAQ1
* Series #3: 1.) Greta speaks of another long roadtrip 1-2 months after the last one. 2.) On 10/15 Nina doesn't have authorization to work yet has been driving for Uber. 3.) On 11/15 Greta was complaining about not getting necessary documents for Nina's green card. 4.) Greta declares she would advocate violence to stop transgender "genocide" if she wasn't sure they would be exterminated in response. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-132#post-1908969
* Series #4: 1.) Greta says on 01/16 she hasn't filled a gap in the last two months 2.) Brags about screaming FUCK YOU on companies' FB pages when she's displeased https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-156#post-1916387
* Series #5: 1.) Greta thinks cisgenders should STFU if trans people are wrong about them. 2.) Greta links to the GoFundMe for immigration costs which obviously wasn't spent properly. 3.) Yet another implausible story of abuse from cisgender people, this time an ER doctor. 4.) Greta's miffed over organizations rejecting TLL's grant requests. 5.) 8,000 miles logged in the preceding month, presumably using TLL funds. 6.) Nina urges people to report KF to Cloudflare, and one sentence indicates she's deliberately trying to make us vulnerable to cyberattack. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-164#post-1924915
* Other TLL board members https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...ustav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-5#post-1661883
* Discovery of Greta being sued by Tara Cavanaugh https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-18#post-1668724
* Repentance provides details on Trevor Project's volunteer requirements and reasons https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-22#post-1670954
* Zedkissed60 presents documentary on Marian, one of Greta's wives and mother of daughter Hannah https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-70#post-1821124
* (IMPORTANT) A high-profile Huffington Post reporter seems to be curious https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-126#post-1907164 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...tav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-127#post-1907336


Documentation and Testimony On Suicide Hotlines and Their Standards

For those of you who wish to compare TLL's standards, training, and operations to those of mainstream/professional organizations, read here.



Character/Motivation Evidence Favorable to Kiwi Farms

These serve to refute the unmitigatedly sadistic and murderous stereotype of this community regarding trans people/LGBTs in general.

The outsider reading this should be aware that a large amount of the offensive rhetoric is exaggerated to enrage the targets and encourage entertaining behavior, or as gestures of humor to other members (Kiwis have a warped sense of humor relative to ordinary society, and "tranny" is very often used neutrally or better here). Of course, genuine and severe transphobia does exist here in abundance as well, but it's far from universal.

* Null (the forum owner) conveys support of LGBT/trans community and service to it https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-10#post-1663387
* Someone implores suicidal trans people to call another hotline, and all but one upvote it https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-16#post-1667728
* Someone makes an extremely anti-trans post and it's downvoted to Hell https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-37#post-1677616
* Yawning states a high proportion of Kiwis- including one admin- is transgender https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-38#post-1677757
* Null derides people who are shitposting on Elizabeth Waite's page after her suicide https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-98#post-1898243


Lord Haurchefant's/Sebastian's Compilation and TLL's Stupid Rebuttal

As I mentioned near the top of this, this person from Tumblr did an absolutely outstanding job choosing and presenting evidence of various types against Greta/TLL. He is a part of multiple demographics which tend to be very hostile towards Kiwi Farms (and vice versa), yet he created these damning presentations against Greta and TLL and took a lot of grief for it.

All archived versions of his Tumblr posts http://archive.is/lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com
All Tumblr posts from him with the TransLifeLine tag http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/tagged/translifeline http://archive.is/CE4tT http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/tagged/translifeline/page/2 http://archive.is/qS4hU

* Lord Haurchefant joins the fray http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153157029125/why-you-shouldnt-donate-to-trans-lifeline http://archive.is/biF3H
* Couple of secondary items from him: 1.) http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153167287650/some-twitter-accounts-that-attempted-to-call-tll http://archive.is/6Zydi 2.) http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153167314320/why-you-shouldnt-donate-to-trans-lifeline http://archive.is/GjyNf
* Not satisfied with his previous works, he made a far longer post http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153200777635/why-you-shouldnt-donate-to-trans-lifeline-part
http://archive.is/OFHa6
* TLL responds to it, but the response is self-serving and selective and ignores vast amounts of evidence, AND they turned off responses https://medium.com/@Translifeline/d...recent-tumblr-article-51ba607a4619#.byizgf3jx http://archive.is/fTDHZ
* Rebuttal from Haurchefant http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153286456645/a-rebuttal-against-trans-lifelines-recent-medium http://archive.is/pJoHY
* LordHaurchefant posts about the Waite suicide http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153750049780/the-truth-about-elizabeth-waites-suicide http://archive.is/q1LDd
* An example of the opposition he had to deal with on Tumblr http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153201435345/trans-lifeline-isnt-a-scam http://archive.is/MlKEu


Assorted Threads, Articles, and Repositories of Info

I haven't gone through much of this at all. I just mentally said "Oh, cool, this might be useful later." when I came across them in this thread and hurriedly jotted them down in one of my documents. I do not know how useful they will be, but I felt it best to provide them all so those of you with some time and desire can do research before I can get to them.

 
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@LordKaT DAMN @ that report. Respect for methodology. In the interest of playing devil's advocate and anticipating TLL's response to this info, I think that not surveying on weekends (which are according to California's hotline survey report, peak hours for several legit suicide hotlines) allows TLL to easily defend by stating that they up-staff for peak times which were not captured in the survey. If they're ever held publicly to these results and refute them they will certainly bring that point up. Also, while I understand your reasoning for not releasing the time of day of successful calls, it would be informative to figure out if their one operator answering calls is correctly more available at actual peak times vs. lower-demand times (early weekdays).

I have no doubt personally that they're totally incompetent but bases covered, etc.
 
I think that not surveying on weekends (which are according to California's hotline survey report, peak hours for several legit suicide hotlines) allows TLL to easily defend

I thought about that and also the fact that on business hours on weekdays, which is the timeslot used, a big percentage of the volunteers could be at work and unable to pick up the phone and possibly have to stay on call for an hour or more to service a possibly suicidal caller. Nonetheless, the fact that TLL has raised tens of thousands of dollars in the last quarter alone and is only able to take 7% of calls in work hours is ludicrous, way waaaaaaaaaaay below any mildly competent expected result, especially if you add the facts there are also several volunteers out there that applied for the job and never received their training and certificates to be able to begin working on calls.

Another important point mentioned on the research is that up until very recently TLL marked these business hours as "recommended calling times" on their website. If 7% is what they manage on what they actively advertised as their calling hours, how bad can it be on unrecommended times, 0%?

Sure, as you imply there's a (very optimistic) chance that on weekends and late hours they'll have a better response rate but even if they double their efficiency, it still isn't even 15%, which is still ludicrous for an entity that is fundraising money every month and having very generous results. Also, Null's twitter bot used to work on their own internal data, which spans weekdays, weekends, working hours and otherwise and it still failed to come up with even a 10% response rate, which is further proof @LordKaT's 7% is pretty accurate despite the timeslots he's used in his research.
 
So, I have managed to scan half of this gargantuan thread (the other half was generated just within the last 30 days) for useful posts and files since starting this project. I have created several new sections. In the evidence section (by far the main one), categories were created or divided into two now that there is so much more material and topics. I've refreshed archived copies a few times, and sought out material at the source and archived it a few times. It would be helpful if someone can search for the URLs of the most impactful FB or Twitter posts which were screenshotted and posted in the forum, or to provide the links if they already have them. I will include them in this and future incarnations of this.
This post and your other post should be featured at the top of the OP
 
Since this is all going to the wiki ultimately, it's just better to have a big link to the wiki. I may be optimistic here but if a serious journalist comes in here I"m sure he'd prefer to read a well-organized wiki page than to delve into posts in this thread, especially if it's going to be around a lot of people talking about designated shitting streets and such. I know there's already a big link to the Wiki on the header but it wouldn't hurt to have another one in the OP as the main information source instead. My 2 cents anyway since it's not my decision to make.
 
We're going to use this either to build a proper TLL Wiki article or... something, man.

That might be a better idea than any of us think. Laid out properly, an article that breaks down and summarizes the problems in concise ways that is further backed up by evidence may be a tipping point that exposes the scam to the larger world.
 
Wow, so much to respond to during the time I was working on the second post. This thread is going to be the death of me, hahaha.

Leelah Alcorn reportedly called. And we all know how well she turned out.

Does anyone have additional evidence about that? All I found was one or two usable posts about that here. There was also supposedly a suicide by a TLL caller besides her and Mrs. Waite which I haven't come across at all yet.

Yes and no. Sometimes it would just ring until the PBX hung up.

PBX stands for what exactly?

That kind of shit should be referred immediately to the IRS, because it is an admission that the supposedly charitable 501(c)(3) is inured to the benefit of a private individual (Nina) instead of being devoted entirely to charitable activities.

So they would be legally barred from raising money for TLL or via TLL's name to fund one of the founders' asylum fight? If so, that would be another critical issue to pursue. I believe they've done fundraising in TLL's name, right?

What if Nina actually was legal the whole time and just didn't have the documents on her (hence the person having to mail copies to AZ), but Greta knew she could use the situation to bleed more money from idiots, so she intentionally didn't come out and say this. This is the only situation I could see them dismissing the case for.

People have been bringing up the idea that Greta did this on purpose to get rid of Nina, but what if they both did this on purpose as a way to con money out of people?

They are neither insane nor intelligent enough to manufacture drama like that and deliberately have the Border Patrol fuck with them. This was a case of two fucking idiots not doing what they needed to do and then taking a God-awful route to wherever they were headed in TLL's name.

We actually don't know that. We've speculated about it, but we have no proof either way regarding whether Greta got properly divorced after either of his marriages. It would be nice to find some, though.

Are divorces publicly listed matters in court archives which can be searched and accessed by anyone? If so, that could be verified by someone at some point, correct?

While she did die of an overdose, it wasn't until over a decade after they separated - his marriage to his son's mother would therefore not have been legal if he and Marian never divorced (very possible given that they led unconventional lives).

My understanding is death automatically terminates a marriage. If they never divorced and Greta/Kjel remarried before she died, he would have committed bigamy. If legally their second marriage would have been invalidated due to that and Nina was #3, that might actually work in their favor if they're called on that and she and Nina did actually marry but Greta never divorced #2.

Also, do we know for certain that Greta was married twice before meeting Nina? I've heard and read about the first marriage, but I don't recall encountering anything about a second woman pre-TLL/Nina.

TL;DR: 6.67% of calls answered from September 12th 2016 to January 6th 2017

TLL Research: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2IXcZj7Ip_kVnNMSUxFSzZvZUk
TLL Call Log: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2IXcZj7Ip_kaW9ISjJZOE1SWDg

Excellent. I'll have to review those soon. I can then incorporate it in both my latest post and the pending wiki revision.

Holy shit this thread was a bitch to catchup on. I felt like for every page I read another three were posted. Semper fi to all are armed forces in this thread.

I feel the same way you do x10. Thanks for the expression of support!

Now, they could rectify that matter by getting legally married in the next few weeks - if they don't then that's all the evidence one needs that something very shady is in Greta's past that she's covering up /avoiding even at the cost of Nina's ass being sent back to India.

I was under the impression that doesn't matter now since she was caught and deemed to be here illegally. Marriage afterwards would mitigate or erase that transgression?

Who's helping to run the lifeline while Shrek and his Child Bride are fighting for asylum?

In their prospective 2016 budget, they were planning to add 4 paid positions (including Nina's). So, even if these two fuckoffs are gallivanting across the country and getting arrested by the Border Patrol, there should have been others helping to oversee and run this organization as literally their job.

Here is the podcast archive @LordKaT has uploaded, in case anyone missed the real thing and is feeling too lazy to read through the research he's provided, like I am:


I just quoted this to help me remember it and to bring more exposure to it.

Just wondering, because "transsexual" is generally a taboo term in these circles and considered evil/outdated/bigoted.

Really? I thought "transsexual" was the type of trans person who is the male-to-female/female-to-male type, and "transgender" included them and the assorted gender non-conforming types who may or may not want to have SRS and such. I mean, to me, "transsexual" seems like a technically correct term for the type that Greta and Nina are, just as "homosexual" is for gays and lesbians.

may be optimistic here but if a serious journalist comes in here I"m sure he'd prefer to read a well-organized wiki page than to delve into posts in this thread, especially if it's going to be around a lot of people talking about designated shitting streets and such.

Oh, definitely, it is imperative to have a wiki or some sort of database that outsiders who wish to judge TLL and its founders can use- something that is sanitized and devoid of the sort of rhetoric you just mentioned. Of course, we need to know what info we have before doing that with 100% effectiveness.
 
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