Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Stumbling7]

Very late on the tier list, better late then ever.

Spoiler: meme dumb 39

 

[AnOminous]

Would viv have the balls to have an African warlord in one of the shows

We need General Butt Naked in Hell. I might even go back to watching if she didn't fuck it up.

Although considering he apparently reformed himself, General Butt Naked as an Exorcist might be even better.

And Millie chooses the fag? Not only is this unrealistic, it's also unbelievable and completely immersion breaking. It goes against the very nature of everything.

Moxxie was pretty cool before they fagged him out, and I don't mean just made him bisexual. He had his sensitive side (fag) but he knew his guns and was really good at them, even though he was one of the few of the lot to have anything like a moral qualm.

This is still the best scene between them, and it's sad we don't really get that in the actual show.

The pilots made a lot of promises that the show almost spitefully and deliberately didn't live up to, thanks to Vivzie's massive tism and fujoshit character.

 

[Sneed (formerly ﷽)]

If I forgot someone important then it's probably cause they fucking suck ass.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I’m doing my part!

 

[GoodWinSon]

Literally, pretty much all those points you listed were in the pilot.

The worst part of watching HH is that I am constantly reminded I'm not watching the Pilot.

 

[Stumbling7]

I’m doing my part!
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Wait, who's the guy right next to Satan? No hate, just never seen that character, unless it's one of the season 2 leaks.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Wait, who's the guy right next to Satan? No hate, just never seen that character, unless it's one of the season 2 leaks.

Baxter, his design has been floating around for a while. He's in Hazbin season 2 if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Baxter, his design has been floating around for a while. He's in Hazbin season 2 if I'm remembering correctly.

He was also supposed to be in season 1 according to some leaked storyboards, but he was replaced by Sir Pentious. I also remember Vivzie saying something about being hesitant to use him because his backstory could be offensive (he died on the Titanic. Did not stop her from having Jack the Ripper in Pent’s backstory, and I see so many people (on tumblr at least) get upset about Saucy Jack being used in stuff like one of the Assassin’s Creed games).

 

[David Brown]

So in Hazbin Hotel is it explained anywhere why Heaven uses crosses as a symbol? That would imply there is a Jesus or at least some other Jew who got crucified but I don't remember them mentioning jesus anywhere in the show.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Yeah might as well join in



Anyway it is really hilarious how bad of a character Stolas is, and its not just his personality traits alone, but how he feels like a speedrun of one of those sitcom characters that drastically alters the show to be about them. But unlike those sitcom characters (like Fonzie and Urkel), Stolas was not really that popular and was just shoved into the audience repeatedly, along with every episode taking his side even if he is in the wrong.

The worst of those episodes have to be the "Stolas is a good dad" episodes because Loo Loo Land was fine at the time, but really aged poorly due to Stolas bringing his fuck buddy with him to what should be a father-daughter rendevous and how he said he'll never abandon her (LMAO he sure showed her by being about to give up his own life to Blitzo, by the way if Stolas died, he'd die happily for his love and never have acknowledged his daughter in his dying breath). The other episode Seeing Stars is even worse since this is when the show became the Stolas Show and he spends most of his time dicking around in Los Angeles instead of looking for his daughter.

Compared to the other terrible characters who are either minor characters or don't have that much screentime, Stolas is the focus of 10/20 episodes (excluding the Pilot and Shorts, I also guarantee the season 2 finale will be about him given we have yet to have that Octavia insult speech at him from the trailer)

 

[smeech chain]

So here's a general question about the criticism towards HH and HB, alot of it is moral grandstanding about the show making jokes that involve rape or sexual assault and they argue that's why the show is bad and it's "romanticising" toxic relationships or something.
I mean I fucking hate these 2 shows but I found that criticism in particular to always be cringe as fuck. The show makes alot of gags with characters getting slashed and squashed to pieces so murder is haha funny but as soon as you touch rape or sexual assault its too far and "romanticising" or some shit ?
What are these niggas standards exactly for what's ok to joke about ? Didn't Blitzo and his gang kill a child and it was played for laughs ? Is that "romanticising" child murder or some shit ?

 

[didelphigina]

So here's a general question about the criticism towards HH and HB, alot of it is moral grandstanding about the show making jokes that involve rape or sexual assault and they argue that's why the show is bad and it's "romanticising" toxic relationships or something.
I mean I fucking hate these 2 shows but I found that criticism in particular to always be cringe as fuck. The show makes alot of gags with characters getting slashed and squashed to pieces so murder is haha funny but as soon as you touch rape or sexual assault its too far and "romanticising" or some shit ?
What are these niggas standards exactly for what's ok to joke about ? Didn't Blitzo and his gang kill a child and it was played for laughs ? Is that "romanticising" child murder or some shit ?

Oh, you know how this crowd functions. Blood and gore and senseless killing is very quirky. It can be slapped on and it'll be comedy gold. It's okay to kill a child yet it's a terrible TRAVESTY for Blitzo to call Moxxie the dreaded autism slur. Their standards on what counts as "too far" and "offensive" is really muddied, from both the pro and anti-vivzie fanboys.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Oh, you know how this crowd functions. Blood and gore and senseless killing is very quirky. It can be slapped on and it'll be comedy gold. It's okay to kill a child yet it's a terrible TRAVESTY for Blitzo to call Moxxie the dreaded autism slur. Their standards on what counts as "too far" and "offensive" is really muddied, from both the pro and anti-vivzie fanboys.

In my opinion, I don’t think there’s such a thing as going “too far” in fiction. What I do think exists is doing something in poor taste. I’m too damn exhausted to really articulate myself now, but it might also have to do with how Vivzie presents things. Like she might claim she’s trying to represent male rape victims well with Angel Dust, but it’s obvious that she’s getting off to it despite that. I am so sorry if I’m not making any sense right now.

 

[smeech chain]

Oh, you know how this crowd functions. Blood and gore and senseless killing is very quirky. It can be slapped on and it'll be comedy gold. It's okay to kill a child yet it's a terrible TRAVESTY for Blitzo to call Moxxie the dreaded autism slur. Their standards on what counts as "too far" and "offensive" is really muddied, from both the pro and anti-vivzie fanboys.

it's not just HH and HB, they don't stfu about the "romanticising" of X bad thing in media. A friend of mine complained about this thing a while ago, i'll just copy paste what she said to me here :

"Whys every inclusion of anything remotely problematic in fiction automatically written off as "romanticising" ? Where is the line drawn between actual romanticising and simple portrayal of a problematic thing ? No one who makes the "romanticising" argument never EVER presents any clear guidelines on what counts as romanticising. It's always pearl clutching shit from morally grandstanding people looking for a dent or cancellation excuse. No this is not some dog whistling to let degenerate shit like loli cancer become normalised because "it's fiction bro" this is me not understanding wtf is acceptable anymore in fiction by the "romanticising" argument fags.."

I see alot of these videos essays about this very topic and it's driving me nuts, but for HH and HB I don't get it because the whole premise is that everyone in the show is a cunt. why are they surprised that cunts do cunt things ? Maybe you can argue the show has inconsistent morality itself on when it portrays a character as "right" in a situation when theyre not, but please drop the moral grandstanding garbage and stop using the buzzword "romanticising", this doghit word is basically considered a K.O buzzword to take down anything you find icky or makes you uncomfortable. I should go make a video essay about how game of thrones romanticises incest and I'll make hella cash out of the "moral grandstanding video essay" genre.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

In my opinion, I don’t think there’s such a thing as going “too far” in fiction. What I do think exists is doing something in poor taste. I’m too damn exhausted to really articulate myself now, but it might also have to do with how Vivzie presents things. Like she might claim she’s trying to represent male rape victims well with Angel Dust, but it’s obvious that she’s getting off to it despite that. I am so sorry if I’m not making any sense right now.

I think there are definitely people who went too far in their 'art'. For one, Shadman deserves to be summarily executed.

 

[GoodWinSon]

it's not just HH and HB, they don't stfu about the "romanticising" of X bad thing in media. A friend of mine complained about this thing a while ago, i'll just copy paste what she said to me here :

"Whys every inclusion of anything remotely problematic in fiction automatically written off as "romanticising" ? Where is the line drawn between actual romanticising and simple portrayal of a problematic thing ? No one who makes the "romanticising" argument never EVER presents any clear guidelines on what counts as romanticising. It's always pearl clutching shit from morally grandstanding people looking for a dent or cancellation excuse. No this is not some dog whistling to let degenerate shit like loli cancer become normalised because "it's fiction bro" this is me not understanding wtf is acceptable anymore in fiction by the "romanticising" argument fags.."

I see alot of these videos essays about this very topic and it's driving me nuts, but for HH and HB I don't get it because the whole premise is that everyone in the show is a cunt. why are they surprised that cunts do cunt things ? Maybe you can argue the show has inconsistent morality itself on when it portrays a character as "right" in a situation when theyre not, but please drop the moral grandstanding garbage and stop using the buzzword "romanticising", this doghit word is basically considered a K.O buzzword to take down anything you find icky or makes you uncomfortable. I should go make a video essay about how game of thrones romanticises incest and I'll make hella cash out of the "moral grandstanding video essay" genre.

Banal moral grandstanding is hardly new. GTA and jazz were going to ruin in society once upon a time. Hazbin and Hellava are both "adult" shows as conceived by children. Thus in this case, anyone who genuinely believes that Hazbin and Hellava romanticizes x or y is a child or mentally a child. The disingenuous ones makes this argument because children eat it up. Not hard to understand, child's play even.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

The only tier list that matters.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I think there are definitely people who went too far in their 'art'. For one, Shadman deserves to be summarily executed.

Okay, yeah, using/exploiting real people is definitely too far. I think what I’m trying to get at is, the presentation matters a lot. There’s always going to be the tumblr people who are offended no matter what, and then there’s stuff that just doesn’t work the way it’s shown. Vivziepop tends to flip flop between taking Angel’s abuse seriously to portraying it as hot to using rape as a joke with Pentious and Verosika jumping Moxxie. I think part of it comes from the idea that rape is a particularly evil thing you can do to someone (which it is), and worse than death (debatable), which isn’t helped by Viv seemingly wanting to have and eat several cakes. So that’s my guess as to why there’s so much outrage around that.
As for everyone being cunts, I think the creator favoritism plays a part. Blitzo is supposed to be a good cunt, he shouldn’t say slurs! Meanwhile Mammon is a bad cunt compared to Asmodeus and Beezlebub, who are actually really nice despite being Deadly Sins!
Not much I can say about all the killing and blood. Hell, my pfp is a demon archduke who hunts children for sport and food, in a setting where orphans are raised as livestock. In some sense it feels like Vivzie wants to go all out with the edge, but is held back by Amazon and the crowd she’s attracted potentially tearing her to pieces.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So here's a general question about the criticism towards HH and HB, alot of it is moral grandstanding about the show making jokes that involve rape or sexual assault and they argue that's why the show is bad and it's "romanticising" toxic relationships or something.

I see alot of these videos essays about this very topic and it's driving me nuts, but for HH and HB I don't get it because the whole premise is that everyone in the show is a cunt. why are they surprised that cunts do cunt things ? Maybe you can argue the show has inconsistent morality itself on when it portrays a character as "right" in a situation when theyre not, but please drop the moral grandstanding garbage and stop using the buzzword "romanticising", this doghit word is basically considered a K.O buzzword to take down anything you find icky or makes you uncomfortable.

I can understand that argument being true for Stolas and Blitzø because the show is romanticizing their relationship, even though if this was going on in real life no one would be thinking this is sweet and wholesome. Someone sent me a perfect picture than describes how the relationship is now to how it was.

Granted, I'm not one to really care of the morality of fictional relationships. I just want whichever one is funnier. And season 1 was so.

 

[AnOminous]

It's okay to kill a child yet it's a terrible TRAVESTY for Blitzo to call Moxxie the dreaded autism slur.

He actually literally called him retarded in the pilot.