The only thing the two have in common is that they're outcasts. Lonely men expect lonely women to have the same social struggles as them and vice versa, and that's where the entire "who has better friendships" sperging begins.
Agreed, and the whole overanalysis of social hierarchy/sex differentiated theorizing comes out of sadness and trying to rationalize this loneliness (it's easy to see how gender dysphoric thinking plays into this sort of stereotyping). Part of it is also a game of chance. As a former outcast of sorts, I was bitter and jaded against my own sex until I suddenly stumbled into meaningful friendships that contradicted all of the theories I had built up over the years. Prior, I had just had the misfortune of being caught up in awful social groups again and again, leading me to form a number of erroneous conclusions on how people of my sex behaved. Some people just need to come across the right people.
Also IMO as you get older the idea of being an outcast tends to fade. People don't naturally form big friend groups beyond the settings of school and other community groups. Your social circle shrinks to include only the most meaningful friendships - there in turn is no group to be "outcast" from.
It's been almost a year since Milo Stewart's last instagram post. I've been browsing through obituaries to make sure she didn't randomly die. I would hate for her story to end with a 41%. I hope she snapped out of it but in one of the pooner threads, a TIF "queer sex worker" came to her senses/began to regret her transition and then later died (likely a suicide but unconfirmed). That doesn't bode well for Milo.
I guess the elephant in the room is the fact that tomboys play with boys, sometimes, and gay boys play with girls, I don't have have first hand experience on this but I'd would think that this cross mingling dies down around puberty, esp. for tomboys since they can't really keep up with the boys when it comes to daring and contesting each other. I just assume that if anything, gay boys might cling onto this a little longer - it think that might be a very big driving factor for teens wanting to become the opposite sex, they don't want to become outcasts but instead stick to their cliques.
I’ve been pretty good at dodging it, but the other day I had to outright explain to someone that I have a moral objection to poisoning young women with testosterone and they’re going to have to find someone else to prepare it. They said ‘what if they’re transgender’ and called me ignorant, lol. I’m just so profoundly annoyed today. How the fuck did we get here? Did we miss some of the lead paint the first time around? Did the plastic in our brains reach a certain threshold that made everyone permanently retarded? Why are there so many true believers among people with the life experience to know better?
I mean, I’ve hit a point where I can’t follow the thought processes of half the country, it’s an alarming place to be. Even if TTD became the law of the land tomorrow, we’d still be left with a huge population of people who think thousands of years of human behavior and history must be discarded so we can finally build the progressive utopia where nothing means anything. What is this sickness called? I’m not very well versed in philosophy. Is it Marxism? Postmodernism? Nihilism? I don’t know.
Due to my situation I’m not exaggerating when I say I‘m surrounded by people I can’t understand. If you told me ten years ago I’d find myself ideologically isolated due in large part to my stance on transsexuals I’d have just stared at you, but here we are. It really warps you after a while. Everything is so fucked.
Realistically he would require some kind of special housing due to his various medical and psychiatric comorbidities and notoriety.
I don't think it's appropriate to house him with women just because he's easy for men to fuck up, though. In that case you should put obnoxious faggy rapists in with women too, if they are short of stature.
I know you're joking, but I also think you're right. Couldn't they just delegate one appropriately-sized prison in the US for transwomen and bypass most of the current problems with troon inmates?
The pitch would be that everyone there understands the struggle and they can support each other. No brute male inmates or catty women-born-women abusing them emotionally, just healing and rehabilitation among their own people at last. That's what they want, right?
I'm reminded of that one comic where the woman sets up a date for her troon bestie with another charming "lady."
Then again a lot of trannies seem content with t4t so who knows, some might not mind. Does make me wonder how prison jurisdiction works out though, and if a centralized facility is the simplest option, or if maybe state prisons would have to just use wings or separate buildings to house trans-identified inmates.
I know you're joking, but I also think you're right. Couldn't they just delegate one appropriately-sized prison in the US for transwomen and bypass most of the current problems with troon inmates?
The pitch would be that everyone there understands the struggle and they can support each other. No brute male inmates or catty women-born-women abusing them emotionally, just healing and rehabilitation among their own people at last. That's what they want, right?
Of course you know that is not what they want, just like separate bathroom facilities is not what they want, nor a separate sports league. They want you to say they are women, act like they are women, and believe they are women (the last, as we've learned, is not optional).
Trans women should be housed in the male estate, because they are of course male, and if they would come to harm from other inmates, then they will need to be put with the "specialist" population within the male estate (pedophiles are the lowest on the prison pecking order and would be placed here too).
There are no trans men begging to go to the male estate (because they know they are women and so does the world), so there isn't a problem. They can go to the female estate.
And since wrong-sex hormones are not a medical need, neither group should get HRT at taxpayer expense while there.
I know you're joking, but I also think you're right. Couldn't they just delegate one appropriately-sized prison in the US for transwomen and bypass most of the current problems with troon inmates?
The pitch would be that everyone there understands the struggle and they can support each other. No brute male inmates or catty women-born-women abusing them emotionally, just healing and rehabilitation among their own people at last. That's what they want, right?
Does anyone even know why people just gave into this shit. Why western society in the span of 10 years just come to attempt these complete degenerates? Why was there no real push back? Why did normal people just took the concept of chopping dicks off and thought "yeah, nothing wrong with that." Did people just get dumber?
My schitzo take is that it’s because this is just a repackaged form of the same rampant old-world male-supremic misogyny that in the current western age is mostly bygonian but nonetheless has been going on for a long time.
Male transness--which I’m focusing on specifically for the sake of this argument because I think it is decidedly more prevalent and involved in the culture, and because I don’t think that the trans movement would have gained nearly as much traction or societal favor if women were the ones pioneering it--is grossly archaic in it’s practice.
The first tenet of old-world male-supremacist ideology is that men have an intrinsically affirmed and uncontestable selfhood (which their female counterparts lack). Under this rule the male mind is an indisputable force: whatever the self believes to be true must be true (a man sure that he is female--or rather that he has the right to be female--will not be convinced otherwise by anatomy, science, or truth). This arrogance has historically led men to do and take what they want in order to sustain this notion of self, including women. Male transness is a different form of taking, but functions in largely the same way and for the same purposes. In a modern world, a male who feels entitled to femininity understands that he may not physically rape a woman, or that he may not forcibly take a woman as his wife, and so when he cannot achieve what he thinks he deserves by natural means, the taking of the woman becomes more literal.
When these men take on womanhood, it is clear that this is the dicta in which they are acting under, because the expression is limited to the way that they see and understand being a woman. To them, the good woman is sensual, fuckable, naturally pornographic; in their eyes the carnality of woman is the defining quality of the woman. When you understand this it is no wonder why they act the way that they do.
They justify and maintain this pseudo-raping through violence and force against women (because the trans brigade does not have a collective male enemy).
It's not some well-kept secret. If you're a woman and you don't agree with them, they'll hurt you. If you do not let them take what they have decided is theirs to have, they might kill you. Whether or not there is validity in the threats is inconsequential, what is of consequence is that a man is the one making the threat. It is not ridiculous to take the threat seriously because it is not ridiculous that a man could hurt a woman (this is why pooners don’t use this rhetoric. They would not have a leg to stand on). In making the threat, the man understands what he is, and he does it because it is what he thinks men should be allowed to do. Is it any wonder that women are largely bowing down and making way for them? They’re either genuinely brainwashed by this shit or are too scared of violence and/or societal exile to say anything. Pooners just hopped on the men's coattails because they thought it was fun, and nobody can really tell them no if they’re telling the men yes. But let’s be honest, who really takes TiF’s seriously anyway?
As for normal men, I think in the grand scheme it is largely inconsequential to them. They don’t have a clear stake in it, and they don’t really have to play the game if they don’t want to, because what is an estrogen-addled male-failure going to do if a guy doesn’t respect his pronouns? Hit him? Men who do ride the trans wave are probably gay and get off on it, I don’t know. I can’t really speak for them.
It’s allowed to happen because it’s been happening forever. Larger society will hopefully come to their senses at some point and see it for what it is.
Everyone knows that there's a correlation between autism and trooning out. But I think there are some direct links.
I've noticed that autistic people do not have a gaydar, nor do they perceive certain actions as 'zesty' or effeminate, such as shaving one's legs or painting one's nails as a guy. Now, obviously, in and of themselves, those acts are not effeminate, we perceive them as effeminate due to their association with outward femininity (the appearance that women put on themselves). But autists simply see those acts at face value, they do not have a feeling telling them that they're gay. (Also, we call those acts gay because of the association of effeminate men with pederasty).
And I think that they see those acts at face value because they do not have a sense of masculinity (or femininity). This is why they troon out, they come to hate their own bodies and sex so easily because they do not even understand what it means to be a man. They then turn their bodies into an idol of feminity (and I really mean idol, as in taking something abstract and making a physical representation out of it), generally because of autogynephilia.
Now, I wouldn't define masculinity or femininity as some specific set of traits. I would not say that it being protective and courageous are masculine traits, and neither would I say that being caring and nurturing are feminine traits. Sure, men are generally more apt for being protective and corageous, and women are generally more apt at being caring and nurturing, but those 2 facts are irrelevant. I really wouldn't know how to define those, though. I think they're innate to neurotypical people.
It's 4am right now and this post is really just more of a collection of thoughts than one proper idea or system of ideas. I was also gonna bring up military ads and how they invoke a very specific feeling which I would say procedes from a man's masculinity, even if one opposes serving. I hope at least some of what I said made sense THOUGH
They justify and maintain this pseudo-raping through violence and force against women (because the trans brigade does not have a collective male enemy).
What about those transteens and kids? Do you really thing they are living some mysoginist power trip or are they victims of mysogynist men who aren't even trannys themselvs? All this castration stuff very much seems like a male power fantasy and it is actual sexual violence enacted upon, albeit, willing victims. What about the doctors and other clinicians who actually cut 20 something men up? I don't know but these kids seem to be desperate to fit in, more than they seem like men wanting to become their own object of desire or whatever exactly you meant there. Men have been actually enslaving and castrating little boys and young men they found "attractive" for aeons. Just like they have been enslaving and mauling women. Those guys, who do this to "weaker" men, are the issue - they are never trans themselves. This stuff happened in Byzantium, the Ottoman and the late Roman empire and continued well into the renaissance with those opera singer castrates from catholic orphanages. I don't know... You seem to completely ignore that and I'm not saying you're wrong: that game-stop "it's mam" -nutcase and movie villains could be explained with your take, I guess.
Tho, I agree, turning a man into a transgender IS raping the female form.
It's defiling the male form while mocking the female one.
Reducing the meaning of "woman" to person without penis.
What about those transteens and kids? Do you really thing they are living some mysoginist power trip or are they victims of mysogynist men who aren't even trannys themselvs?
I didn’t bring up trans kids because the pioneering of the trans movement is not the fault of trans kids--rather they are victims to it. Trans ideologies prey upon the vulnerability that comes with youth. It’s effectiveness is a consequence of teens feeling estranged from their peers, misunderstood by their parents and simultaneously unsure of themselves and their place in society. They are told they are unsure of themselves because they are not themselves, feel othered because they are uniquely other, and are presented with an easy, catch-all solution, as well as a plan of action that--if performed fully and correctly--they will come out happy on the other side of. I don’t blame the kids.
The nefarity of this rhetoric is that of course there is no other side, and so often these kids end up ashamed of themselves, confused as to why it isn’t working like everyone said it would, and more vulnerable and scared than if they had gone through the normal coming-of-age cycle. They have no one to turn to besides their trans community, because who else could understand? It’s a gross indoctrination ritual, which certainly has to do with sexual perversion and predation, but I also think there is an interesting idea about trans persons attempting their hands at a sort of pseudo-procreation--and in garnering the respect, power, and admiration that comes with rearing a progeny--in the only way that they can, which is becoming trans mama and papa to a bunch of confused trans babies, but I don’t really have all of my thoughts parsed out on that.
Transness has spread like a cancer and with that has become an extremely multifaceted issue, and as of current the trans movement is abled my misinformation, exploitation of societal empathy, and pressure towards collective conformity. Not every person who is pro-trans is operating under the circumstances I outlined above, but the idea of transness was only able to spread and gain favor because it was being forced by people who have societal power as men. Women and children did not spearhead transness, and couldn’t have.
Men have been actually enslaving and castrating little boys and young men they found "attractive" for aeons. Just like they have been enslaving and mauling women. Those guys, who do this to "weaker" men, are the issue - they are never trans themselves.
It’s not that I ignored this type of violence, it’s just not what I was talking about. I certainly don’t mean to say that the only bad men there have ever been are trans men, rather that trans men are a unique subset of the modern male which detest their own manhood because they do not feel adequately served by it, and in their repulsion and action against said manhood they are ironically and uniquely abled by it.
I also think that it is a noteworthy idea that misogyny is not entirely separate from male dominion and aggression toward children. While misogyny is exclusive to women by definition, it is not unfounded that a man who sees women as his to dominate would not extend those violent compulsions toward the productions of womanhood. The powerlessness to which females as a class are consigned is not entirely unrelated to the powerlessness that children experience under violent men.
Yeah after reading all the replies and stuff, you people are right. I get immature and think "ah fuck women are so cruel" when really I just feel like its the constant prevalence of handmaidens in my life - and in troon idealogy- that brings me down. It's seen in society everywhere, it's really a mind disease that directed toward women. But I don't know if men have their own form of handmaidenism they have to worry about, or what their version of male socialized diseases would be. Soyboyism?
I can't understand it on a biological level, if considering nature as a whole as usually the females in nature are the dominant ones who stick with other females for their own protection. How we can go from that to enabling histrionic fags and gamps, the weakest types of men, into being dominant is crazy.
I know the "tides are turning" but the damage is still done, and in general handmaidenism won't leave. It's been consistent throughout human history.
Do you think there will be a breaking point for troons or do you think we will forget about all this and act like it never happened like society seemingly does with every goverment-aided epidemic like obesity and the opiod crisis? Do you think that will also reach a breaking point, like people finally putting their foot down the next time something crazy like this pops up?
What would be the next crazy thing, anyways? How can you beat obesity, opioids, transgenderism, and a pandemic lockdown? What's the next psyop?
Only time will tell! Part of me thinks we won't be prepared for it at all, though. Trans used to be this innocuous weird drag subculture. It wasn't seen as harmful since we all bought into the idea that they're just a bunch of harmless weirdos who are most likely only interested in the same sex, anyway, thus no danger towards women. I wonder if there's going to be another group like this in the future?
I'm want to pose a question to everyone in here since I'm curious how effective of a mediator this solution is:
How would you all feel if there was a federal mandate forcing all private and public health insurance to 100% cover HRT for anyone, including trannies, with the stipulation that in order for a tranny to be federally recognized as the gender they want, they must undergo HRT treatment?
I operate under the (somewhat) educated assumption that depriving mtf trannies of the excuse that HRT isn't financially viable for them will quickly weed out the AGP fetishists and leave those who suffer the actual "condition". Quotes there because nobody even in the upper echelons of trans research understands what the fuck predicates the gender dysphoria if it's genuine in an individual. There's just hypothesis after hypothesis.
I also huff some level of hopium thinking depriving those people of Test will potentially neuter any depraved desires they might have towards women even if their condition appears genuine.
How would you all feel if there was a federal mandate forcing all private and public health insurance to 100% cover HRT for anyone, including trannies, with the stipulation that in order for a tranny to be federally recognized as the gender they want, they must undergo HRT treatment?
Well no not really. My personal issue with trannies isn’t that I think they’re faking it. Besides the fact that they’re attempting to co-opt and make a mockery of womanhood, trannies who peddle needless HRT as the wonder-drug of life saving and affirming healthcare are effectively infertilizing themselves and the children that believe them. Also, it doesn’t stop at HRT. It doesn’t really ever stop.
Listen though I’ve gotta go, I’m late for my federally mandated bone-annihilation therapy. They’re going to reshape me and then I’ll finally be clean.
