Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Cynicaller]

Well no not really. My personal issue with trannies isn’t that I think they’re faking it. Besides the fact that they’re attempting to co-opt and make a mockery of womanhood, trannies who peddle needless HRT as the wonder-drug of life saving and affirming healthcare are effectively infertilizing themselves and the children that believe them. Also, it doesn’t stop at HRT. It doesn’t really ever stop.

Listen though I’ve gotta go, I’m late for my federally mandated bone-annihilation therapy. They’re going to reshape me and then I’ll finally be clean.

I tend to believe in the idea that once a tranny actually starts taking HRT and putting themselves in the opposite sex's headspace hormonally, it's hard to say they're "faking" it at that point. The ones I'd be skeptical of would be those who resign themselves to strictly socially transitioning and actively refuse HRT. Like those trannies who think they can throw on a wig or wear a hoodie and that's satisfactory, I wholeheartedly believe most of those ideologues are fucking depraved and psychotic. If you aren't trying to be hormonally on par with those of the sex you're trying to mimic, you can't even begin to pretend to be one of them.

 

[Paper Machete]

Everyone knows that there's a correlation between autism and trooning out. But I think there are some direct links.

I've noticed that autistic people do not have a gaydar, nor do they perceive certain actions as 'zesty' or effeminate, such as shaving one's legs or painting one's nails as a guy. Now, obviously, in and of themselves, those acts are not effeminate, we perceive them as effeminate due to their association with outward femininity (the appearance that women put on themselves). But autists simply see those acts at face value, they do not have a feeling telling them that they're gay. (Also, we call those acts gay because of the association of effeminate men with pederasty).
And I think that they see those acts at face value because they do not have a sense of masculinity (or femininity). This is why they troon out, they come to hate their own bodies and sex so easily because they do not even understand what it means to be a man. They then turn their bodies into an idol of feminity (and I really mean idol, as in taking something abstract and making a physical representation out of it), generally because of autogynephilia.
Now, I wouldn't define masculinity or femininity as some specific set of traits. I would not say that it being protective and courageous are masculine traits, and neither would I say that being caring and nurturing are feminine traits. Sure, men are generally more apt for being protective and corageous, and women are generally more apt at being caring and nurturing, but those 2 facts are irrelevant. I really wouldn't know how to define those, though. I think they're innate to neurotypical people.

It's 4am right now and this post is really just more of a collection of thoughts than one proper idea or system of ideas. I was also gonna bring up military ads and how they invoke a very specific feeling which I would say procedes from a man's masculinity, even if one opposes serving. I hope at least some of what I said made sense THOUGH

You sound really autistic yourself.

I think it's a simple reason. Autistics are more likely to develop odd sexual fetishes and kinks. And AGP and AAP are fetishes. There's something about tism that does this. It's probably why more guys have odd fetishes and kinks than women, because there is a higher prevalence among males to have some form of autism. (That's my personal theory anyway.)

Autistics are bad at reading nonverbal and subtle cues. They don't get why something may be read as faggy to normal people because they do not get that such things tell you a lot about a person, what they could possibly communicate. They just do not get it. They also just don't get why people don't just say what they mean explicitly all the time.

Autistics also think very black and white and are easily manipulated. They tend to be gullible. Don't forget tendency to hyperfixate. It makes them go super hard on the whole tranny thing once the bug bites them.

Essentially there's a blind spot when socializing with other humans and easily exploitable chinks in their armor that the cult of trans can weasel into.

(And that isn't even getting into the allure of an awkward population with social troubles who may even be considered outright losers by their peers being attracted to the built in hug box and a lot social mistakes being let go because the tranny is always right. That's very appealing to people with nothing going on in their life who consistently feel like outcasts.)

 

[Haloperidol]

I tend to believe in the idea that once a tranny actually starts taking HRT and putting themselves in the opposite sex's headspace hormonally, it's hard to say they're "faking" it at that point. The ones I'd be skeptical of would be those who resign themselves to strictly socially transitioning and actively refuse HRT. Like those trannies who think they can throw on a wig or wear a hoodie and that's satisfactory, I wholeheartedly believe most of those ideologues are fucking depraved and psychotic. If you aren't trying to be hormonally on par with those of the sex you're trying to mimic, you can't even begin to pretend to be one of them.

I would love to know what you mean by getting into the opposite sex’s headspace. I’m sorry but no amount of hormones or method acting or surgery will change someone from one sex to the other. I think trying to pick a point where someone is ‘close enough’ to a different demographic that they should legally be considered part of it opens up a weird precedent. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to paint myself and watch Martin until I can be considered legally black.

 

[Cynicaller]

I would love to know what you mean by getting into the opposite sex’s headspace. I’m sorry but no amount of hormones or method acting or surgery will change someone from one sex to the other. I think trying to pick a point where someone is ‘close enough’ to a different demographic that they should legally be considered part of it opens up a weird precedent. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to paint myself and watch Martin until I can be considered legally black.

I'm referring to the instincts of the different sexes, which are overwhelmingly influenced by the sex hormones and consequentially inform a lot of decision making that help differentiate between men and women. It's only become so glaringly apparent because of trannies fucking with their endocrine systems. If you've ever been around or at least seen someone who was, say, a man with elevated testosterone who decided to transition to the point they had the testosterone levels of the average woman, you'd notice a drastic change in their behavior and how they approach decision making. Also yeah it's a weird precedent to set but trannies are already weird. Any level of compromise with them is just inherently weird.

There's some studies I can dig up to back up what I'm saying if you want.

 

[Haloperidol]

overwhelmingly influenced by the sex hormones and consequentially inform a lot of decision making that help differentiate between men and women

Obviously changing testosterone and estrogen levels will influence behavior, but to reduce male and female psychology down to the levels of exactly 2 hormones is oversimplifying how the body and brain work to a hilarious extent. If that were the dominant factor there wouldn’t be such drastic variation between members of the same sex.

it's just to spare everyone the headache of delineating further and further on the definition of man and woman just for the sake of trannies.

But they’re the only ones doing this weird delineating. Everybody else got the memo and understands the difference between men and women as we have since time immemorial. We can spare ourselves the headache by not doing anything for the sake of trannies at all.

you'd be surprised how just a variation in T levels can influence those behavioral variations you're talking about. PCOS in women for example.

So...are you saying a woman with PCOS is a woman in a ‘male headspace’?

 

[Cynicaller]

Obviously changing testosterone and estrogen levels will influence behavior, but to reduce male and female psychology down to the levels of exactly 2 hormones is oversimplifying how the body and brain work to a hilarious extent. If that’s all it is, why is there such drastic variation between members of the same sex?

It is a simplification but for the sake of the federal policy I proposed, it's just to spare everyone the headache of delineating further and further on the definition of man and woman just for the sake of trannies.

And if we're being honest, you'd be surprised how just a variation in T levels can influence those behavioral variations you're talking about. PCOS in women for example. But yes it's more complicated than that in aggregate and no I'm not qualified to delve deeper than that.

 

[Susanna]

I don’t think HRT has as big of an effect on their behaviour as you say, and it certainly doesn’t reduce the threat they pose.

 

[Cynicaller]

I don’t think HRT has as big of an effect on their behaviour as you say, and it certainly doesn’t reduce the threat they pose.

Elevated testosterone levels are directly correlated with an increase in aggression and hypersexuality.

But they’re the only ones doing this weird delineating. Everybody else got the memo and understands the difference between men and women as we have since time immemorial. We can spare ourselves the headache by not doing anything for the sake of trannies at all.

Agreed, but it really seems trannies are just a fact of life at this point. Eventually it's going to reach a breaking point if *nothing* is done.

So...are you saying a woman with PCOS is a woman in a ‘male headspace’?

Their brains have a bizarre hormonal soup going on. They don't have test levels correlated with the average man but it's still elevated compared to the average woman. They're like "natural" pooners, it's bizarre.

 

[Susanna]

Elevated testosterone levels are directly correlated with an increase in aggression and hypersexuality.

Absolutely, but their brains are already masculinised. Testosterone doesn’t just damage you while it’s in your system, many of its effects are permanent.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

Not every person who is pro-trans is operating under the circumstances I outlined above, but the idea of transness was only able to spread and gain favor because it was being forced by people who have societal power as men. Women and children did not spearhead transness, and couldn’t have.

Right on. But all I'm saying is the norman bates types ain't in the drivers seat either. Even tho you have the one in a million 5 star general (or however many stars that guy has).

I didn’t bring up trans kids because the pioneering of the trans movement is not the fault of trans kids--rather they are victims to it. Trans ideologies prey upon the vulnerability that comes with youth.

I might be wrong on this but the original cases were very young, confused gay men. The guys who cut these troons up are the problem. The troon-makers. I don't think the belligerent freaks are really driving it, they are a problem tho: invading girls and women's spaces.

It’s not that I ignored this type of violence, it’s just not what I was talking about.

I'm not really sure it's really much different now, these jazz jennings things do happen and I also think that whole lady boy thing is pretty much the same thing with a modern veneer.

But I get where you come from now. Agree with your take otherwise. Very much.
But the most effective trans-parents, as you mentioned, aren't tranny themselves, it's these very cis doctors who reinvented their modern spin on eunuchs.

 

[Paper Machete]

Elevated testosterone levels are directly correlated with an increase in aggression and hypersexuality.

Artificially elevated levels. I think this is important to point out. Average to high levels in males that occur naturally is perfectly healthy. It's supposed to be the dominate sex hormone for them. There are plenty of low T males with nonetheless weird libidos who are sex pests. And women can be hypersexual and weird about it all too without having out of whack hormones.

If this simple reduction were at all true TRANNIES WOULDN'T BE THE WAY THEY ARE as HRT and androgen blockers would completely nerf their perverse nature. It doesn't clearly. They get worse. Even the ones that actually are suppressing their T. Pooners go crazy because it's not natural for their bodies to have, it makes them unhealthy in various other ways that would effect mood and feelings, and they're plum cray cray to begin with. A lot of them have violent fantasies before pooning and remember that a lot of pooners have insecurities around being female specifically as relates to not by as physically capable. I think they have some sort of complex where they fantasize about being able to be aggressive but are like 5 foot nothing and fat.

Aberrant sexual behavior is almost always from drug use (people who use hormones exogenous often use a cocktail of different weird shit and are prone to use other drugs outside that too) and is psychological. Your mood can be effected by your hormone levels but that's in the case of them getting out of whack due to being in an unhealthy state.

Sorry for the sperg but I think it's important to remember that trannies and deviants aren't the way that they are because of something as simple as hormones but because they have true disordered characters. Their minds are not right on a fundamental level. Some of them could seek help if caught early enough and they get on a right path but I think some are just criminally insane levels of broken inside.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

I don’t think HRT has as big of an effect on their behaviour as you say, and it certainly doesn’t reduce the threat they pose.

I'm pretty sure it's similar to neutering animals. I guess the young guys, no matter how freakish they may look are probably more "docile" and don't have much sex drive... But yeah, I guess your mileage, especially with middle aged guys, as seen here on the farms, varies a lot otherwise.

 

[Cynicaller]

If this simple reduction were at all true TRANNIES WOULDN'T BE THE WAY THEY ARE as HRT and androgen blockers would completely nerf their perverse nature.

You would be surprised how many trannies outright aren't on HRT either because they refuse to take it or can't get it. Some even lie about taking it. Make of that what you will.

Don't apologize for the sperg, that's what this thread is literally made for no?

 

[Paper Machete]

You would be surprised how many trannies outright aren't on HRT either because they refuse to take it or can't get it. Some even lie about taking it. Make of that what you will.

Don't apologize for the sperg, that's what this thread is literally made for no?

Oh, I def know a lot aren't. The worst of the AGPs do not take it but they LARP online that they do. I think partly because a lot of them are older and know it won't work and their particular perversion sort of more goes along with getting others to do it instead. Which is why they all write fanfic about how great it is and all. A lot of the older ones seem to be sort of in on it together while the younger ones seem genuinely surprised that HRT makes it hard to be hard. But a lot of deviant behavior becomes memetic and compulsive. You don't necessarily need your junk to be entirely functional to continue on with it. I think a lot more just autistic guys are getting caught up in it too, who don't catch on to all of this.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

The worst of the AGPs do not take it but they LARP online that they do. I think partly because a lot of them are older and know it won't work and their particular perversion sort of more goes along with getting others to do it instead.

That's pretty much the issue, these men right there. They aren't even trannys basically. But they want others to do it while just sitting around in ill fitting dresses.
Still at the top of the hierarchy are doctors and policy makers who aren't even donning the summer dresses.
But honestly, the tranny sub forums are interesting and it makes you think - a lot. But too much of this stuff is twisting my stomach tbh. Girls getting their breasts removed and their uterus taken out while their vaginas atrophy are the worst, most nightmarish for me.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Elevated testosterone levels are directly correlated with an increase in aggression and hypersexuality.

Why are so many trans women on Estrogren and progesterone still aggressive, uncaring of others, and porn freaks?

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

Something I have noticed is that a lot of TIMs mention how estrogen has these crazy mental effects that make the world feel more alive for them. I am not a chemist or a biologist so what I am about to sperg out about could be completely wrong, but I think I figured out why estrogen has these effects on HSTS troons.
Scientists have managed to cause homosexuality in around 50% of male rats by giving them aromatase inhibitors (such as letrozole). The reason that aromatase inhibitors have this effect is because it disrupts brain estradiol synthesis (source). I am guessing that this shows that the average gay male has less estrogen in the brain than the average straight male.
Estradiol also effects males in ways such as protecting the brain from neurodegenerative diseases, helping with cognitive function, and helping with mood regulation (Source)(Other Source). Gay people, who probably don't have as much estrogen as straight people, probably also deal with from the effects of low estrogen. When they troon out and take estrogen, they probably feel better because they no longer have low estrogen levels, rather than it being because their "gender dysphoria" got cured.
AGPs are fucking retarded and the only reason that they feel relief is because they are munchies falling for placebo and because they are indulging in their fetish.
I think a potential solution to this is SERMs. SERMs decrease estrogen production in some places of the body while increasing it in others. They may be able to provide all the benefits of estrogen to potential HSTSes but without all of the troonery. I remember seeing something that said that the SERM Tamoxifen decreases estrogen in breast tissue while increasing estrogen in the brain, but I can't link to it because I find it anymore.

 

[Echnaton]

Interesting X thread about the recent trooning wave: basically pins the blame on a certain type of person who can't waifufag.

https://x.com/svevladium/status/1865170025365041564

I also very much like this statement:

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

How would you all feel if there was a federal mandate forcing all private and public health insurance to 100% cover HRT for anyone, including trannies, with the stipulation that in order for a tranny to be federally recognized as the gender they want, they must undergo HRT treatment?

HRT is healthcare for menopausal women and men recoveting from prostate cancer. It is not health care when administered to troons and pooners. It is quackery.

It is like uf you gave ozempic to teenage girls with anorexia, and then showered them with love whenever they lost weight. It's immoral.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Why are so many trans women on Estrogren and progesterone still aggressive, uncaring of others, and porn freaks?

Because it was those characteristics that made them troon out in the first place. At least I think so.