Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[Cryin RN]

Your friend is awesome. Estrogen can have serious side-effects even in cis women and the emotional lability, in particular, is a really bad additive to pre-existing mental disorders such as major depression which IIRC at least 60% of transitioners experience. His advice was spot on.

But training TLL volunteers to know that would take $$ away from Greta's RV fund so they've never heard it.

 

[The Queen of Trash]

The TLL operator started off by basically saying "Yeah, HRT sucks for a while, but you gotta just tough it out." and explained that "The hospital isn't an option unless you want them to lock you up in a mental ward" and encouraged him to "Google up some free clinics in the area. They're usually pretty good"

My friend gave obviously fake agreement to do this and the operator said "See? You're gonna be fine", before suggesting he eat something and watch some TV to calm down, told him to have a good day, and basically waited for him to hang up.

You don't fucking tell someone who is contemplating suicide the equivalent of "lol calm down." Also, sometimes people need to go to a psych ward if they're suicidal. It sucks, but doctors who studied this shit is way more equipped.

The fact that TLL is ridiculously against going to the hospital because of "misgendering" really fucking infuriates me.

 

[dacote]

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trans...stav-kjel-anderson.23222/page-70#post-1821124

Thanks, anything on the 2nd?

 

[multiverse]

I suspect you're right. I heavily suspect they already know of TLL and quietly ridicule them to an extent, but they probably don't know as much as we do.

Even according to their own Annual Report, they're unable to get accreditation from the American Association of Suicidality (the governing body that demonstrates proof of an organization's legitimacy) due to their paranoid decision to not call first responders.

And what's their plan to deal with this lack or accreditation? Why, to have the rules changed to suit their purposes of course. It's the standards of a legitimate governing body , not the hysterical troonery, that must be changed, according to Greta. Great strategy. I'm sure the medical community will bow to your caterwauling. Christ, they really think that tumblr politics is going to convince reality to match their delusions.

 

[Echo_Ender]

Your friend is awesome. Estrogen can have serious side-effects even in cis women and the emotional lability, in particular, is a really bad additive to pre-existing mental disorders such as major depression which IIRC at least 60% of transitioners experience. His advice was spot on.

But training TLL volunteers to know that would take $$ away from Greta's RV fund so they've never heard it.

Yeah, he had a relative get bad advice from a poorly-trained operator and die. The relative was having a bad reaction to new meds, and an operator told the relative to stop the meds cold-turkey and see if they felt better off the meds.

That's something you absolutely DO NOT do unless a doc tells you to, so the relative ended up becoming erratic and taking their own life a few days later.

It inspired my friend to become a psych major and do a lot of volunteering. He gets pretty intense about this kinda stuff, but doesn't wanna rock the boat and have people like Phil or Greta REEEEEE and potentially affect his future.

 

[m0rnutz]

Yeah, he had a relative get bad advice from a poorly-trained operator and die. The relative was having a bad reaction to new meds, and an operator told the relative to stop the meds cold-turkey and see if they felt better off the meds.

That's something you absolutely DO NOT do unless a doc tells you to, so the relative ended up becoming erratic and taking their own life a few days later.

It inspired my friend to become a psych major and do a lot of volunteering. He gets pretty intense about this kinda stuff, but doesn't wanna rock the boat and have people like Phil or Greta REEEEEE and potentially affect his future.

Power level a bit, this is why my friend hanged herself too. People told her doctors lied, and made her question her identity until her already mildly psychotic brain made her shut down.

A lot of what TLL advises isn't because of fact, evidence, license, or whatever. They think cops are brutal savage killers, and don't want you to ever call them for help. They don't like doctors telling them why they shouldn't be prescribed hormones, so they tell you binding and OTC meds are okay. They don't understand the severity of how dropping medication suddenly can threaten you.

Ex: More Power level, but I said before in posts that I have OCD and depression both. Sometimes I've been so busy with life that I forget to take my meds for more than 1-2 weeks. I can tell when the effects set in, because I become more anxious, suicidal, monotonous, and sleep way longer than I should.

When I get back on the meds, I'm a different person. I have a drive. I'm not constantly paranoid that something is out of place. That's exactly why I'm prescribed what I have.

I really wish he would disclose what operator he received that advice from. That is both unprofessional and life threatening to an already unstable caller.

we are currently ineligible for accreditation from the American Association of Suicidology

Imagine that, the one and only trans-exclusive hotline that prides themselves over the calls they take and the "lives" they "save" aren't even a formally accredited service with legibility for their services.

And yet people call them, people aren't getting better, and people are dying.

 

[repentance]

But training TLL volunteers to know that would take $$ away from Greta's RV fund so they've never heard it.

Their "training manual" is pretty much just a manifesto.

Training volunteers to give medical advice is risky, but you should be training them to ask appropriate questions so that they can refer callers to appropriate medical help when necessary. It's possible to do that without calling authorities against their will.

It's beyond unethical to actively discourage people from seeking medical assistance. Someone who is feeling suicidal after taking a new medication of any kind (not just psych meds) needs urgent medical review. You don't tell someone in that situation to "tough it out" - especially if you have no idea of the resources immediately available to them. The choices are not active rescue or do nothing at all.

One choice in that scenario is to initiate a 3 way call with a 24 hours psych service (Chicago has at least one which is specifically for LBGT people). That way your caller can get appropriate medical advice from a qualified professional without exposing their own number and with you on the line to facilitate the discussion and advocate for them. That professional advice can guide you in the next appropriate step.

Imagine that, the one and only trans-exclusive hotline that prides themselves over the calls they take and the "lives" they "save" aren't even a formally accredited service with legibility for their services.

They imply that the only reason they're not accredited is because they don't practise active rescue. In fact they don't meet *any* of the criteria for accreditation. A legitimate organisation philosophically opposed to active rescue would still aim to meet all the other nationally agreed standards - they don't (especially not on their training).

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Just my two cents on Greta's (and similar troon's) most recent meltdown.

I think these people, and I use that term very loosely, just want any excuse possible to not have to reflect on themselves. If they didn't invent this Trans underground railroad nonsense, they might actually have to look at their lives and realize that they have no jobs, shitty friends, and a shitty overall life. I think in Greta's case, there might even be a subconscious fear of being caught as a worthless con artist. By inventing these problems it gives them something to focus on, and they can feel like they're making great strives and being good people, while in reality they are doing absolutely nothing and addressing issues that aren't real threats.

They want instant gratification and don't want to actually put forth any effort or, you know, work. If Greta actually gave a shit about the trans community she could run a real helpline. Her troon friends could volunteer their instead of asspatting one another on Facebook for coming up with some underground railroad idea that they don't need and will never even put the effort into. Like others have said, they really aren't part of the Trans community. They're just part of their own sick twisted circle where they jerk each other off and encourage this negative thinking. Actual people in the Trans community go out and do shit to try and improve the lives of people in the community. They don't have time for asspats on twitter and FB because they actually have shit to do. And it takes a long time, and a whole lot of effort, and in the end they will probably fall or barely get any attention. It's just the way these things tend to go.

As far as Greta and Nina's relationship goes...eh, I think some people are thinking too deeply on it. A lot of people in their shitscum community have that high school mentality of relationships, where they just want to be with someone and not actually care about who. I don't think Greta regrets the relationship or anything. I honestly think she is just that fucking lazy/afraid of past child support that she did fuck all to help Nina with her papers. Again, actually doing stuff for them takes effort, and doing stuff takes away from precious FB and roadtrip time.

 

[Picklechu]

Trump doesn't need to round up all the troons and put them in camps. Greta's going to do it.

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Have fun with your police-free commune of troons who have no income and no life skills, Greta.

Mass suicide when?

Charles Manson and Jim Jones would be proud.

I kind of want to see this happen, just to see how fucked up it would be. I'd give them less than 6 months before everyone runs away or turns to cannibalism.

 

[keksz]

Charles Manson and Jim Jones would be proud.

It would certainly be interesting (and perhaps horrific) to watch how this would unfold in the age of social media - especially considering it would be exclusively made out of highly unstable people, judging from the people Greta seems to surround herself with and also every one of them being an attention monger who would be more than diligent in keeping the outside world updated via Twitter and Facebook, no matter how inappropriate the commune was.

The mere fact that they think there's going to be a stasi working full-time against troons once Trump assumes the presidency is more than enough evidence against any sanity these troons may have. lol calm down no one cares about you.

 

[Picklechu]

The mere fact that they think there's going to be a stasi working full-time against troons once Trump assumes the presidency is more than enough evidence against any sanity these troons may have. lol calm down no one cares about you.

Trump was for gay marriage before Obama or the Clintons. He left the Reform Party in part because of the anti-LGBT stances of Pat Buchanan et al. He won North Carolina while the Republican governor simultaneously lost his reelection race, in part, because of the "bathroom bill." He's basically an old-school Democrat, only more socially progressive.

 

[repentance]

It would certainly be interesting (and perhaps horrific) to watch how this would unfold in the age of social media - especially considering it would be exclusively made out of highly unstable people, judging from the people Greta seems to surround herself with and also every one of them being an attention monger who would be more than diligent in keeping the outside world updated via Twitter and Facebook, no matter how inappropriate the commune was.

As if these idiots would be capable of organising food, power, sewerage and water, let alone internet access in a remote area. It's not like a heap of poor people can afford to pay for satellite internet to share.

 

[keksz]

Greta raised 10k in 24 hours just days ago. Don't underestimate the power an entire commune of troons would have to beg for money.

Also, there are several of those cult ranches throughout the United States and elsewhere at any given point in time and they have established methods of getting all the money they need - mostly by convincing people that living there is some form or paradise on Earth and getting the victims to empty their entire savings in donation before moving there. It's been done before and will keep happening whether you believe it or not.

As for water, power and sewage - well there's enough people living or owning property on well-developed rural areas. All it takes is for one of them to offer it up as Troontown HQ and all of that is instantly taken care of. As for food, well, troons already manage to eat every day, right? it can't be that hard to make trips to a nearby market and stock up, like most people living in rural areas do.

 

[Guy Smiley]

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Have fun with your police-free commune of troons who have no income and no life skills, Greta.

Mass suicide when?

Sure, she's a modern-day Moses. That's how that story went, right?

"And Moses said unto Pharoh, 'REEEEEEEE! CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE, SHIT-LORD!'"

 

[repentance]

As for water, power and sewage - well there's enough people living or owning property on well-developed rural areas. All it takes is for one of them to offer it up as Troontown HQ and all of that is instantly taken care of. As for food, well, troons already manage to eat every day, right? it can't be that hard to make trips to a nearby market and stock up, like most people living in rural areas do.

They can't live in well-developed rural areas. The entire point of the operation is to set up a "sanctuary" for poor trans people in red states who are at risk of being deported and who cannot afford to relocate to sanctuary cities. Many will have no incomes at all, and just as many will be unable/unwilling to contribute physical labour. Any kind of permanent facilities just give ICE a location to target. They may even expose those involved in organising those facilities to legal charges.

While the intention is that people be there "short-term", places need to be found for them to go - they will still be illegal, and therefore likely to be poor, in their new locations.

The logistics are extremely complicated, despite Greta hand-waving them away, and it's not something which can be done on a budget of a few thousand dollars. Nor is it something for which you can publicly fundraise.

 

[GS 281]

They can't live in well-developed rural areas. The entire point of the operation is to set up a "sanctuary" for poor trans people in red states who are at risk of being deported and who cannot afford to relocate to sanctuary cities. Many will have no incomes at all, and just as many will be unable/unwilling to contribute physical labour. Any kind of permanent facilities just give ICE a location to target. They may even expose those involved in organising those facilities to legal charges.

While the intention is that people be there "short-term", places need to be found for them to go - they will still be illegal, and therefore likely to be poor, in their new locations.

The logistics are extremely complicated, despite Greta hand-waving them away, and it's not something which can be done on a budget of a few thousand dollars. Nor is it something for which you can publicly fundraise.

Also, consider the fact that Greta is the guy who runs a suicide prevention line that only answers 6.6% of the time. I don't think Greta sould be trusted with the development of Troonsylvania

 

[Cthulu]

Have fun with your police-free commune of troons who have no income and no life skills, Greta.

Mass suicide when

lmfao

 

[RP 520]

They can't live in well-developed rural areas. The entire point of the operation is to set up a "sanctuary" for poor trans people in red states who are at risk of being deported and who cannot afford to relocate to sanctuary cities. Many will have no incomes at all, and just as many will be unable/unwilling to contribute physical labour. Any kind of permanent facilities just give ICE a location to target. They may even expose those involved in organising those facilities to legal charges.

While the intention is that people be there "short-term", places need to be found for them to go - they will still be illegal, and therefore likely to be poor, in their new locations.

The logistics are extremely complicated, despite Greta hand-waving them away, and it's not something which can be done on a budget of a few thousand dollars. Nor is it something for which you can publicly fundraise.

To sum it up Greta would be running a human trafficking operation.

 

[multiverse]

Many will have no incomes at all, and just as many will be unable/unwilling to contribute physical labour.

Someone brings this very thing up - in a different way, but they recognize that they'd be without their meds and that a society peopled entirely by people who leech off others might not be a workable plan. Of course Greta gets huffy and says SHE suffers all these things, thankyouverymuch, and that proves... something.

Someone brings up the fact that this shit sounds very paranoid. And Phil doesn't understand that they're making an awkward joke, because autism.

 

[repentance]

To sum it up Greta would be running a human trafficking operation.

It would probably count as some form of people smuggling.

The kind of network she's talking about has existed for decades for battered women fleeing domestic violence, and it's really, really hard to maintain secrecy over even relatively short periods - and it's not illegal for women to flee domestic violence or to help them do so.

Practicalities aside, Greta is just feeding paranoia - as we saw her do prior to the election. Her personal power trip seems to revolve around making people fearful and then offering herself as the antidote to the fear she created.