Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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80% of it's value in depreciation in just almost 1 year:
To be fair a few percent of that was due to the company going out of business. Of course when a normal car company goes out of business you're not screwed but when 95% of your car is powered by buggy software then you're pretty much totally screwed.
 
And as expected, Chinese EV companies are dropping like flies, with the EV gravy train drying up:


I wonder how in the world NIO and Xpeng haven't imploded yet, since they're making huge losses, and Xiaomi is still losing tons of money with each SU7 sold. The fact that NIO and Xpeng even made deals to get their cars added to Forza Horizon 5 years ago, showed how much money from Chinese subsidies they had to burn.
 
My high beams are lower than their low beams. It's not just Teslas, but basically all new cars now with horrible super bright LED headlights. I think the NHTSA regulations basically say you can have ∞ lumens as long as it's below a certain angle. Doesn't help when roads are bumpy and headlights might be misaligned.
From a walk the other night. Tesla in front, car with older headlights behind.
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the F150 kit looks neat. but it would be nice to have a kit where say if you have a van you want to be a truck you can swap out the cab for a shorter one with a box, and you could convert your sedan to a station wagon or lift it and make it a ute.

Though I suppose it's hard to with current safety standards. unless you're a massive corporation that paid the inspector off you can't get a custom car accepted. Even rebuilt need to have the panel with the original VIN on it even if everything else was replaced.

You sort of could do this in the 90's, although it's kind of a pain in the ass. Having done this once several years ago, I think I didn't need to do much if any modification to drop a Suburban body onto the right length K1500 truck frame (mostly because I was combining parts of wrecked shit -- destroyed K1500 cab and some mongoloid cutting on the frame for the Suburban prior to me owning it). At some point around 08 or so, the Suburban and GM's trucks diverged enough that they no longer rode on the same frame and had much less parts interchange (why they did this I have no idea). I'm pretty sure you can do similar things with S10s and Blazers, 4runners and Tacomas and maybe the Excursions and F150 or F250? and getting a decent body from the junkyard or Copart isn't that hard or expensive.

I kind of understand why the manufacturers have moved away from body on frame for certain applications, but it's extremely niggerlicious to have a truck or SUV without a body on frame setup (and it's part of how I know retards with Honda Ridgelines, Ford Mavericks or Cybertrucks are not serious people), as it's possible and common with real trucks to swap out at least the bed to accommodate different needs. The disappearance of good smaller body on frame chassis like the Panther, Ranger and S10 mean that while you could do what you're suggesting not that long ago, some chicken nugget scoon poindexter engineer and the bean counters have said no more.

That all said, most states will let you (if you look carefully enough) register kit and home built cars without needing to spend a lot of time and money and do insane shit like send a bunch of them for NHSTA destructive testing, even the retarded increasingly communist shithole I currently live in, and will even let you generate a new VIN for your one-off (which is how the factory five kits end up working). I keep thinking about doing this, as for an increasing number of cars (especially the shit boomers like, such as a 32 Ford, Trifive Chevy, old CJs, etc.) you can basically build an entire car with exactly zero original parts, and register it that way, or just do something totally custom. You can still start with an S10 or Blazer chassis (and retain its VIN and title) and build what you want (speaking from experience), it's just a lot of work sometimes. In more lenient states and locales, you would be amazed what sort of shit the right county clerk and sheriff will let you get away with registering, including "rebuilds". A very unscrupulous bunch of eastern Euros (probably gypsies that got lost and wound up in the states) that lived near where I did I swear to god would buy totally burned down vehicles from crash sales, probably steal the same model from somewhere, and then weld a new VIN plate on the stolen vehicle that matched the totally destroyed pile they bought for pennies, and were able to sell and register them and I guess the government just did not give a fat fuck. God knows I used to register a lot of funny looking frankensteined and custom shit for fun that was "rebuilt" from the crash sales, I just had to promise my friends down at the county services that I wasn't going to foist it onto some unsuspecting retard.

And as expected, Chinese EV companies are dropping like flies, with the EV gravy train drying up:


I wonder how in the world NIO and Xpeng haven't imploded yet, since they're making huge losses, and Xiaomi is still losing tons of money with each SU7 sold. The fact that NIO and Xpeng even made deals to get their cars added to Forza Horizon 5 years ago, showed how much money from Chinese subsidies they had to burn.

For as much as a lot of people like jerking off BYD and all of the other chinkshit EV manufacturers, I presume the CCP is going to get tired of bankrolling all of these to dump EVs on every market, and there's going to be a lot of unhappy people with cars that are falling apart and have exactly zero parts availability after the manufacturers fold. I think we'll find that unless someone somewhere is profusely bleeding money and/or using outright slave labor, EVs will never be "cheap."
 
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For as much as a lot of people like jerking off BYD and all of the other chinkshit EV manufacturers, I presume the CCP is going to get tired of bankrolling all of these to dump EVs on every market, and there's going to be a lot of unhappy people with cars that are falling apart and have exactly zero parts availability after the manufacturers fold. I think we'll find that unless someone somewhere is profusely bleeding money and/or using outright slave labor, EVs will never be "cheap."
As I've said before in this thread, EVs are a failure in China and are only bought because of subsidies and patriotism. All of their manufacturers are currently transitioning to building series hybrids, which are better than EVs in every way because they have the same "charging" times and range as a gas car. Series hybrids only need the engine to act as a generator, so it can be much smaller and less complex than an engine that is expected to drive the wheels (if you don't care about sustained power output).

The ONLY reason why China invested in EVs in the first place is because the CCP wants Chinese people to drive Chinese-made cars and it is very difficult to design a competitive modern internal combustion engine. China has been unable to manufacture one, but they had no problem building electric motors due to their simplicity. Musk was also a naive fool who handed them a battery factory on a silver platter so he could sell his cars in their country. The tablet interior is far from the only thing that Chinese EVs stole from Tesla. Ever noticed that the shills saying that Chinese cars are way more advanced than Western cars never mention what features the Chinese cars have that Western cars don't?

Internal combustion engines aren't the only basic product that China struggles to build. They were also unable to manufacturer ballpoint pens until very recently because they were unable to make bearings to the tolerance required so that the ball could spin freely without leaking ink. They're also unable to manufacture jet engines; their fighter engines are sourced from Soviet Russia and their airliner engines are bought from General Electric.
 
Internal combustion engines aren't the only basic product that China struggles to build. They were also unable to manufacturer ballpoint pens until very recently because they were unable to make bearings to the tolerance required so that the ball could spin freely without leaking ink. They're also unable to manufacture jet engines; their fighter engines are sourced from Soviet Russia and their airliner engines are bought from General Electric.
Nearly everything I have has 'made in China' on the back, and yet you expect us to believe your horseshit?
 
Nearly everything I have has 'made in China' on the back, and yet you expect us to believe your horseshit?
Nearly everything you have that says "made in china" is built using the cheapest materials and to the lowest tolerances, and is likely to fall apart in a couple of years.
 
Nearly everything you have that says "made in china" is built using the cheapest materials and to the lowest tolerances, and is likely to fall apart in a couple of years.
Like my iPhone? My Roborock that's been going strong for ages? the Philips lighting I have all over my home which has been going strong for years? The tablet I use? My Kindle? My 3D printer?
 
Like my iPhone? My Roborock that's been going strong for ages? the Philips lighting I have all over my home which has been going strong for years? The tablet I use? My Kindle? My 3D printer?
The only part of your phone that comes from china is the battery. The rest comes from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, and even the United States. Same for your tablet and kindle.

And if you can't understand the difference between electronics (which I won't deny China is very good at in general) and the high precision engineering and materials science required to manufacture a jet engine (an area in which China consistently fails to maintain consistency and reliability), then I can only hope you don't have anything too sharp in the house, because you might stab yourself in the ear after mistaking it for your phone.
 
The only part of your phone that comes from china is the battery. The rest comes from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, and even the United States. Same for your tablet and kindle.

And if you can't understand the difference between electronics (which I won't deny China is very good at in general) and the high precision engineering and materials science required to manufacture a jet engine (an area in which China consistently fails to maintain consistency and reliability), then I can only hope you don't have anything too sharp in the house, because you might stab yourself in the ear after mistaking it for your phone.
What happened to you this morning? Too much curry? Benefits didn’t come through?
 
The only part of your phone that comes from china is the battery. The rest comes from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, and even the United States. Same for your tablet and kindle.

And if you can't understand the difference between electronics (which I won't deny China is very good at in general) and the high precision engineering and materials science required to manufacture a jet engine (an area in which China consistently fails to maintain consistency and reliability), then I can only hope you don't have anything too sharp in the house, because you might stab yourself in the ear after mistaking it for your phone.
This is part of the reason China wants Taiwan so badly. TSMC is far ahead of China. China can take the advanced components and assemble them but they're still shit at making them and the equipment necessary to make them. Yields on smaller process sizes in China are garbage and it's unlikely to improve any time soon unless they somehow get access to newer western fab equipment, or take over Taiwan.
 
As I've said before in this thread, EVs are a failure in China and are only bought because of subsidies and patriotism. All of their manufacturers are currently transitioning to building series hybrids, which are better than EVs in every way because they have the same "charging" times and range as a gas car. Series hybrids only need the engine to act as a generator, so it can be much smaller and less complex than an engine that is expected to drive the wheels (if you don't care about sustained power output).
What I don't get is why all the manufactures didn't do this in the first place. Series hybrids make a lot more sense, and are much cheaper to make and sell cars. I wish we would see more series hybrids in North America. Maybe in a couple years? Car manufacturers are just chasing trends right now and refuse to acknowledge the practicalities of a series hybrid.
 
Musk should be proud. Its a rare person who can claim to have created an entire market but an even rarer person who can claim to have both created and as of now seemingly killing one since the shitlibs who drove the EV market suddenly don't care about 'saving the earth' any longer since Rocket Man bad.
 
Musk should be proud. Its a rare person who can claim to have created an entire market but an even rarer person who can claim to have both created and as of now seemingly killing one since the shitlibs who drove the EV market suddenly don't care about 'saving the earth' any longer since Rocket Man bad.
What's hilarious is that virtually every major car manufacturer pivoted their entire product line on this fad, and this fad was enshrined into law.
 
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